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Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

cremnob posted:

get an old fat monitor and hit the degauss button

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Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

PCjr sidecar posted:

its cool to require licensing for one product to use your other product where you have a near monopoly

Vimeo is the Linux on the desktop of video sites
no see it's their service so why is this an issue??? it's the labels' problem if they don't want to follow google's terms of service

Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 16:36 on May 22, 2014

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

Caged posted:

i dont even know why you'd do that. if you don't want to be bothered by phones on your drive to work then turn your phone off.

florida

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


tying a widely offered market-dominating product to acceptance of unfavorable contract terms in an unrelated negotiation only for a small subset of users in order to gain competitive advantage over other providers?

yeah no completely ok i guess no problems there.

i mean granted who knows if it is even true because lol gently caress the disingenuous shitsacks that are music label associations.

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

Shifty Pony posted:

tying a widely offered market-dominating product to acceptance of unfavorable contract terms in an unrelated negotiation only for a small subset of users in order to gain competitive advantage over other providers?

yeah no completely ok i guess no problems there.

i mean granted who knows if it is even true because lol gently caress the disingenuous shitsacks that are music label associations.

google is clearly abusing market dominance in the video-streaming space in a way that practically defines monopolization

that the abused party has formerly done the same to others is a separate though equally hosed up issue

saying that what google is doing is hosed up isn't giving a moral pass to record labels etc., the world cannot be categorized via a purely good/bad binary

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

duTrieux. posted:

google is clearly abusing market dominance in the video-streaming space in a way that practically defines monopolization

that the abused party has formerly done the same to others is a separate though equally hosed up issue

saying that what google is doing is hosed up isn't giving a moral pass to record labels etc., the world cannot be categorized via a purely good/bad binary

a.k.a. "two wrongs don't make a right"

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

lol if you think evil record labels are going to be seriously hurt by this, the people doing the complaining are exactly the kind of little fish that Giganto Musicorp wants to squish

but yeah murdering hitler is still murder

bassguitarhero
Feb 29, 2008

seems like a pretty clear anti-trust violation

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
its pretty much exactly what msft got busted for in the late 90s (using their dominance in one market to exert oversized influence in another)

Careful Drums
Oct 30, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

PCjr sidecar posted:

Vimeo is the Linux on the desktop of video sites

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend
Fun Shoe

Granbar posted:

1) people with disabilities
2) that's it

and people with disabilities presumably prefer to use their OS's builtin accessibility support to do this everywhere instead of one app's lovely inconsistent replacement

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

http://www.benedelman.org/publications/google-tying-2014-05-12.pdf

ben edelman is going to be the best for giving expert testimony if that anroid class action ever gets certified

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

google now peddling subprime loans:

quote:

Wall Street banks are helping the industry expand by lending originators money. They're starting to package the loans into securities that can be sold to investors, just as they did for subprime-mortgage lenders.

OnDeck Capital Inc., a lender with funding from Google's venture-capital arm and PayPal Inc. co-founder Peter Thiel, sold $175 million of notes backed by business debt last month in a deal put together by Deutsche Bank. Interest rates on the loans ranged from 29 percent to 134 percent, according to a report from credit rater DBRS Ltd., which labeled most of the deal investment grade.

Representatives for Thiel, Google Ventures and Goldman Sachs, which lends money to OnDeck, declined to comment.

Vagrancy
Oct 15, 2005
Master of procrastination

according to the information its the major labels who pushed youtube to build this subscription service in the first place, in parallel to the one anroid already has

goog just sees the obvious: the only way getting people to pay actual money has even the slightest chance of working is if the premium featureset applies to every single music video on yt. if there are gaps it undermines the entire premise making it altogether useless at increasing margins/quelling people from ripping music directly out of the videos - the very reasons they wanted it in the first place.

playing rough is the only language the music industry understands

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Shifty Pony posted:

come on, how the hell is this OK to do?

Independent music labels are at loggerheads with YouTube over the licensing terms for its upcoming streaming music subscription service.

Independent music labels


Shifty Pony posted:

i mean granted who knows if it is even true because lol gently caress the disingenuous shitsacks that are music label associations.

i dgaf if sony or columbia or mca or whatever labels even are get hosed

labels run out of a garage or spare bedroom that can't negotiate with youtube are the ones acutally hurt by this

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
Anyone wants an invitation to google i/o extended in kirkland hit me up

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome
Apple is a far worse monopoly than MS ever was.


but lmao like the government is going to do anything about it, they lost the last vestige of interest in trustbusting right in the middle of the MSFT trial.

by all rights, microsoft should have been split into OS, Office and Internet companies. Probably would have been better for them in the long run.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
apples business model means they, serendipitously, never get close to 100% dominance in anything

mp3 players? but there are lots of other mp3 players on the market
phones? but there are lots and lots of phones including an entire anroid ecosystem you can embrace if you think ours is too restrictive
computers? hey after a decade of steady growth were closing in on 10% market share
tablets? still tons of tablets available from other manufacturers
subscription media? streaming? settop boxes? still lots of other options, still lots of competition

they generously leave the low price zero margin stuff for others to squeeze pennies out of

