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A Sloth posted:Labour's social engineering and mass immigration programme to redefine us as a "truly multicultural people" hasn't worked completely. And the fallout is glorious. The last labour government took part in an escapade that has killed hundreds of thousands of muslims, it is their fault we've lurched to the right because they forgot what Marx taught them about capitalist imperialist wars being used to keep the working people of the world divided and fighting against each other. We were a multi-cultural country before 1997. Way before then. Multi-culturalism isn't the problem, poo poo like bombing and shooting the gently caress out of Iraq, supporting fascists in the Ukraine, spying, bombing. Basically all that poo poo is the problem. Not multi-cultrualism. We forgot that an act of aggressive war is the supreme crime from which all others follow. Great Britain has committed the same crimes that saw the Nazis hang and now we're surprised that we have a load of fascists on our own. To me the interesting thing about the rise of fascism and racism and all that poo poo is not that it was inherently German or Italian or Spanish but that it could happen anywhere. Germany was a smart, well educated industrialised nation. If it could happen there it could happen anywhere. And lo and behold we fight a war for our 'religion' our 'culture' are 'freedoms' against muslims, I mean 'radical extremists' and it's no loving surprise that the UKIPS and the BNPS and the Golden DAwns or whatever the gently caress are on the march. JFairfax fucked around with this message at 20:44 on May 23, 2014 |
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Spangly A posted:As brought up, we're having an identity crisis. And it's pretty clear that the response of "we never had an identity" isn't helping, it's just allowed UKIP to provoke a swing to the right without us in the left being able to do anything about it. That's the thing though, 'we' aren't having an identity crisis because the British identity is a completely fluid and subjective thing. I'm sure not having one because of other Brits who have different physical characteristics from me (I have blue eyes, I'm a minority in my own country), or because there are people from other countries here too, or because Woolworths isn't around anymore. Other people apparently are. The question is more about why some people have such a narrow, conservative and fixed idea of what the country should be like, and why the fact that its changing (as all things do) is such a threat to them. And it's complicated - one of the big parts on that Farage interview for me was the sheer hypocrisy of it all. How does someone who 'works' in Europe, a place of many spoken languages, and whose own wife and kids are German-speaking immigrants, feel uncomfortable hearing people speaking foreign languages in Britain? I'm tempted to think it's sheer political rhetoric, but I know lots of people with the same attitudes. "I'm married to an immigrant and some of my family are recent EU immigrants, but there are too many immigrants and they should all go home." There's alienation just because as people get older all their familiar references change, and it seems like everything's moving along without them and everything is being replaced, and their opinions aren't relevant anymore. I'm not sure exactly what you can do about that to keep them engaged with society. And the other part is the fact that things are poo poo, people are having a hard time, and certain groups are easily demonised and made into the Other. So you have things like scrounger rhetoric ("we didn't do this in my day, we got on our bikes and found work!"), and of course immigrants. Paint them as a problem and then point to the signs of their existence, like some creeping influence changing the country for the worse. It's a political tool to manipulate people, and whether or not they're preying on an existing sense of unease and fear, it's a systemic problem that needs to be addressed. And it will take a lot of unwinding
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May 23, 2014 20:47
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Spangly A posted:Lets focus on helping ease their fears. England has always been a land of immigrants, and that is our heritage. That is what being British has meant through history. If we can make people understand that their kids will see everything they grow up with as being their home, even if it's different to what we remember, and that they will be as British as we have ever been, then perhaps we can fight off the arseholes using peoples concerns about the legacy of their home to gently caress over the less fortunate. It's an extremely tumblr idea but I'm pretty sure Doctor Who would be a perfect starting point for this kind of angle 
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May 23, 2014 21:02
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Kegluneq posted:Oh gods, please tell me they're not basing it on the KW Jeter books I know this was a few pages back, but can someone please explain the difference between a slut and a slag?
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May 23, 2014 21:09
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winegums posted:I know this was a few pages back, but can someone please explain the difference between a slut and a slag? He is using the old fashioned meaning of slut, which is a woman who is lazy/bad at housework.
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May 23, 2014 21:12
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winegums posted:I know this was a few pages back, but can someone please explain the difference between a slut and a slag? That's like trying to explain the difference between a oval office and a twat, there is none.
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May 23, 2014 21:20
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:oval office Careful now.
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May 23, 2014 21:25
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Renaissance Robot posted:It's an extremely tumblr idea but I'm pretty sure Doctor Who would be a perfect starting point for this kind of angle Doctor Who.
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May 23, 2014 21:31
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So that rumour about EU voters being turned away turned out to be true and a bit worse than I originally thought. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ll-9427571.html
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May 23, 2014 21:35
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One thing I keep seeing from David Cameron today is his statement of 'The Conservative party does not do pact or deals!' What the hell did he do with the Lib Dems in the last general election to get his the role of Prime Minister then?
