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quote:'The richest people in Britain have had an astonishing year', says rich list compiler' http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/may/18/sunday-times-rich-list Hurray for neo-feudalism, may our owners one day trickle down their generosity upon us.
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A rising tide lifts all boats! Hope you peasants are up to date on your yacht payments
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May 18, 2014 10:04
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Cerv posted:Haha. Not true in the cast majority if cases. Is it only severe data losses that cause this? I might have mis-remembered the stats.
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May 18, 2014 10:12
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QuantumCrayons posted:Is it only severe data losses that cause this? I might have mis-remembered the stats. Loss as in data is gone and totally unrecoverable? Yeah, possibly, but there's a huge selection bias there because the kind of business that has so poor a backup process is going to be on the ragged edge long before the loss. Loss as in backup left on a train/bad guys steal everything? Nah. Target, in the US, have just suffered probably the biggest hack in the history of retail, with cc details for every single customer over at least a month (including Christmas shopping!) cloned. Their sales numbers didn't even take a dent and the share price was back to normal within a month.
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May 18, 2014 11:40
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Loss as in data is gone and totally unrecoverable? Yeah, possibly, but there's a huge selection bias there because the kind of business that has so poor a backup process is going to be on the ragged edge long before the loss. Solely based on unrecoverable data loss e.g. failure or loss of backups too. I'll try and find the paper(s) I read on it. I don't quite agree with the selection bias, since a company's ability to understand the importance of (or possible critical downside of not) backing up doesn't necessarily impact their ability to work within their specialised sector. Often it's as simple as the higher ups in the company not seeing IT as important as another department.
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May 18, 2014 11:55
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IIRC spotify have 'lost' their entire user database twice to hackers, still refuse to encrypt passwords, and yet are still in business 
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May 18, 2014 12:12
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Not sure if you can describe it as being 'in business' really as it has never made a profit in its 8 year history.
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May 18, 2014 12:22
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QuantumCrayons posted:Solely based on unrecoverable data loss e.g. failure or loss of backups too. I'll try and find the paper(s) I read on it. I don't quite agree with the selection bias, since a company's ability to understand the importance of (or possible critical downside of not) backing up doesn't necessarily impact their ability to work within their specialised sector. Often it's as simple as the higher ups in the company not seeing IT as important as another department. A higher-up dumb enough to not realise their company will go under for the sake of the price of a tape drive is a higher-up who's fairly unlikely to understand other concepts like "fire insurance", "paying rent", and "not betting the whole takings on the Grand National". The data loss is just the straw that broke the camels back. (It also ignores the circumstances of the loss - I'm certain my company would go under if we lost all of our data but that's because, with our backup policies, this would require three cities in two countries to be wiped off the map and/or some phenomenon capable of destroying data on hard drives and tapes, including both in offline secure storage - something that would probably basically mean the end of human life as we know it, which would tend to impact on the bottom line. On a slightly smaller scale, a small company with only on-site backups could lose all its data in a fire, and would go out of business as a result, but that would be more to do with the fact that they'd also lost all their stock, tools, assets and maybe even staff)
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goddamnedtwisto posted:A higher-up dumb enough to not realise their company will go under for the sake of the price of a tape drive is a higher-up who's fairly unlikely to understand other concepts like "fire insurance", "paying rent", and "not betting the whole takings on the Grand National". The data loss is just the straw that broke the camels back. It's less "didn't back up at all" and more "didn't test backups and they've failed for two weeks running, we have horribly outdated information". A whole load of companies just backup and never bother to attempt a recovery test and come back in however long to find it's useless. That said, I suppose you're correct: companies with a poorer understanding of backup safety probably do have a poorer understanding of general contingency planning.
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May 18, 2014 12:48
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QuantumCrayons posted:It's less "didn't back up at all" and more "didn't test backups and they've failed for two weeks running, we have horribly outdated information". A whole load of companies just backup and never bother to attempt a recovery test and come back in however long to find it's useless. We had that happen at ICI once, only it was closer to 3 months of non-backup (some of it due to bad tapes, most due to the backup guy not being arsed to do his job). It was just before I left, so I'm not 100% sure what happened in the end, but there was talk of paying £500k for a disk recovery service being thrown around - the backups were our historical source code for ~15years of product development, our front-line source code was safe, but a few of our clients depended on us maintaining older versions for them too.