Linguica
Jul 13, 2000
You're already dead

remember how microsoft got reamed for building a web browser into their operating system with integration and access to APIs that no third party browser could ever use

makes u think

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Apple Maps is a weird microcosm of every anti-competitive thing they're doing with iOS

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

pseudorandom name posted:

Apple Maps is a weird microcosm of every anti-competitive thing they're doing with iOS

except you can install google maps which is freely provided by apple's own servers and never have to deal with it

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

rotor posted:

Apple is a far worse monopoly than MS ever was.


pseudorandom name posted:

Apple Maps is a weird microcosm of every anti-competitive thing they're doing with iOS

lmao

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Linguica posted:

remember how microsoft got reamed for building a web browser into their operating system with integration and access to APIs that no third party browser could ever use

makes u think

their ubiquitous operating system that computer manufacturers couldn't afford to not preinstall

vs.

"Folks who want porn can buy and Android phone."

spongeh
Mar 22, 2009

BREADAGRAM OF PROTECTION

hobbesmaster posted:

except you can install google maps which is freely provided by apple's own servers and never have to deal with it

and jailbreak your phone and install an app for cydia so apple doesn't load apple maps everytime it wants a non-transit map.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

hobbesmaster posted:

except you can install google maps which is freely provided by apple's own servers and never have to deal with it
let me know when Google Maps is allowed to respond to Siri voice commands, replace the lock screen, use custom banner notification icons or share data usage between apps

spongeh
Mar 22, 2009

BREADAGRAM OF PROTECTION
"The second non-jailbreak tweak is an easy one, but it's a little complicated to gather your head around, since it involves several workarounds. Essentially, you save a custom URL as a contact, and ask Siri to find it. When she does, she can launch it and that'll bring up Google Maps with directions from your current location. It's certainly not a perfect solution and it only works with addresses you already know, like your home or work address, but it can still be handy when you find yourself in the middle of nowhere and need to find your way home."

if this isn't good enough for you i don't know what is. ilols get it its a corruption of ios like anroid lol. epic.

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

pseudorandom name posted:

let me know when Google Maps is allowed to respond to Siri voice commands, replace the lock screen, use custom banner notification icons or share data usage between apps

lmao

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

pseudorandom name posted:

let me know when Google Maps is allowed to respond to Siri voice commands, replace the lock screen, use custom banner notification icons or share data usage between apps

i'm guessing you think iTunes is also anti-competitive

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
i really would like to be able to set the default browser + maps on ios so that poo poo stops auto-launching safari

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

computer parts posted:

i'm guessing you think iTunes is also anti-competitive

sure, its the only music app that's allowed to be indexed by Spotlight or respond to Siri. their Podcasts app is also anti-competitive in the same way.

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

pseudorandom name posted:

sure, its the only music app that's allowed to be indexed by Spotlight or respond to Siri. their Podcasts app is also anti-competitive in the same way.

they have a podcasts app?

madeupfred
Oct 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Necc0 posted:

this model actually works for valve, though

Valve is a bullshit company that can't make anything for anything. Literally the only reason people give a poo poo about them is because their CEO is morbidly obese and all of those other incredibly win internet memes.

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

madeupfred posted:

Valve is a bullshit company that can't make anything for anything. Literally the only reason people give a poo poo about them is because their CEO is morbidly obese and all of those other incredibly win internet memes.

dang, brutal!!

madeupfred
Oct 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Smythe posted:

dang, brutal!!

Hey bro, did you hear about that Steam Summer Sale? I heard Gaben is giving away free cake!

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

madeupfred posted:

Hey bro, did you hear about that Steam Summer Sale? I heard Gaben is giving away free cake!

the cake is a lie :iamafag:

madeupfred
Oct 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Smythe posted:

the cake is a lie :iamafag:

No, dude, get this, Gaben ate the cake!!!!

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

madeupfred posted:

No, dude, get this, Gaben ate the cake!!!!

did he cut it with one of his many knives?

madeupfred
Oct 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


ever since the bush admin pulled a hard 180 on the microsoft case the tech industry has just been one gigantic tying orgy.

apple does/did it with the exclusivity of itunes to the idevices (and vice versa) and the in-app payment rules in the app store. google does it with everything and google search. amazon is trying real hard to get users to try their video streaming service by tying it to free 2 day shipping. microsoft is trying to break into single sign-on (again) by requiring you to sign up for a Microsoft Account in Win 8.

it has gotten so bad that the only way to have any chance at breaking into an occupied tech market sector now is to be one of the other monopolistic companies (like apple and ebooks) and the end-game of nearly all startups is to to hope like hell the big tech companies decide to acquire you instead of rolling out their own service via the tying of it to their major strength (what are the odds that spotify continues to exist after apple/google roll out integrated streaming services?).

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duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

bring back president teddy roosevelt

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