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May 23, 2014 21:40
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Pissflaps posted:Doctor Who. Stupid times call for stupid measures 
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May 23, 2014 21:40
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:One thing I keep seeing from David Cameron today is his statement of 'The Conservative party does not do pact or deals!' Not to stick up for Cameron, but I thought the "pacts" being talked about were pre-election agreements rather than official post-election coalition agreements. A pre-election pact is pretty much admitting that you can't win on your own... Not something that a party leader wants to say, especially to the Tories who have a history of stabbing each other in the back. Also a pact with UKIP would just push more votes the kippers way, and alienate the more centrist Tories who may defect .
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May 23, 2014 21:45
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:One thing I keep seeing from David Cameron today is his statement of 'The Conservative party does not do pact or deals!' Hey, at least he's being honest this time. 
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May 23, 2014 21:46
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A Sloth posted:Yeah, all those white North Western Europeans. Most 'mongrel' nation in Europe. Right yes the Picts, Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Vikings, Normans, they're all basically the same. And then that whole Empire business where we conquered a quarter of the planet and the greatest trading and naval power on Earth, all the people, goods, and cultural elements we imported from everywhere from Jamaica to India, our constant interactions with every other power on Earth, that never affected Britishness either. Then we've been involved in more than one major international alliance which has forged enduring links with other countries. Oh and the modern globalized era where we're all absorbing culture from across the globe and interacting with our colonial progeny in a rich and complex back-and-forth exchange of ideas, media, and people, nope, just pure British here. It's not a few loving foreigners mingling, shitlord. It's the entire basis of a British ethnicity being a laughable notion because Britain hasn't been free of massive waves of foreign genetic input for about seven thousand years.
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May 23, 2014 21:56
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I find the people that spout this shite have an even odder concept of racial purity than good old NSDAP Nordicists. Like, way to deny an ethnic group because a few foreigners mingled shitlord.
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Mister Adequate posted:Right yes the Picts, Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Vikings, Normans, they're all basically the same. And then that whole Empire business where we conquered a quarter of the planet and the greatest trading and naval power on Earth, all the people, goods, and cultural elements we imported from everywhere from Jamaica to India, our constant interactions with every other power on Earth, that never affected Britishness either. Then we've been involved in more than one major international alliance which has forged enduring links with other countries. Oh and the modern globalized era where we're all absorbing culture from across the globe and interacting with our colonial progeny in a rich and complex back-and-forth exchange of ideas, media, and people, nope, just pure British here. I'm first generation, mixed race, son of an immigrant, swarthy foreign.... And I'm teaching your white children....ah ha ha ha ha. Now, where do I claim these, how you say, bennyfitz?
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May 23, 2014 22:06
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Heh. "Prime Minister Balls". 
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:One thing I keep seeing from David Cameron today is his statement of 'The Conservative party does not do pact or deals!' He let Clegg sit at the big boys table as long as he didnt say too much and did what he was told.
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May 23, 2014 22:13
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HortonNash posted:Also a pact with UKIP would just push more votes the kippers way, and alienate the more centrist Tories who may defect . Polling* indicates that an official pact between UKIP and the Tories would see both parties lose support. It is a terrible idea for both of them which is why I dearly hope they do it. *The polling is sporadic, a little out of date at this point, didn't cover all possible options when it comes to "pacts", and I would expect to see some more up-to-date stuff shortly.
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May 23, 2014 22:58
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Ha, a Bangladeshi mob has formed outside of the Tower Hamlets count and the police are guarding it, not allowing Labour activists to leave. 
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May 23, 2014 23:05
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May 23, 2014 23:08
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Regarde Aduck posted:Why is that good? Because he's a sad inadequate racist.
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May 23, 2014 23:17
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A Sloth posted:Ha, a Bangladeshi mob has formed outside of the Tower Hamlets count and the police are guarding it, not allowing Labour activists to leave. "A bangladeshi mob" == a couple of local activists making noise about the fact Lutfur looks like he's going to lose. But no, this is definitely the beginning of the Sharia Revolution As The Prophet Fartage Has Foretold (I only just realised how easy Farage is typoed to Fartage and I think I'm going to keep on with that)
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May 23, 2014 23:38
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Serotonin posted:Because he's a sad inadequate racist. Inadequate? Man that aint nice, don't knock him on the only thing he's actually good at
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May 23, 2014 23:40
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goddamnedtwisto posted:"A bangladeshi mob" == a couple of local activists making noise about the fact Lutfur looks like he's going to lose. The Guardian posted:In Tower Hamlets, Rajeev Syal adds that more than 150 police officers have been counted outside the building by political activists, along side more than 300 young, mainly Bangladeshi men.
