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Cerv posted:christ at least be consistent When an argument cannot be won, personal insults will abound.
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May 23, 2014 09:48
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:When an argument cannot be won, personal insults will abound. Nah. You are not worth it.
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May 23, 2014 09:49
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:I see, so now you are saying UKIP isn't a racist party anymore but its members may be racist? That applies to all the parties then doesn't it? Uh, what? You said UKIP can't be racist, they have "coloureds" in the party. I showed you a picture of a Sikh BNP member which kind of unravels that point slightly, so then you go off on a tangent about only people are racist not parties. Is your point that neither the BNP nor UKIP are in fact racist? I'm confused.
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May 23, 2014 09:50
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Man gently caress this country I'm moving to
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May 23, 2014 09:51
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mfcrocker posted:I know it's too late now but please don't vote for No2EU. They're a socialist coalition but plan to promote socialist politics by abstaining from every vote should they get an MEP. That was a funny meeting, you tory plant!! 
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May 23, 2014 09:52
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:When an argument cannot be won, personal insults will abound. If you're a UKIP supporter I'd like to hear your thoughts on their other policy ideas. Flat tax? Legalise handguns? Scrap employment legislation? Double military spending? Privatizing the NHS? Are you a single issue voter? Genuinely interested because most of the UKIP voters I've talked to have no idea what the party stands for beyond 'less immigration'.
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May 23, 2014 09:53
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:I am pretty sure a white supremacist party would not have coloureds? The EDLs Mascot 'Paki' Abdul http://youtu.be/sBT9aoeXdWM Not racist. e: Also Google Guramit Singh. I'd link it myself but I'm phone posting and getting that YouTube link took long enough. KayTee fucked around with this message at 09:59 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 09:55
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Loonytoad Quack posted:Uh, what? You said UKIP can't be racist, they have "coloureds" in the party. I showed you a picture of a Sikh BNP member which kind of unravels that point slightly, so then you go off on a tangent about only people are racist not parties. I have no clue what he thinks anything is.Terms include white supremacist, racist, coloured..
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May 23, 2014 09:57
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I've got a stupid question, what's the difference between the BBC election count and the Guardian one? At the moment the Guardian says Conservatives have 1123 and control 17 councis whereas the BBC says 18 councils and 593 seats. We used that survey thing on the guardian a few days back and voted on the party based on that. Not the most accurate way of doing it but a couple of votes less for UKIP at least (not that I think they'll get far up here).
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May 23, 2014 09:58
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:When an argument cannot be won, personal insults will abound. i've no idea who you think i am, but we've not been engaging in an argument to be won or lost
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May 23, 2014 09:59
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:coloureds No, I'm not part of the scaremongers who hate change, because I didn't vote for loving UKIP. Are you so stupid as to not realise that racial discrimination is also about nationality? That it can refer to 'intra-race' scaremongering? I love this argument - "I hate Romanians and the Roma especially but they're WHITE!!!!!! So I'm NOT RACIST!!!!" Idiot, racism refers to not just skin colour but national origin - is anti-Irish sentiment acceptable to you? Anti-welsh? That poo poo is racist, son.
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May 23, 2014 10:03
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:So far I have seen three Asian UKIP members standing for a seat and one African descent. Are 'they' the people you refer too? I am pretty sure a white supremacist party would not have coloureds? I don't know maybe im stupid, could you explain it to me please? Or are you part of the ignorant scare mongering brigade that doesn't like change? Even a Labour MP stated this morning that this smear campaign will have to stop now as UKIP needs to be taken seriously and worked with from now on. *terms and conditions apply, definition of people subject to change. UKIP is not liable for any instances of discrimination, incrimination or deportation committed by its candidates (apparently). UKIP is an equal opportunities employer. Except for Romanians, because Nige said so. Or was it Roma? Never mind, one of those, you know what he meant. They all look the same anyway, coming here taking our jobs and lazing about all day on benefits. tooterfish fucked around with this message at 10:12 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 10:06
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DesperateDan posted:About another 20 years and this place might have a chance, I knock it a lot, but I love the near 24/7 availability of decent curried goat Its not all bad. My local district managed to vote two Labour councillors (OK, its not great but its not the Conservatives or UKIP!) Plus the Conservatives lost 7 councilleors (and UKIP only gained 5!) Southend for the most part is wonderful. I have complaints about the MP. He was useless when it came to my wife's UKBA appeal which as he's an arch conservative was to be expected. (As opposed to my old MP David Heath who always seemed to have time for his constituents!) But Southend's pretty awesome all things considered. (Apart from the racist bullshit my wife has to deal with occasionally.) Its certainly a lot nicer than London. Because as someone who has lived there before, gently caress London.