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May 18, 2014 12:54
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I wonder if its just coincidence that channel 4 is currently showing the Simpsons EP Sideshow Bob Roberts ahead of Thursday?
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May 18, 2014 15:20
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Haven't seen this in the British press yet- Farage associating with some properly bad men in Belfast the other week.
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May 18, 2014 17:49
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Filboid Studge posted:Haven't seen this in the British press yet- Farage associating with some properly bad men in Belfast the other week. What Englishman in their right minds gets involved in politics in NI without some very serious, very capable analysts checking absolutely everything you're planning on doing, everywhere you're planning on going and everyone you're planning on meeting on or off camera, but most certainly on camera? I mean, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to NI, but I do know enough that I'd rather start a land war in Asia and go against a Sicilian when death is on the line simultaneously than step into NI's complicated business. Of course, this is entirely based on the idea that Farage just blundered his way in Belfast. gently caress him if it was all intentional.
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HortonNash posted:What Englishman in their right minds really loving stupid ones?
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The connection will be through Britain First and the BNP (through Jim 'Alice' Dowson) I'd say. It would be very, very strange for that meeting to have happened accidentally. Genuinely stunned that there's no media coverage. These are the men who paralysed Belfast last year and are doing all they can to destabilise the peace process. It's no different to palling around with dissident Republicans. Filboid Studge fucked around with this message at 19:28 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 19:23
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SybilVimes posted:IIRC spotify have 'lost' their entire user database twice to hackers, still refuse to encrypt passwords, and yet are still in business
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May 18, 2014 19:27
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Zephro posted:Tell me they at least hash your credit card details? They claim PCI compliance, but there are ways of being PCI compliant without encrypting the card data. AFAIK they've stated that the breaches did NOT compromise the CC data, I'm not sure I believe them.
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SybilVimes posted:They claim PCI compliance, but there are ways of being PCI compliant without encrypting the card data. AFAIK they've stated that the breaches did NOT compromise the CC data, I'm not sure I believe them.
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quote:A police chief has said more than half of his force's armed officers could stop carrying weapons because of plans by the police watchdog to ban them from conferring with each other as they write up statements following a shooting. Well boo loving hoo. How will we possibly cope with fewer armed police. Think of all the Brazilians and poor kids that won't get shot. Source Pork Pie Hat fucked around with this message at 19:48 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 19:44
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Well boo loving hoo. How will we possibly cope with fewer armed police. Think of all the Brazilians and poor kids that won't get shot. this is the best news I've had all week and I'm outright laughing that this absolute piece of poo poo somehow thinks the mass riots over his murdering vigilantes are a "small minority" London burned thanks to them and they're crying that they won't be allowed to collude. They honestly think "no comment" answers will be acceptable in criminal proceedings. The arrogance is incredible.
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May 18, 2014 19:54
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Spangly A posted:this is the best news I've had all week and I'm outright laughing that this absolute piece of poo poo somehow thinks the mass riots over his murdering vigilantes are a "small minority" It's especially fortunate that the Police have shown themselves above collusion recently, I mean, just ask Andrew Mitchell if you want the opinion of an old white dude.
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Playing devil's advocate a second, is there any research that points to memory and accurate recollection of events improving after 48 hours, when the subject has undergone extreme stress or is in a state of shock? I know memory goes to pot very rapidly after the event, but I didn't want to just assume that holds for extreme situations where decompressing might actually help. (I'm guessing it still makes things worse)
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If I was the IPCC, I'd ratchet things up by suggesting that any officer who 'No Comment's their way through an interview should be suspended on reduced pay until such a time as they decide to co-operate.
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May 18, 2014 20:23
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Spangly, you missed out on a chance to get rid of your rancid eggs and rotten veg, Big Nige was in Margate today. He has tweeted a pic of him holding a baby in a UKIP baby gro
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Barry Foster posted:http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/may/18/sunday-times-rich-list It's amazing how the pro-rich never really understand what it truely means that huge chunks of the economy are tied up in 1% of the population. It means that money can never be yours. The end game of the rich is not job creation, it is for them to have even more and for everyone else to have even less.
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Trickjaw posted:Spangly, you missed out on a chance to get rid of your rancid eggs and rotten veg, Big Nige was in Margate today. He has tweeted a pic of him holding a baby in a UKIP baby gro I do hope you don't think the good communist presence of UKMT missed heckling him.
