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Kangra posted:Onan gets just as baldy mangled Considering how old the Bible is and how often it has been translated, revised, interpreted and otherwise altered it's a miracle that any of the content makes sense.
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Neruz posted:Considering how old the Bible is and how often it has been translated, revised, interpreted and otherwise altered it's a miracle that any of the content makes sense. In fact, what translation? The Bible was originally written in English, wasn't it? God's own language! (ok I'm getting a little strawmanny here but people actually believe that first part)
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May 14, 2014 09:28
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JT Jag posted:No, see, the King James (or New International, depending on who you talk to) version of the Bible is God's own word. There are no flaws in the translation whatsoever, which was delivered by divine providence. I like to respond to people saying the first part that by that logic that would make either King James himself or the 47 scholars (or possibly all of them) Prophets who heard the word of God. That usually shuts them up. E: This is also a fun image 
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May 14, 2014 10:16
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Whenever I see that poster or something like it I remember a sermon from waaay so many years ago where my parents' pastor was very excited about "the red thread of the blood" or something, about how if you go through the Bible and ignore certain details like every contradiction on that poster, there's all these other details that match up exactly and all point to Jesus. And I'm just kind of, "yes, that was more or less the point of the Canonization, I'm almost certain."
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May 14, 2014 22:09
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Neruz posted:I like to respond to people saying the first part that by that logic that would make either King James himself or the 47 scholars (or possibly all of them) Prophets who heard the word of God. That usually shuts them up. I find it amazing that, nevermind the contradictions between verses within the same chapter, we have Genesis and bloody Revelations in contradiction 
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May 14, 2014 22:39
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Neruz posted:I like to respond to people saying the first part that by that logic that would make either King James himself or the 47 scholars (or possibly all of them) Prophets who heard the word of God. That usually shuts them up. I would much rather see this done with the original Greek or Hebrew versions.
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May 14, 2014 22:51
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oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...
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IronSaber posted:I would much rather see this done with the original Greek or Hebrew versions. I don't know of any pithy contradictions in the Greek or Hebrew versions of the Bible posters but I'm sure that a Bible scholar somewhere has compiled a list. I understand that the Hebrew versions at least are open to a lot of interpretation depending on how you read it or something to that effect.
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May 15, 2014 10:14
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 If this video doesn't speak to why the combat in this game is fun as heck and not just a dumb generic shooter, then shut up you're blind. Granted I've still primarily only really used about 3 or 4 vigors but I promise there's plenty of room to use more in later videos. (There's a whole DLC based on wave based combat!) Sorry I didn't update sooner. My sleep routine had crumbled to the point where I had about ~30 minutes of time to use my mic each night before everyone in the house went to bed so I couldn't get it done. Things are cool now.
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May 23, 2014 16:23
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Such a fun chapter. Aww man, Sundowner, I'm gettin antsy.
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May 23, 2014 17:16
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I love how Elizabeth opened a portal to Kansas to get rid of those doctors at the beginning.
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May 23, 2014 17:26
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Disco Infiva posted:I love how Elizabeth opened a portal to Kansas to get rid of those doctors at the beginning. Reverse-OZ-maneuver!
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May 23, 2014 17:58
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Did the animators get lazy with Elizabeth's head and eye movements during the short dialog in the elevator? She looked like a spooky marionette or something.
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May 23, 2014 18:15
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Speedball posted:Reverse-OZ-maneuver! There are a few parallels that can be made with that story, yes? Columbia is our Emerald City; Comstock is our Wizard, with his flair for the dramatic (remember the big booming facecam?), AND our Wicked Witch, with his everything else; Lutece is our Glinda; and Elizabeth would be our Dorothy, and while she has only the one companion, that companion is by different turns brainless, heartless, and cowardly.  (This may have all been said before, but I'm bored, so I felt it bore repeating.) But yes, the combat is ridiculously fun, and Sundowner does do a good job showing it off. A good antidote to the ducking and shooting of still far too many games.
