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My freshly Persian-faced emperor and newly minted Saoshyant. The Middle East and Arabian Peninsula have gotten a bit weird since the Zoroastrianism began to reassert itself. I want to see if the AI will form the Abyssinian Empire, but first they have to usurp Egypt off the Tulunids. Also, even imgur has a loving captcha now? 
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:FUUUUUUCK His Grandfather was the Duke of Aquitaine; when his mother dies, he gets her weak claim. Since it's a Duchess holding the title, he can press it against her.
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May 20, 2014 12:55
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I'm enjoying playing in Arabia/africa but man does it take forever for troops to get anywhere. You would think that camels would move faster than other troops in the desert. The camel retinue is pretty awesome though.
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May 20, 2014 13:05
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So I was looking at the CK2 wiki, and they list Hellenic Paganism as a religion in the game. I tried to look around the 867 start, and I can't find a single character or county with that religion. Do they just come into the game somehow, and if so, how?
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May 20, 2014 13:09
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That's only for historical purposes, or perhaps screwing around with the ruler designer. You can browse the previous rulers of the Byzantine empire all the way back to Augustus, and those long dead rulers had it. There's no character or province left which still practices it.
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May 20, 2014 13:15
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Democrazy posted:So I was looking at the CK2 wiki, and they list Hellenic Paganism as a religion in the game. I tried to look around the 867 start, and I can't find a single character or county with that religion. Do they just come into the game somehow, and if so, how? It's just for history so the pre Christian Roman emperors have the right religion.
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May 20, 2014 13:16
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Rumda posted:It's just for history so the pre Christian Roman emperors have the right religion. Just gonna note that it's totally not the right religion and the idea that the Roman gods were the same as the Hellenic gods stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of Classical religion. 
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May 20, 2014 13:18
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Beamed posted:Just gonna note that it's totally not the right religion and the idea that the Roman gods were the same as the Hellenic gods stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of Classical religion. The Roman religion was intentionally syncretic and the Roman state encouraged the idea that other gods were just different manifestations of a Roman god with similar attributes. RonJeremysBalzac fucked around with this message at 13:24 on May 20, 2014 |
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May 20, 2014 13:20
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I've been experiencing the strangest bug: whenever I try to plot to revoke a county, the moment I make the decision to revoke and my vassal declares war on me the war immediately ends and I get a message to the effect of "[My character] has left the the war because their liege [my character] has joined the war." This has happened to me in both my India game and my girlfriend's Ireland game. For what it's worth, I'm running the game with the beta patch. Edit: the worst part is that I'm unable to manually end the plot after this because the tooltip says "can not end a plot that has already been set in motion." The only way for me to end the plot would be to revoke that county and eat up the tyranny penalty, which is not something I'm willing to do. Ratpick fucked around with this message at 13:34 on May 20, 2014 |
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May 20, 2014 13:31
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I have discovered recently my favourite flip side to scouring the globe looking for appropriate mates for my brood of offspring - I have a tame branch of the family holding the kingdom of Ireland that I am essentially inbreeding the dwarf and lisp traits into. Soon I will have them inherit (tanistry) and use the dwarf children to destabilise the other Christian megablocks by marrying them all to karlings. Pics when I get home.
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May 20, 2014 13:36
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RonJeremysBalzac posted:The Roman religion was intentionally syncretic and the Roman state encouraged the idea that other gods were just different manifestations of a Roman god with similar attributes. Yes, just like almost every single polytheistic religion in the area? As far back as the Old Kingdom you had the gods from Upper and Lower Egypt being reconciled as different aspects of eachother.
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May 20, 2014 13:47
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Oh nice! Persian unit and Portraits out this morning. I now can start digging into the Zoroastrians! Anyone have any tips so I don't just get smashed right away?
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May 20, 2014 14:00
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Little_Viking posted:Oh nice! Persian unit and Portraits out this morning. I now can start digging into the Zoroastrians! Anyone have any tips so I don't just get smashed right away? As Karen, swear fealty immediately to your Muslim neighbor to the right. Most of the lands are still Zoroastrian, so he'll get lots of revolts. Just wait for one to happen and he'll lose a lot of troops, then pounce and demand elective succession and install yourself as ruler. I mostly expanded by exploiting the Saffarid's instability.
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May 20, 2014 14:07
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uurgh I just reverted back from the beta only to find out that it reverted my savefiles as well. I lost 65 years on my current savefile.
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May 20, 2014 14:10
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RonJeremysBalzac posted:As Karen, swear fealty immediately to your Muslim neighbor to the right. Most of the lands are still Zoroastrian, so he'll get lots of revolts. Just wait for one to happen and he'll lose a lot of troops, then pounce and demand elective succession and install yourself as ruler. I mostly expanded by exploiting the Saffarid's instability. Oh nice, that seems doable. I tried the swear fealty trick as semien(I think? the Jewish east africa start), and simply had my king covert my people, hopefully they wont be able to do that to me.