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's amazing how the pro-rich never really understand what it truely means that huge chunks of the economy are tied up in 1% of the population. It means that money can never be yours. The end game of the rich is not job creation, it is for them to have even more and for everyone else to have even less. More money to the people notorious for ferreting away their wealth offshore helps the economy, but more money to the people who have to spend every loving penny they have won't? Bullshit.
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May 18, 2014 20:41
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tooterfish posted:Trickle down economics pisses me off no end. Good ole marginal propensity to spend
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Spangly A posted:I do hope you don't think the good communist presence of UKMT missed heckling him. Good show, comrade. The squirming bastard has apparently said his interview on Friday was awesome because he was so tired. I suppose being hateful does take it out of one. Still, doesn't explain all the press releases after saying he 'stood by Romanian concerns'. Won't make a blind bit of difference, on Friday I went for a drink with some older friends around my day's age and asked them about this and it got quite heated, in defence of UKIP. I felt a bit beleaguered and did not change anyones mind at all. It must be one of those things you can either see is wrong, or not? 
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Trickjaw posted:Good show, comrade. The squirming bastard has apparently said his interview on Friday was awesome because he was so tired. I suppose being hateful does take it out of one. Still, doesn't explain all the press releases after saying he 'stood by Romanian concerns'. Just saw his non-retraction. He regrets that he was so tired from the barrage of questions but you can't deny there are real problems with criminality of Romanian gangs in London. I mean yes I can because it's not actually real, but then again I'm a liberal.
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I remember the poo poo storm when it turns out Romanians decided to peaceably assemble on their own property and people were terrified because it's a sure fact that when a group of Romanians stand around talking in that language of theirs it's only a matter of time before they turn into an unstoppable force of rape and terror. Some of them were even doing it in public property. The nerve.
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Trickjaw posted:Won't make a blind bit of difference, on Friday I went for a drink with some older friends around my day's age and asked them about this and it got quite heated, in defence of UKIP. I felt a bit beleaguered and did not change anyones mind at all. It must be one of those things you can either see is wrong, or not? http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/05/18/little-public-awareness-ukips-policies/ I think for a great majority of people they're nothing more than a stick to scare the big three with, and they don't particularly care what size or shape or colour the stick is. Lots of people genuinely don't seem to see that they're shooting themselves in the foot completely with UKIP. I understand some of the arguments for wanting out of the EU, and I'm sure a UKIP government would achieve that, but on literally every other policy they're beyond even the sharp edge of the Tory membership in terms of being irredeemable neoliberal shitbags. How anyone could think they represent the interests of the common man after taking a single minute to browse their ridiculous, backwards, poorly thought out policies I have no idea. Yeah, gently caress rights and public services, what are you a filthy communist? Oh, we do need to build new tanks and bombers just in case the Germans get uppity again though. For fucks sake. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 00:26 on May 19, 2014 |
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The Germans already got uppity again, what do you think the EU is?
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ThomasPaine posted:I understand some of the arguments for wanting out of the EU, and I'm sure a UKIP government would achieve that I really don't know about that. As a party with zero chance of actually gaining parliamentary power, it's nothing they'll ever have to get pragmatic about, but they're also a party of business interests. EU membership brings a lot of advantages (the upper ranks of the party have been enjoying the benefits of immigration lately too), and just pulling out would be a damaging move, especially when you look at their other attitudes to policy - this ain't a party concerned with a nuanced economic transition to a strong, independent and self-protecting nation. It's like Cameron, he can bang on about HUMANITY'S REFERENDUM IN OR OUT but he doesn't actually want Britain out, he just wants certain aspects changed. The goodies are just too good for the kind of society and interests he wants to support. A referendum voting out (and any other showing of public support) gives him something to threaten the rest of the EU with, and that's why it's even better for Farage - he'll never have to act on it, he can just stoke the flames
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baka kaba posted:the upper ranks of the party have been enjoying the benefits of immigration lately too In fact if we were to leave the EU Nige would have to go through the horrific hell that is the UK Immigration system with his wife and kids.
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Is Farage specifically so fearful of Romanians because he keeps calling them and thinks they are "Roma"? He even does it in the radio interview. If I remember correctly, Romanian media actually got really mad about how British stuff keeps assuming this, because Romanian culture is horrifically anti-Roma 
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