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May 23, 2014 18:17
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Wow, that's a pretty intense set of sequences. I really should've picked this up when it was available for free on PSPlus. Just a quick comment on the video itself though; I don't know if I just hadn't noticed before but there were some quick cuts that made things a tiny bit confusing for a second. Nothing really detracting honestly; you've done a really great job on keeping the quality high. Also I hope this isn't considered a 'spoiler' but it just occurred to me who the people in the boat during the opening sequence were. Whoa. Edit: The patriot you fight at 27 minutes with the Lincoln mask makes it look like it has Tingle's face. Extra disturbing! Melondog fucked around with this message at 18:26 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 18:22
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Holy poo poo those patriots at the end were the best.
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May 23, 2014 18:36
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I think the King Lear reference is just a "My brother sees the situation as simple, like a blank page, but I see it as much more complex and intricate, like a play by The Bard."
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May 23, 2014 18:36
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I'd say its more than that given that the core themes of King Lear are the passing of status onto a child, parenthood, madness, egotism, hypocrisy, human nature and progression. "It's just a loving curtain, Elizabeth."
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May 23, 2014 18:45
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IntelligentCalcium posted:Just a quick comment on the video itself though; I don't know if I just hadn't noticed before but there were some quick cuts that made things a tiny bit confusing for a second. Nothing really detracting honestly; you've done a really great job on keeping the quality high. I've been trying to incorporate cuts now and then that cut out sometimes up to a minute of me just puttering around doing nothing important. I usually try and do it in such a way that when I look somewhere, it cuts roughly back to there after I come back from doing menial exploration (as in, me looking for ammo or something - nothing worth seeing). If it's distracting or breaking the flow of things I'll try cut down on it or find a better way to edit around it. This update would have been like 35 minutes long if I kept all of the times where I literally just scan entire rooms/areas for things only to end up finding nothing more than a half eaten cake and a pack of smokes in a trash can.
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May 23, 2014 18:46
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resurgam40 posted:There are a few parallels that can be made with that story, yes? Columbia is our Emerald City; Comstock is our Wizard, with his flair for the dramatic (remember the big booming facecam?), AND our Wicked Witch, with his everything else; Lutece is our Glinda; and Elizabeth would be our Dorothy, and while she has only the one companion, that companion is by different turns brainless, heartless, and cowardly. ynohtna posted:"It's just a loving curtain, Elizabeth." Pay no attention to that
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May 23, 2014 18:50
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Sundowner posted:I've been trying to incorporate cuts now and then that cut out sometimes up to a minute of me just puttering around doing nothing important. I usually try and do it in such a way that when I look somewhere, it cuts roughly back to there after I come back from doing menial exploration (as in, me looking for ammo or something - nothing worth seeing). If it's distracting or breaking the flow of things I'll try cut down on it or find a better way to edit around it. I totally understand; nobody likes to play a bunch of backtracking let alone watch it. If it wouldn't be too much of a pain, could you try just a quick fade out/in maybe?
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May 23, 2014 19:25
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I am kind of curuious about just what the military assets of Columbia were before the Dewitt and Elizabeth went threw them... Also the Vox I guess.
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May 23, 2014 19:26
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The more this is getting played through, the more I'm glad I didn;t get the game; I think I would be too annoyed to enjoy it properly - e.g. why on earth would the Vox Pop. give THEIR motorised patriots devil horns? I can understand the shoddy Lincoln mask, but keeping the horns aesthetic from the Brotherhood of the Crow painting is just... I dunno, stupid. Good LP, though.
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May 23, 2014 20:03
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Samovar posted:The more this is getting played through, the more I'm glad I didn;t get the game; I think I would be too annoyed to enjoy it properly - e.g. why on earth would the Vox Pop. give THEIR motorised patriots devil horns? I can understand the shoddy Lincoln mask, but keeping the horns aesthetic from the Brotherhood of the Crow painting is just... I dunno, stupid. Good LP, though. They might have just stolen a bunch of Lincoln masks that happened to have those and not cared enough to take them off.
