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Luigi Thirty posted:Jerry Doyle is super obviously supposed to be a poor man's Bruce Willis but he gains 50 pounds and goes bald over the course of the show so ...mission accomplished?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Speaking of very lazy writing, two episodes have identical scenes between Londo and Vir. Which episodes are these in?
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Re: transporter talk, I always thought it was stupid that you could remotely transport things without the use of a transporter pad or some other device. By what mechanism are you physically disassembling and object and reconstructing it without some kid of device at the source and destination to do it? It's essentially magic, and magic tech runs into the problem of "well why couldn't they just do X in Y" situation.
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Subyng posted:Re: transporter talk, I always thought it was stupid that you could remotely transport things without the use of a transporter pad or some other device. By what mechanism are you physically disassembling and object and reconstructing it without some kid of device at the source and destination to do it? It's essentially magic, and magic tech runs into the problem of "well why couldn't they just do X in Y" situation. I figured the ship could project some kind of field in a certain radius around a fixed point for transport. That's why pattern enhancers were deployed, typically in a triangle shape, and people had to stand within that triangle -- it allowed the ship to established a field in areas where interference prevented a positive lock.
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May 21, 2014 21:52
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Subyng posted:Re: transporter talk, I always thought it was stupid that you could remotely transport things without the use of a transporter pad or some other device. By what mechanism are you physically disassembling and object and reconstructing it without some kid of device at the source and destination to do it? It's essentially magic, and magic tech runs into the problem of "well why couldn't they just do X in Y" situation. I assumed that it worked exactly the same as regular beaming up and then beaming back down, they just skipped materializing on the pad on the ship. Lock on, beam them "up" into the pattern buffer, then beam them "down" to the destination.
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May 21, 2014 22:20
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Snak posted:I assumed that it worked exactly the same as regular beaming up and then beaming back down, they just skipped materializing on the pad on the ship. Lock on, beam them "up" into the pattern buffer, then beam them "down" to the destination. Right, but I always thought there should be some kind of physical medium that facilitates the beaming process, which I assumed would be the transporter pad. You stand on the pad, the pad dematerializes you, sends your pattern into the buffer, sends the pattern to the receiver, and the receiver re-materializes you on their pad.
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May 21, 2014 23:16
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Subyng posted:Right, but I always thought there should be some kind of physical medium that facilitates the beaming process, which I assumed would be the transporter pad. You stand on the pad, the pad dematerializes you, sends your pattern into the buffer, sends the pattern to the receiver, and the receiver re-materializes you on their pad. Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. It's just that "beaming down to alien planets" is like, Star Trek's thing.
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May 21, 2014 23:21
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I always thought it would have been a cool thing (maybe for Enterprise) is that they had to set up some sort of transporter pylons or something around them before they could beam out. Oh well.
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May 21, 2014 23:25
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Cat Hatter posted:Best guess would be that the voice in Ezri's head telling her to kill people was distracting her (and I guess Odo was too busy being bad at his job). Although if I wanted to come up with a technical reason I'd say that all the combat-rated transporter scrambler/redirectors were needed on the front lines and Starfleet Logistics decided that DS9 could make do with just their shields because why would they need to stop 100% of intrastation beaming?
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May 21, 2014 23:31
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In reality, the way the transporters operate in Star Trek, they should just be able to do site-site transport for anything. Away team? Beam straight from the bridge. They are pretty much only there for a narrative purpose. A place was needed to greet guests coming on the ship or to have goodbyes, or to group together before going down to a planet. So, the transporter room was born.
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May 21, 2014 23:42
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bull3964 posted:In reality, the way the transporters operate in Star Trek, they should just be able to do site-site transport for anything. Away team? Beam straight from the bridge. Well transporter pad should remove 90% of the need for a transporter lock, so it probably makes the entire thing take less system resources and allows any idiot to operate the transporter.
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May 21, 2014 23:44
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Snak posted:Well transporter pad should remove 90% of the need for a transporter lock, so it probably makes the entire thing take less system resources and allows any idiot to operate the transporter. 
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Gau posted:I always thought it would have been a cool thing (maybe for Enterprise) is that they had to set up some sort of transporter pylons or something around them before they could beam out. I imagined the early transporters to be completely incapable of site-to-site transport, requiring the use of drones/probes containing an automated materialization platform slaved to the main transporter that would be launched to a planet's surface or taken aboard a friendly ship. It'd basically be the Morse telegraph to the TOS+ era's wireless radio.
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May 22, 2014 00:13
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Gau posted:Which episodes are these in? In Dust to Dust the scene is at 26:39 and in Point of No Return it's the opening scene. They're different scenes, obviously, but huge chunks of the dialog and the scenario is virtually the same. (The version in PoNR is by far the better one.) "Say instead they are interested in 'dubious pleasures'. The dubious part is important; it doesn't mean anything, but it scares people." 