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May 23, 2014 23:41
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So they've just followed the bullshit put out by a couple of local Tory stooges on Twitter hook, line and sinker. I've literally just come back from the Troxy and there's literally maybe 30 or so lads a bit overexcited by the rumour that Lutfur won the first-choice votes and confused by the fact he didn't win as a result. There's more violent and dangerous things happening outside every pub in London right now, but noooo, this time it's brown people so it's loving Armageddon.
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May 23, 2014 23:45
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marktheando posted:He is using the old fashioned meaning of slut, which is a woman who is lazy/bad at housework. quote:They that wash on Monday I think it's entirely plausible that Bloom was simply describing women as being bad at housework (which is a lovely thing to say anyway), without being aware that it could be understood in a different sense now. He's basically a massive loving anachronism.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So they've just followed the bullshit put out by a couple of local Tory stooges on Twitter hook, line and sinker. I've literally just come back from the Troxy and there's literally maybe 30 or so lads a bit overexcited by the rumour that Lutfur won the first-choice votes and confused by the fact he didn't win as a result. 30 is a little small looking at the pictures. And the police felt the need to barricade the doors and not allow Labour activists to leave. Are Labour activists Tories? (Well I guess sort of...) Another thing to hold in mind is the police presence today at Tower Hamlets polling stations due to high risk of fraud. Along with Birmingham, Oldham and Bradford. A little looking into of voter intimidation by the coppers there to.
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May 24, 2014 00:05
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It's great to see those British people in Tower Hamlets so enthused about politics and democracy. Unlike 65% of the electorate.
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May 24, 2014 00:19
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Sorry for a random interjection but I have literally no facial recognition skills whatsoever, I know from the context that this is a UK politician but could someone identify them for me? It's to make a sassy comeback on Facebook so I'd rather not get the politician wrong but prosopagnosia is tripping me up here.
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May 24, 2014 00:24
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This is from like ten pages ago but does gimp not also mean limp or difficulty walking in British English? I (as an AMERICAN) work with several people from the UK and also commonwealth countries and don't want to accidentally offend anyone or come off as a homophobe or something by calling my leg gimpy if I hurt it and have trouble walking or something. 
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Vitamin P posted:Sorry for a random interjection but I have literally no facial recognition skills whatsoever, I know from the context that this is a UK politician but could someone identify them for me? It's Nick Clegg isn't it? 
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Vitamin P posted:Sorry for a random interjection but I have literally no facial recognition skills whatsoever, I know from the context that this is a UK politician but could someone identify them for me? That's Dianne Abbott. Good luck in owning your dad on facebook.
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May 24, 2014 00:35
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Aliginge posted:It's Nick Clegg isn't it? I thought it looked too young for him and the nose was the wrong shape but I'll go with Cleggsy, thanks.
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May 24, 2014 00:36
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Aliginge posted:It's Nick Clegg isn't it? Trouble is, people actually like Tyrion. Reek would be more fitting.
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May 24, 2014 00:46
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HortonNash posted:Trouble is, people actually like Tyrion. I did say a while back that Clegg was the Reek of British politics...
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A Sloth posted:30 is a little small looking at the pictures. And the police felt the need to barricade the doors and not allow Labour activists to leave. Are Labour activists Tories? (Well I guess sort of...) Lol literally all that happened was the crowd that had gathered for Lutfur's victory party thought they could go in because the count was up, gathered around the doors, then the police asked them to move back out of the way so people could get in and out. That's it. Now unless you've got another narrative - and one with pretty big loving proof if you're going to go throwing around words like "Bangladeshi mob" - then shut the gently caress up with your thrice-recycled LOOK AT THE SCARY WOGS bullshit. I'm not for one minute denying that there are problems with voter fraud in TH, by the way, and the Police have made multiple arrests over it. However - outside of the more histrionic members of all sides in the area - nobody actually believes they're going to make much of a difference to the outcome this time. And nobody (again, outside of those who like to stir up a bit of racial hatred) is talking about voter intimidation at the polling places in TH. The only people who feel intimidated are the Tory voters I've mentioned before too scared to set foot on a council estate to cast their votes, lest they see someone on less than a million quid a year.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Lol literally all that happened was the crowd that had gathered for Lutfur's victory party thought they could go in because the count was up, gathered around the doors, then the police asked them to move back out of the way so people could get in and out. That's it. Now unless you've got another narrative - and one with pretty big loving proof if you're going to go throwing around words like "Bangladeshi mob" - then shut the gently caress up with your thrice-recycled LOOK AT THE SCARY WOGS bullshit. How many excuses are you going to make before you accept the truth that RaHoWa is nigh? 
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Luftur Rahman is confirmed to have won the Tower Hamlets mayoral election, with 37,395 votes to John Biggs's (Labour) 34,143 in the second round.
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A Sloth posted:Please move out the way.... This feels like a magic-eye picture for racists; relax your eyes and hate asians enough and a mob of hundreds of rabid islamic terrorists will materialise out of the blurry photos of policemen's backs and a small crowd milling about.
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