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May 23, 2014 20:12
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Given the other comments Rosalind makes, it seems like the King Lear reference is a question of determinism vs. free will. Her brother thinks that the events they don't want to happen can be wiped clean, while she is on the side of fate.Gloucester posted:O you mighty gods! And, only slightly relevant to that matter, but somehow fitting to the game, there's this: King Lear posted:Now, all the plagues that in the pendulous air
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May 23, 2014 20:31
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Samovar posted:The more this is getting played through, the more I'm glad I didn;t get the game; I think I would be too annoyed to enjoy it properly - e.g. why on earth would the Vox Pop. give THEIR motorised patriots devil horns? I can understand the shoddy Lincoln mask, but keeping the horns aesthetic from the Brotherhood of the Crow painting is just... I dunno, stupid. Good LP, though. I figured it was an irony thing. Using what the enemy thinks Lincoln is against them.
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Feinne posted:They might have just stolen a bunch of Lincoln masks that happened to have those and not cared enough to take them off. That, or they wanted their patriots to embodies revolution and reversal of mores? "Oh, you consider us agents of Satan? Well we'll show you demons then!". e:f;b
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May 24, 2014 00:39
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So here's a question: Exactly where and when are we at this point? To recap for my own sanity here, we start in universe 1 at time 1 at the lighthouse. Booker goes to Columbia, all hell breaks loose at the raffle, etc etc, rescue Elizabeth, steal the lady comstock airship, she brains him for lying about Paris. Booker wakes up in what I assume is still U1T1 (plus a couple hours) and the Vox have taken over the airship, demanding Booker get them guns. Booker and Elizabeth reunite, go to find Chen, Chen's dead, we move to Universe 2. U2, Chen's alive but brain-wonky, tools missing, search for tools. Tools found in impound, we move to Universe 3. U3: Is this the same time? Is it some distance in the future? Did U3's Booker get there earlier than U1's booker to help spark the Vox revolution? There must be some kind of time discrepancy if U3's Booker is already dead and gone and a martyr. This universe also begs the question: Is there only one unique Elizabeth throughout spacetime, even though there seem to be many Bookers, many Comstocks, many everyone else? So we get to Comstock House, still in U3, T(?). We know Elizabeth isn't biologically related to anyone we've met, since Comstock is sterile, and that her appearance is related to the Luteces messing about with tears. Anyway Songbird takes Elizabeth, Booker gives chase, and poof, snow. It's suggested that 6 months have passed, but do we know that for certain? Given the huge Liz shrine, her evangelical speeches, and just how friggin' weird the climb through Comstock House is, it seems like this point is well farther into the future. How far, though? When we find Liz again, Booker takes her hand and she shows him the attack on NY, but we get that flash that indicates we've gone through another tear. I guess it doesn't REALLY matter, but it'd be nice to know. Anyway, Old Liz sends Booker 'back', but now I've really lost track. Are we 'back' in U3 or another universe? We're clearly in a universe where the Vox revolution is in full swing, given their possession of weaponry and airships. We're also clearly at a critical point in time, where Comstock is about to 'break' Liz, but there's no clear indication of when this is aside from what's visible of the city being in flames. Also does any of this even matter or am I just waaay overthinking it?
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Kangra posted:Given the other comments Rosalind makes, it seems like the King Lear reference is a question of determinism vs. free will. Her brother thinks that the events they don't want to happen can be wiped clean, while she is on the side of fate. Yeah, that's definitely true. One of her audio logs was called 'What's Done is Done'. It's interesting that Robert and Rosalind differ so markedly in philosophy.
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IntelligentCalcium posted:So here's a question: Exactly where and when are we at this point? Presumably she sends you back to U3, since you initially went through a tear (to 1983 psycho dimension) in front of Comstock House after Elizabeth was taken to Comstock by Songbird. After meeting old Elizabeth you are plopped back in one of the rooms of Comstock House and come upon Elizabeth being siphoned by Comstock and the labrats.
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I'm curious about where those Patriot Pods went after Booker fired them down. Is there some unfortunate town somewhere in Maine with a platoon of clockwork Benjamins Franklin slaughtering everyone?
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May 24, 2014 14:08
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Columbia is still above the seas, so no one got killed by robopropaganda.
