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I think spoiling your vote is great in theory but I just wouldn't waste the petrol if I wasn't going to vote.
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CountButtula posted:Voted Green despite one of their supporters a being massive oval office and equating non-voters to the workshy Did you at least argue that being disillusioned with voting is not the fault of individual voters and represents a massive failure of political parties to engage meaningfully with the electorate at the grass-roots level?
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May 22, 2014 12:56
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God. I'm in an airport with a bunch of City boys with the most insufferable voices laughing about the killing their respective firms made on the Royal Mail flotation, and how 'frightfully awful' it is that the Astro-Zeneca takeover doesn't seem to be happening. Also heard: 'my dear boy, what you want, London wants' and 'my suit costs more than his car'.
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May 22, 2014 12:57
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haakman posted:Voted spunking cock - please tell me how I shoul of voted for some batshit anti nuke party. EU is PR, so spoiled ballots are a vote for UKIP *and* the Tories at the same time. Congrats on not diminishing this. There is not a single party I like in the south east. SPGB on general principles.
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Lavender menace posted:Did you at least argue that being disillusioned with voting is not the fault of individual voters and represents a massive failure of political parties to engage meaningfully with the electorate at the grass-roots level? Given my mood after piling through miles of ill-informed shite from people who should know better, I'd rather gouge out my eyes than argue in good faith with someone who is already okay with pulling out the "workshy" trope.
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May 22, 2014 13:00
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Prism Mirror Lens posted:Hahaha, who was he calling a fuckwit? he was quoting (with disapproval lol)Peter Kirkham, a scuffer who was pissed off with Teresa May, and called her that in a tweet. We need this tory filth off our tvs! Oh, and bnp horned in on adding to the debate on twitter by posting 'No profanities here' with their rabble rousing promises 
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May 22, 2014 13:00
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Spangly A posted:EU is PR, so spoiled ballots are a vote for UKIP *and* the Tories at the same time. Congrats on not diminishing this. Oh bollocks
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May 22, 2014 13:01
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Seen on Facebook:quote:Hearing stories of EU citizens being turned away at polling booths, being lied to and told they're not allowed to vote. quote:My flatmate got to the polling booth and they had a black line through his name and some rule book that said EU citizens weren't allowed to vote - which is definitely not the case Anyone ever see anything like this?
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May 22, 2014 13:10
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Kegluneq posted:Wait what 
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Spangly A posted:EU is PR, so spoiled ballots are a vote for UKIP *and* the Tories at the same time. Congrats on not diminishing this. While simultaneously doing the written equivalent of screaming obscenities in the face of someone who is giving up their evening or weekend because they need an extra £50 in their pay packet, no less. There really isn't a better way to say "gently caress you, poors" in an election.
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May 22, 2014 13:17
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Coohoolin posted:Seen on Facebook: There was some journo asking for people to let him know if this had happened. Don't know if its right or wrong though, never stopped to think about it
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May 22, 2014 13:18
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EU elections are non-transferrable PR, so there's still a level of tactical voting involved if your preferred party can't reach half of the quota (Labour and the Tories won't probably support STV as it would mean more minor party winners like the Greens, Lib Dems, even a socialist or two)
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May 22, 2014 13:18
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Kegluneq posted:Wait what My ballot papet just said make one selection! So echoing the wait what Add me to the watermelon vote
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May 22, 2014 13:19
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Jedit posted:While simultaneously doing the written equivalent of screaming obscenities in the face of someone who is giving up their evening or weekend because they need an extra £50 in their pay packet, no less. There really isn't a better way to say "gently caress you, poors" in an election. Everyone who spoils their ballots draws cocks and swears, this is a literal fact
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May 22, 2014 13:23
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Ferrosol posted:My ballot papet just said make one selection! So echoing the wait what Most PR systems still only give you one vote, but calculations are done with the vote totals such that minor parties are far more likely to win seats.
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May 22, 2014 13:26
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CountButtula posted:Everyone who spoils their ballots draws cocks and swears, this is a literal fact And think they are fighting the system somehow, when all that happens is that the ballot counters just go 'tch' and place it on one pile. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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May 22, 2014 13:30
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quote:In a given region the allocated seats are awarded using a quota system. The quota is the total number of votes received by a party or independent tl;dr It's PR in terms of allocation.
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May 22, 2014 13:30
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Its hoying it down here in Essex, so I hope the UKIP minibus thing they have is too busy to get many grumpy racists to the polling stations.
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May 22, 2014 13:31
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happyhippy posted:And think they are fighting the system somehow, when all that happens is that the ballot counters just go 'tch' and place it on one pile. They're just too lazy/workshy to make an "X", to be honest.
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May 22, 2014 13:31
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Euro Elections use the D'Hondt system; you only cross one box once but there is proportional assignment involved in the counting
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May 22, 2014 13:32
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Mr N posted:So, would anyone here consider voting Lib Dem again, ever? Yeah, I voted Lib Dem in the locals because the candidate is good, and I will vote Lib Dem in the general election because we have a really good backbench MP who I want to keep. In both cases I'm voting for the people, not the party. I would never vote for the Lib Dems as a party now though.