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May 23, 2014 10:09
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Here's one thing I'm curious about; how and when did opposition to the European Union seem to become a predominantly right-wing position, and why did UKIP - a party founded by a former Liberal - never manage to attract the leftist Eurosceptic vote which had previously turned out for Labour and transform into the "right-wing backlash party"? Surely there's as many reasons for the leftists to object to the European Union as the rightists? Further, how much of the antipathy towards the EU is actually antipathy towards the European Convention on Human Rights?
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May 23, 2014 10:12
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:UKIP is now a party to be reckoned with Yes, their control of a mighty no councils marks them out as a true political heavyweight.
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May 23, 2014 10:12
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You're all picking up on the racism but failing to pick up on thisMyrddin_Emrys posted:Maybe we are all tired of voting for our fathers party. As if UKIP aren't a party beloved by old white men who think conservatives aren't like they used to be.
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May 23, 2014 10:19
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Yes, their control of a mighty no councils marks them out as a true political heavyweight. How many of the 16 NOCs are Ukip/X, though?
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May 23, 2014 10:25
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 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ed-9423200.html Independent posted:Ukip blames London election performance on difficulty appealing to the 'educated and cultured' Also for all the "ukip are serious players it's a political earthquake" bullshit they're spouting, they're fourth out of four. 
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May 23, 2014 10:36
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Jedit posted:How many of the 16 NOCs are Ukip/X, though? Basildon is the closest at 12 UKIP vs 17 Con Most of the rest are 0-5 UKIP seats with UKIP having no real voice compared to the others.
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May 23, 2014 10:37
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While I always like seeing Conservatives lose seats, the fact that so many of them have been sucked up by UKIP really suggests the British right is becoming more extreme. And that honestly terrifies me.
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May 23, 2014 10:43
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Labour have regained Croydon, UKIP splitting the Tory vote probably had a small part in that. This is the sort of thing that Tory wonks will be looking at very carefully.
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May 23, 2014 10:43
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:
quote:Ukip press officer Alexandra Philips was quick to gloat about their gains on Twitter, writing: "Dear Other Parties & Their Media Chums and ESPECIALLY to spiteful left wing organisations...IT DIDN'T WORK YO! Love from UKIP Press Office x". She sounds like she knows a things or two about being spiteful.
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May 23, 2014 10:43
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Labour have regained Croydon, UKIP splitting the Tory vote probably had a small part in that. This is the sort of thing that Tory wonks will be looking at very carefully. There was somewhere else in London, I think, that is viewed as an early indicator of next year, just because the council is a Con-Lib Dem coalition. Can't remember it for the life of me.
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May 23, 2014 10:47
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:
Aye - I don't think its particularly game-changing, especially with how they're likely to do at the general election, but you can't deny that seats-wise they've made a rather concrete leap forward. It's symbolism more than anything, the protest votes that the lib dems used to rely on are now firmly within UKIPs camp, I think its worrying that a right-wing 'established' party is now the official protest party (replacing lib dems) and can only hope that this doesn't last. What worries me is what happens in the unlikely scenario that UKIP manages to make a strong (read maybe 1-10 MPs) at the general election. Just finished watching an interview with Farage, apparently now they are deliberately planning to emulate Paddy Ashdown's attempts whilst in charge of the lib dems to 'cement' a political party as official oppositions within the councils where they have just won seats. In the long run, if this works and UKIP don't crash and burn spectacularly (which I reckon they will), by following this strategy they could conceivably make a major change of the likes of the lib dems in the 1992 and the 1997 general elections, doubling the amount of seats they have (it's low, from 18 up to 46, but this would firmly establish as a third party). Don't think it will happen though, for all this talk of the lib dems being 'annihilated' I reckon they still will remain as the third political force in this country.
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May 23, 2014 10:54
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Trickjaw posted:There was somewhere else in London, I think, that is viewed as an early indicator of next year, just because the council is a Con-Lib Dem coalition. Can't remember it for the life of me. Redbridge. Labour also took Hammersmith and Fulham from the Tories, which is mainly down to how badly the incumbents were managing it, being a regular entry in Rotten Boroughs, and Merton from NOC (the Labour led council is pretty good here).