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May 20, 2014 14:13
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RonJeremysBalzac posted:That's only for historical purposes, or perhaps screwing around with the ruler designer. You can browse the previous rulers of the Byzantine empire all the way back to Augustus, and those long dead rulers had it. There's no character or province left which still practices it. That's sensible (and a cool nod to Imperial authority being traced all the way back to Augustus) but man, it'd be kind of cool if there was a random event that could mark the return of Hellenic paganism. Maybe if the Byzantine Empire is pushed out of Greece or destroyed?
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May 20, 2014 14:21
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Little_Viking posted:Oh nice, that seems doable. I tried the swear fealty trick as semien(I think? the Jewish east africa start), and simply had my king covert my people, hopefully they wont be able to do that to me. Generally you need to be fairly powerful when you swear fealty as a different religion to that of the ruler, or your new liege will just revoke your title/demand conversion.
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May 20, 2014 14:55
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RonJeremysBalzac posted:As Karen, swear fealty immediately to your Muslim neighbor to the right. Most of the lands are still Zoroastrian, so he'll get lots of revolts. Just wait for one to happen and he'll lose a lot of troops, then pounce and demand elective succession and install yourself as ruler. I mostly expanded by exploiting the Saffarid's instability. I think it's actually easier now to start as the Saffarids, unite most of the Persian Empire, then move my capital to a Zoroastrian province and convert. Muslims rack up piety so easily it becomes trivial to do that even with your first character.
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May 20, 2014 15:20
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Allyn posted:Some Invasion CBs say they'll do this ("[Your char] takes all occupied holdings") but don't actually do so, like the Muslim one. The pagan/tribal/Christian ones do though. Also note you only need to occupy the top-level holding of a county and you automatically get everything underneath it. Yea learned this the hard way last night... Invaded Byzantine and took everything up to Greece. Only got Croatia for my troubles. Oh well. My Sunni world conquests continues! Retinues are so nice.
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May 20, 2014 16:02
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AdjectiveNoun posted:I think it's actually easier now to start as the Saffarids, unite most of the Persian Empire, then move my capital to a Zoroastrian province and convert. Muslims rack up piety so easily it becomes trivial to do that even with your first character. Alternatively start as the Cumans or Yabguid Turks and expand southward from the Steppe. There are quite a few Zoroastrian ladies in Muslim courts whose rulers don't give a poo poo about marrying infidels off to steppe pagans. You can either get a Zoroastrian wife/concubine or simply smack the Samanids down with an Invasion, move your capital to Khiva and convert. Khiva is an excellent steppe capital as it's fairly central and 3/4 of its provinces are Steppe which means you get the fancy cavalry buildings.
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May 20, 2014 16:33
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Goddamn AI. I have to save Mesopotamia's rear end from Muslims for the hundredth time because they keep trying regroup their armies right next to a 20000 enemy pile. I guess if their total numbers scattered around the realm match the enemy, the AI will figure conga lining them all to their deaths makes sense. The AI also doesn't seem to realize Mesopotamia is allied with the drat Roman Empire which is right next door. BioMe fucked around with this message at 16:38 on May 20, 2014 |
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May 20, 2014 16:35
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RonJeremysBalzac posted:My freshly Persian-faced emperor and newly minted Saoshyant. While it's taking a little while to get used to the new looks for some characters (particularly Ya'qub and Nasr; the former being this young-looking dude with really messy hair, while also being an absolute god of war, was especially great), I really like the Persian portraits. Looking up pictures of actual Persian people, I now see that it's more accurate than the old ones. Looks a lot better than what that one mod in HIP did too; even ignoring the off-center mouths and such in the mod, the DLC's skin tone looks like an actual skin tone rather than the old faces with cream smeared over them. On a tangent, it's really neat looking up characters in this and learning about who they actually were and stuff. Vandad and Farah are the kids of a guy who became infamous for openly being Zoroastrian under the Muslim rule (though he and his brother were eventually executed and gibbeted for it), and the House of Karen in general existed from Sassanid times all the way to the 11th century, despite repeated attempts by the Caliphate to control them. (Maybe; Maziar was real at least, as was the House of Karen. Not sure about Vandad and Farah specifically though.) Ya'qub, meanwhile, was actually the founder of the Saffarid dynasty, despite possibly being born in a rather low class, and really hated the Abbasids as well. (Nasr was apparently less impressive, though the Samanids eventually vassalized the Saffarids, so they did well for a while I suppose.) The two Murchads people tend to start at in Ireland (the Dublin and Thormond rulers) were real as well, though their lives didn't go quite so well. Both of them died a few years after the start date. Not quite becoming King of Ireland, really. Heck, Dublin's Murchad actually died two years before his father, which is somewhat amusing in the context of the usual strategy for playing him being to wait until his father dies and you inherit from him. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 17:02 on May 20, 2014 |
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May 20, 2014 16:50
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I want to get it all: I want to get a Sayyid Saoshyant born in the Purple Augustus Mongol Jain Karling. How do I do this? I was thinking about starting as the Italian Karling and fight the Muslims until I capture a Sayyid Boy, raise and convert him, marry into my bloodline, then get a claim on the Byzantine Empire and proceed to go into Persia after forming the Roman Empire. But how do I form the Persian Empire which seems to be a prerequisite for Saoshyant? I guess I would need give up on the Roman Empire to become independent, form Persia and then get the Roman Empire back. After that converting to Mongol culture and Jain religion sounds almost trivially easy.