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May 22, 2014 13:34
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Alecto posted:Most PR systems still only give you one vote, but calculations are done with the vote totals such that minor parties are far more likely to win seats. The system that we use, the D'Hondt system, is biased slightly towards larger parties. It should be Saint-Laguë, which biases towards smaller parties.
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May 22, 2014 13:38
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Ferrosol posted:My ballot papet just said make one selection! So echoing the wait what PR isn't AV, you only get one selection, but all votes are a combination of "vote for *party" and "vote against *notparty". All valid votes are votes against everyone else because you raise the threshold they need for seats. Spoiling your ballot, while understandable and frankly harmless in FPTP, is literally helping UKIP in the EU election system.
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May 22, 2014 13:41
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Whitefish posted:Yeah, I voted Lib Dem in the locals because the candidate is good, and I will vote Lib Dem in the general election because we have a really good backbench MP who I want to keep. In both cases I'm voting for the people, not the party. I would never vote for the Lib Dems as a party now though.
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May 22, 2014 13:47
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TinTower posted:The system that we use, the D'Hondt system, is biased slightly towards larger parties. It should be Saint-Laguë, which biases towards smaller parties. No, it should be a system which isn't bias. If it was biases towards smaller parties half of the EU would be the fourth Reich. España 2000, SRP, National Renovator Party, BNP, National Front (Albania), National Popular Front, Workers' Party (Czech Republic), Greater Romania Party, Brothers of Italy – National Alliance, Croatian Party of Rights, Slovak National Party, Golden Dawn, Attack, Order and Justice, Vlaams Belang, National Democratic Party. The list goes on like the Netherland's Party for Freedom. Bias either way is bad and wanting it so your politics is louder then others is wrong and self absorbed. What you should be saying is "It should be non-bias" not "it should be bias for MY POLITICS". It's democracy.
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May 22, 2014 13:48
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there is no perfect voting system and they all contain their own biases and quirks.
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May 22, 2014 13:49
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Cerv posted:there is no perfect voting system and they all contain their own biases and quirks. To clarify, it is literally impossible to create a perfect voting system, since some of the criteria for checking bias/vote gaming outright contradict each other by definition. Schulze is the best though.
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May 22, 2014 13:50
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Holy poo poo. A bolt of lightning hit a nearby building when I went to vote. I take it this is Thor showing his displeasure with UKIP.
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May 22, 2014 13:51
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Ddraig posted:Holy poo poo. A bolt of lightning hit a nearby building when I went to vote. I take it this is Thor showing his displeasure with UKIP. Maybe you shouldn't have voted for them then?
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May 22, 2014 13:53
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Spangly A posted:EU is PR, so spoiled ballots are a vote for UKIP *and* the Tories at the same time. Congrats on not diminishing this. Jokes - I voted Green, reluctantly. The poor old dear at the polling station would have had a heart attack if I had voted how I intend to vote in the GE. There are a lot of horrible horrible candidates though, britain first, first britain, independent britain, ukip - any sort of combination of that.
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May 22, 2014 13:55
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Kegluneq posted:Maybe you shouldn't have voted for them then? I voted Green. Labour is universally terrible as MEPs and virtually every other party was either Tory or Fascist Tory. Its seriously loving pouring it down here.
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May 22, 2014 13:58
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May 22, 2014 13:59
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I hate myself for voting Labour for the locals, but they've done quite a good job so far...
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May 22, 2014 14:01
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A Sloth posted:Voted UKIP. so edgy 
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May 22, 2014 14:03
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Its only edgy to posters in this thread.
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May 22, 2014 14:05
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A Sloth posted:Voted UKIP. You're a worse person than me in every way and I'm a junkie layabout  haakman posted:Jokes - I voted Green, reluctantly. The poor old dear at the polling station would have had a heart attack if I had voted how I intend to vote in the GE. Spoil away at the locals and GE, for sure. gently caress FPTP. An Independence From Europe is my favourite. They learned a trick!
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A Sloth posted:Its only edgy to posters in this thread. Well, it wouldn't be a show without Punch, would it?
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I have a dislike for all non-transferable systems since they all make tactical voting possible and make some parties encourage it. Its used less than in FPTP; but its also less accessible to people who don't now how the maths of D'Hondt works: here you have the SNP and the Greens both shouting that people should vote tactically for them to keep UKIP out... I always view the candidate as more important than the party in the locals; since the parties will end up doing weird poo poo anyway. Like I ranked the local Tory above the Labour candidate last time we voted here a few years ago, since the Tory guy actually does a bunch of really good local stuff while the Labour candidate literally lived 60 miles away in Glasgow. Felt very wrong doing it: but surely the most basic thing that a local councillor should do is live in the ward that they run for: or at least in the council area that they are standing for? It didn't matter anyway: we had one candidate from the four main parties for three seats so voting didn't actually matter: it was always going to be 1 Labour, 1 Tory and 1 SNP: and we ended up with a Labour/Conservative council, so a vote for Labour was a vote for the Tories anyway... e: haha the Scottish Tories are standing in Scotland as "Scottish Conservatives Vote No to Independence". I think that everyone can guess what the big issue in Scotland was! IceAgeComing fucked around with this message at 14:26 on May 22, 2014 |
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A Sloth posted:Its only edgy to posters in this thread. What is it about the minimum wage, maternity leave, employment tribunals and human rights you find so abhorrent?
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