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At least at the time it aired, for me Babylon 5 seemed like borderline-unwatchable poo poo until a switch flipped in my head sometime late in S1 and it suddenly became the best TV I'd ever seen up to that point.
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Sounds like it made you have a stroke.
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Vagabundo posted:Sounds like it made you have a stroke. I, too, enjoy the work of Claudia Christian 
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Vagabundo posted:Sounds like it made you have a stroke. I might. I finished Season 1 last night. This show grows on you, in the sense that I think I need a cream for it. Once you understand that it's more written as a stage play than a TV show, the show does get easier to watch. My biggest issue is that right now, I'm just bored with Babylon 5 itself. All of the interesting poo poo is happening somewhere else: the Narn vs. Centauri bit, the Minbari caste tensions, even the most interesting part of the Commander (his OMG SECRET BACKSTORY). Meanwhile we're stuck with Second-Rate Bruce Willis, Jesuit Picard With Hair, and Russian Parental Issues (who is russian) (also jewish). The "good" news is that the metaplot has shown up: evil shadowy things being evil and shadowy. I do enjoy the show taking a lot of avenues that were missed in Star Trek. Religion isn't magically dead because humanity became "enlightened," but Earth is a unified force all the same. Babylon 5's characters feel things in a way that even Enterprise didn't, and their motivations are a lot more clear (if a bit cliche). There's a lot of history and backstory that makes the world feel rich and immersive, and the aliens are much more diverse both visually and philosophically. (The Narn aren't just Klingons, they're a peaceful people who were run the gently caress over by an empire and so they said Never Again in the biggest gently caress-off way possible.)
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The first series has lots of B5-centric stories (like the Dockers strike, which is a fairly simple parable about how Unions Are Good but is really really small time compared to INTERSTELLAR WAR), the next three series move increasingly away from it (including the one episode where B5 isn't present at all, except in the title sequence) but then due to having to rush the metaplot in the second half of series 4 due to renewal worries the plots coalesce around B5 again for the first half of S5 and so it's less good. How good people think B5 is at any given point is really highly negatively correlated with "how much day to day station gubbins is on screen?".
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I love how this thread has become a refuge for Babylon 5 chat and Farscape chat. "Give us you tired, your poor, your '90's sci fi..." Not that I'm complaining. B5 was awesome, and Farscape was better than 90% of Trek. There. I said it. Speaking of which, Netflix says my next episode on Voyager is "Threshold." 
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Railing Kill posted:Speaking of which, Netflix says my next episode on Voyager is "Threshold." Oh no.
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Just got my Bajoran Solar sailor in the mail. One of the few ships I've been impressed with.
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Railing Kill posted:Speaking of which, Netflix says my next episode on Voyager is "Threshold." Looks like a good excuse to get drunk.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Looks like a good excuse to get drunk. He's watching Voyager by choice, drinking with a pre-existing psychotic condition is a bad idea
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The science in Threshold might make a little more sense on LSD
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Braga did a little too much LDS with the free speech movement at Berkeley.
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Turns out it was a different group entirely.
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This just showed up in my twitter feed: https://twitter.com/Laslo_Panaflex/status/469584553141882880 https://twitter.com/Laslo_Panaflex/status/469584629511778304  
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The Dark One posted:This just showed up in my twitter feed:  If I got a birthday card like that, I'd enter witness protection.
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On the topic of Babylon 5, I leave this without comment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftzgcfG7uHE&t=345s
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That guy was also booked by mistake, he has a similar name to a much tougher looking guy that JMS wanted to book.
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One of these days I really aught to watch some Babylon 5. I saw a couple of episodes when I was like 9 or something but it was at some ungodly hour so I didn't stick with it. I remember there being an episode where they visited one of the previous ones, I think it was 4 and then it disappeared or something.
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My flatmate is watching Threshold. Oh god why All I wanted was to tidy up my Magic the Gathering deck I never wanted this. Janeway just told them to "open the space doors" to let out Paris' shuttle that he tweaked up to warp 9.99 in an afternoon. The lizards are coming. I can see it. I'm going for a smoke.
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Data Graham posted:It sank into the swamp. I knew it! mossyfisk posted:My flatmate is watching Threshold. Oh god why Hey smoking is bad for your health.
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I realllly want to get into DS9 but season 1 episodes progress so slowly. I mean, it's not bad, it's just that by halfway through the episode I feel like it should be over by now. Can I/should I skip any of it?
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Red Crown posted:I realllly want to get into DS9 but season 1 episodes progress so slowly. I mean, it's not bad, it's just that by halfway through the episode I feel like it should be over by now. Can I/should I skip any of it? Power through for it is the only way.
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Sprat Sandwich posted:Hey smoking is bad for your health. So is playing dom jot with a Nausicaan, but sometimes you gotta live a little.
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It was feeling like Enterprise going to Risa was going to be like the loving Fireworks Factory, but after three episodes they finally made it. There is a Horgon on Archer's wall with a lit button on it. Must call room service.  edit: it just opens the door 
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