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May 20, 2014 16:58
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Supeerme posted:uurgh I just reverted back from the beta only to find out that it reverted my savefiles as well. I lost 65 years on my current savefile. Your saves aren't reverted, they will still be there saying "Unsupported version" or something similar. Just open them up and change the version number, nothing major should be different.
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May 20, 2014 17:07
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What is the deal with the Chief Qadi? Playing as the Hashimids, I keep getting these popups about how some random vassal is pissed about the Chief Qadi, with the option to replace the guy. There isn't any info in the tooltip about whether this will piss anyone off or make anyone like me more. I don't even know what a Chief Qadi is.
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May 20, 2014 17:29
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Hey, since Rajas of India and it's changes, have the patches changed anything major, game wise at all?
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May 20, 2014 18:02
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Bold Robot posted:What is the deal with the Chief Qadi? Playing as the Hashimids, I keep getting these popups about how some random vassal is pissed about the Chief Qadi, with the option to replace the guy. There isn't any info in the tooltip about whether this will piss anyone off or make anyone like me more. I don't even know what a Chief Qadi is. He's like your Kingdom's official judge for religious matters. You can award it as an honourary title to people with religious education. I'm not really sure what he does besides upset random vassals though.
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May 20, 2014 18:34
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Democrazy posted:That's sensible (and a cool nod to Imperial authority being traced all the way back to Augustus) but man, it'd be kind of cool if there was a random event that could mark the return of Hellenic paganism. Maybe if the Byzantine Empire is pushed out of Greece or destroyed? Bad news: It's not been updated yet for the most recent patches. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 19:06 on May 20, 2014 |
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May 20, 2014 18:58
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How can I convince members of my dynasty to stop being decadent? I don't see any option in the diplomacy screen.
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May 20, 2014 19:07
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Bold Robot posted:How can I convince members of my dynasty to stop being decadent? I don't see any option in the diplomacy screen. It's in the religion screen. There's a list of Decadent dynasty members, and they should have a Straighten Up button.
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May 20, 2014 19:16
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Today's Humble Bundle has CK2 + 21 DLC's for $20, and a vanilla copy of CK2 for $8.
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May 20, 2014 19:20
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quote:Fourth open beta version of patch 2.1.5 now on Steam.
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May 20, 2014 19:25
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Strudel Man posted:Good news! Ancient Religions is basically exactly that, allowing...I think Greek or Italian characters in the right region to potentially return to the ways of Jupiter, Best and Greatest. Ambivalent news: it's integrated into CK2+, which has (kind of) been.
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May 20, 2014 19:30
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Drone posted:Today's Humble Bundle has CK2 + 21 DLC's for $20, and a vanilla copy of CK2 for $8. It's certainly been cheaper than $8 for vanilla (as they rightfully point out over in the general Steam thread). I doubt it worth it for the game + gameplay DLC either, but can't be arsed to count.  Old Gods, Rajas of India and Sons of Abraham aren't included!Fake edit: Aw, I hate to trash this deal just after such a nice patch update. Maybe CK2 will crash less for me now. 
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May 20, 2014 19:31
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BabyFur Denny posted:I want to get it all: I don't think your Sayyid plan will work - the boy's heirs will be of his dynasty, not yours. If you are already the Roman Emperor - you can just form the Persian Empire (and be dual emperor of Rome and Persia), become Saoshyant, and then destroy Persia if you want since you don't need it after that.
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May 20, 2014 19:38
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Allyn posted:His Grandfather was the Duke of Aquitaine; when his mother dies, he gets her weak claim. Since it's a Duchess holding the title, he can press it against her. Joke's on me in that case I guess. Thankfully I wasn't doing Ironman so I savescummed and diplo-assassinated him before he could push the claim. The HRE has been extremely stable right from the start and France just can't stand up to it sadly.
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May 20, 2014 19:47
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Darth Various posted:Fake edit: Aw, I hate to trash this deal just after such a nice patch update. Maybe CK2 will crash less for me now. That's it, I'm reverting all the fixes!
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May 20, 2014 19:54
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Lately I haven't been getting the Crusader trait but NPCs have. This is across a few different characters, too. Join the Pope's war, go off and siege something down... no trait. Did something change in how you earn it?
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May 20, 2014 19:56
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monster on a stick posted:I don't think your Sayyid plan will work - the boy's heirs will be of his dynasty, not yours. The plan will work just fine. You need to get a Sayyid to your court and then marry him matrilinealy to one of your kinswomen. That child will be a Sayyid of your dynasty.
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May 20, 2014 19:59
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monster on a stick posted:I don't think your Sayyid plan will work - the boy's heirs will be of his dynasty, not yours. What Torrannor said. The description for Sayyid makes this a bit confusing, but it doesn't care if the marriage is legally matrilineal, it just cares if it's passing from the father or the mother.
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