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May 24, 2014 14:17
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All of this wholesale slaughter and constant shooting I personally find cheapens the storyline and characterization immensely. "I'm afraid of you" - a thing Booker says to the character who has so far killed 2 of her captors total, as he prepares to jump atop airships to brutally murder hundreds more men than he already has. Also, since you were wondering about the timeline when you rescue Elizabeth: you were getting into Comstock House in July, then jumped into old Elizabeth universe, then presumably back to one where she is still saveable and find a log from the doctor dated December 1912. I don't remember if the game takes place in 1911 o 1912, but I'd wager either a year and 5 months or 5 months.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I'm curious about where those Patriot Pods went after Booker fired them down. Is there some unfortunate town somewhere in Maine with a platoon of clockwork Benjamins Franklin slaughtering everyone? Charles Lock's Clockwork Comstocks! Coming soon to a town near you. mortons stork posted:All of this wholesale slaughter and constant shooting I personally find cheapens the storyline and characterization immensely. Well now that she's prepared to really get serious with her tear powers, yes. She opened a giant portal to a tornado in Kansas, at will, twice. What she can do is on a whole different scale than what Booker could ever hope to achieve. And more importantly he doesn't understand why and how she has those powers, and how far they can go. people tend to fear the unknown. Even Booker, electric death god he is, is right to fear her. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 14:27 on May 24, 2014 |
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mortons stork posted:"I'm afraid of you" - a thing Booker says to the character who has so far killed 2 of her captors total, as he prepares to jump atop airships to brutally murder hundreds more men than he already has. To be fair, Booker hasn't faced anyone who can tear open an absolutely huge tear to Kansas while a tornado draws ever closer. I think it's implied he's afraid of what she's possibly capable of, not what she provably has done.
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Iceclaw posted:Columbia is still above the seas, so no one got killed by robopropaganda. Well, that's unfortunate. Would have made a hell of a DLC campaign.
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May 24, 2014 14:27
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In a way it kind of helps it. Here you have a guy who's run roughshod over half the population of this floating country, who has stared down squad after squad of trained and untrained soldiers, and who was willing to throw himself against Robobird as many times as it took (even if unsuccessfully, and offscreen). And it's Elizabeth he's actually afraid of
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Sundowner posted:To be fair, Booker hasn't faced anyone who can tear open an absolutely huge tear to Kansas while a tornado draws ever closer. I think it's implied he's afraid of what she's possibly capable of, not what she provably has done. Yeah but the thing is, she's the one with restraint in the duo. He has spent the past however many days charging forward into shootout after shootout and being the only one alive at the end of each. After that show of superhuman resilience and bloodlust, I wouldn't think he'd be more than mildly concerned about potentially apocalypse-ushering powers. And again, you can expect Elizabeth will exercise restraint in turning to doomsday powers, while he's been zapping around in the air, electrocuting people, followed by setting on fire and shooting those who didn't instantly die almost whimsically.
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May 24, 2014 14:33
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mortons stork posted:Yeah but the thing is, she's the one with restraint in the duo. He has spent the past however many days charging forward into shootout after shootout and being the only one alive at the end of each. After that show of superhuman resilience and bloodlust, I wouldn't think he'd be more than mildly concerned about potentially apocalypse-ushering powers. And again, you can expect Elizabeth will exercise restraint in turning to doomsday powers, while he's been zapping around in the air, electrocuting people, followed by setting on fire and shooting those who didn't instantly die almost whimsically. As you say, she's the one who's been showing restraint. Now she seems to have decided to stop.
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My only real issue with the "I'm afraid of you" exchange is where it comes in the narrative. It feels awkward and out of place. I like the exchange and I like the implications, but I feel like it would've been more powerful (and made more sense) if it came directly after Elizabeth actually did something big and scary with her reality-warping powers, not ten minutes later. Where it is now, it just kind of feels like the developers were like, "Hey, this would be super great for a trailer. Wait, poo poo, where do we put it?" Booker being afraid of what she can do, though, that's completely valid, especially considering what he just went through getting to her 1983 future self.
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