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May 23, 2014 10:58
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A good day to bury bad (or at east embarassing) news; looks like there's a 'fundamental reorganisation' of universal credit being announced.
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May 23, 2014 11:01
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Total Meatlove posted:Lib Dem parliamentary fucks have pissed away Portsmouth Council and it looks like it'll be a UKIP/Tory coalition. Surely that had gently caress-all to do with "Lib Dem parliamentary fucks" and everything to do with the Mike Hancock love in that the local party had going on? It's been national news for a good long time (if Private Eye counts as "national news" that is) Averrences posted:Don't think it will happen though, for all this talk of the lib dems being 'annihilated' I reckon they still will remain as the third political force in this country. Lib Dem MPs tend to be very VERY good at constituency matters which means they tend not to lose their seats unless it's revealed they are monsters or else there's been some fairly obvious illegal stuff from opponents (There's no way that Zac Goldsmith's spending in Richmond Park was legal and even then he was running against the party's most ineffectual MP)
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May 23, 2014 11:03
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:So far I have seen three Asian UKIP members standing for a seat and one African descent. One of whom just resigned because, in her words, the party was incredibly racist. If you don't think UKIP are racist I'm not sure where to begin, it's like someone arguing the sky is actually a giant picture of a dog. I'll start with "Immigration is good, this is an undeniable fact, everything Nigel Farage says is an absolute lie" and, with this in mind, ask you to think about their position on FORNS again.
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May 23, 2014 11:07
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Ha did any one see the shard got hit by lightening? What are those fuckers doing in there? It's like the building from ghost busters.
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May 23, 2014 11:13
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hookerbot 5000 posted:I've got a stupid question, what's the difference between the BBC election count and the Guardian one? At the moment the Guardian says Conservatives have 1123 and control 17 councis whereas the BBC says 18 councils and 593 seats. The Guardian's data will be from the Press Association (or similar), the BBC's data is their own, from their own people on the ground. So it's possible the BBC people are just a bit quicker.
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May 23, 2014 11:21
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Jippa posted:Ha did any one see the shard got hit by lightening? What are those fuckers doing in there? It's like the building from ghost busters. shard more like shart amirite???? #jorts
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May 23, 2014 11:23
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Jippa posted:Ha did any one see the shard got hit by lightening? What are those fuckers doing in there? It's like the building from ghost busters. It's a tall pointy metal thing. It getting hit by lightning shouldn't be a massive surprise. Re: UKIP, has anyone considered the fact that their website describes them as "non-racist"? Does any other party's site make that claim? Check and mate lefties 
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May 23, 2014 11:24
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Party Boat posted:Re: UKIP, has anyone considered the fact that their website describes them as "non-racist"? Does any other party's site make that claim? Check and mate lefties Does it, anymore? I just had a look and I can't see it on the google page description where it used to be.
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May 23, 2014 11:27
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Jippa posted:Ha did any one see the shard got hit by lightening? What are those fuckers doing in there? It's like the building from ghost busters.  I swear to Christ, the first time I saw this I thought it was a shot from Blade Runner.
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May 23, 2014 11:27
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Sundayturks posted:Does it, anymore? I just had a look and I can't see it on the google page description where it used to be. Aha! So they admit they're racist!
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tooterfish posted:"We've got a Brazilian with a rucksack Party Boat posted:Aha! So they admit they're racist! In fairness, they also never claimed to not be sexist or homophobic in their Google profile.
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May 23, 2014 11:35
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lenoon posted:That poo poo is racist, son. Hey man you can't just call people racist, that's rude, because racist is a bad word. Apologise immediately! (I have no idea when this started by the way, has it always been verboten in politics to make a factual statement about someone else's character if the fact is that they're poo poo?)
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I'm keen to see the Northern Ireland results, though owing to our typically slightly-higher turnout compared to the rest of the UK, it tends to take about longer to count. As I mentioned previously, I gave my first preference on both ballots to NI21, so as you can no doubt imagine, I'm pre-emptively disappointed because they seem to have gone and gutted themselves overnight. All my other preferences went to mostly unionist parties (which, if I might hazard a guess, probably won't make me terribly popular in this thread?), though I also put Alliance down as third and fourth on both ballots and cast a vote for the Green candidate purely because he was a tutor of mine at Queen's. 
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