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Linedance posted:Porsche builds a decent range of sports cars, the rest is just cashing in on a badge. It enriches shareholders, not automobile enthusiasts. That's.... What a for profit business is supposed to do.
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The Hellcat is full of piss and vinegar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU2d3YpJVYk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r1bOZd7T8Q Tekne fucked around with this message at 18:59 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 18:56
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Tekne posted:The Hellcat is full of piss and vinegar. I need this in my life so bad. It sounds meaner than a Viper.
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eyebeem posted:That's.... What a for profit business is supposed to do. No one's saying it's illegal for them to make suv's, just that as a race car company you look a lot cooler if you aren't making soccermom-mobiles. Comcast is a for profit company but they don't have a whole lot of good will with consumers, so there can certainly be more to business than just money. I think Porsche getting back into LMP races does a good job of getting back some of that racing credibility.
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May 23, 2014 20:05
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Dear Porsche: stop being uncool, bro.
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May 23, 2014 20:44
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For the record I saw an opening for a sarcastic quip and I took it. I don't really care what Porsche makes. Some of the owners should be a little ashamed, though. Also that Hellcat sounds like the #1 car most likely to piss off everyone else in your neighborhood.
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May 23, 2014 21:20
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Maybe it's just me but Porsche isn't a race car company. It's always been a company that sells expensive trophy cars for doctors and lawyers, just now they sell trophy SUVs to their wives as well. Every car they sell is capable of driving around with performance you'd expect out of a Porsche so I can't really understand the hate for some of their cars don't have the body style I'd prefer. The only way I'd be able to reconcile that is the badge on an SUV devaluing my enjoyment out of my non-SUV Porsche, and if that's the case then it's a problem with me, not the company. Companies make money above all else, everything else is secondary. I hate SUVs and CUVs too so.... KakerMix fucked around with this message at 23:48 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 22:13
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Reminder that Porsche is the company which sells the cheaper to build hardtop version of their roadster at a significant premium because gently caress you and who intentionally cripple their smaller mid-engine cars so as to not drastically out-perform their intrinsically flawed halo car, all the while making more money per unit sold than any other manufacturer including Lamborghini. Porsche largely exists for those who won't be seen in a lowly BMW but can't afford a Ferrari, they're one of the most successful examples of marketing and branding in the world.
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May 23, 2014 22:41
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Why can't Mercedes and BMW make the E63 and M5 sound like that Challenger. 
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Tekne posted:The Hellcat is full of piss and vinegar. First time a video has made one of my cats jump up, hiss at the computer, and then run away. Good lord that thing sounds angry.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Why can't Mercedes and BMW make the E63 and M5 sound like that Challenger. V8's and V-Twins are American that's why the rest of these worlds are yours
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Counterpoint, the Americans get their asses whipped by the Italians on V-twins, there's no reason V-8s should be a refuge E: One could argue the Italians smoke the US on V-8s as well
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Snowdens Secret posted:Counterpoint, the Americans get their asses whipped by the Italians on V-twins, there's no reason V-8s should be a refuge Last I checked the 455 was an American engine (even if GM killed off the brands that used them).
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eyebeem posted:That's.... What a for profit business is supposed to do. So why don't those rules apply to the 911? Why is that somehow the exception? You really think they build those other models so that they can afford to keep building the true and pure 911, sold to us, the greatful consumer, really as just a favour? It's killing them, I'm sure, to let us have the 911 so cheap. They've got to put their kids through college too, but since we're such good pals, fellow enthusiasts, for us they'll make an exception to the normal rules of business and sell us a 911. Won't make a dime on it at all, honest. You eat that poo poo up? I know plenty of people must, because they keep posting that "it's OK because it means they can keep making the 911" tripe. gently caress that. gently caress the 911 and everything it stands for. I want to see a world full of self driving Priuses filled to the brim with smug. It's OK because it means Toyota can make an IS-F.
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Y'all care a lot about what cars some company makes in an effort to make money. If you like 911s that is cool. If you don't like 911s that is also cool. If you think Porsches are overrated dumb poo poo, great! If you think that Porsches are the greatest thing ever, great! Who gives a gently caress?
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Porsche made an SUV? RAAAAAAGE 911's are cool bro.
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Wheeee posted:Reminder that Porsche is the company which sells the cheaper to build hardtop version of their roadster at a significant premium because gently caress you and who intentionally cripple their smaller mid-engine cars so as to not drastically out-perform their intrinsically flawed halo car, all the while making more money per unit sold than any other manufacturer including Lamborghini. More like Porsche exists for people who want a sports car (vs. an overweight sedan/GT, see: BMW) that also starts every time and you can daily drive (cf. Ferrari). Mr. Apollo posted:Why can't Mercedes and BMW make the E63 and M5 sound like that Challenger. Maybe it can be a firmware update for the dash speaker OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:29 on May 24, 2014 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Y'all care a lot about what cars some company makes in an effort to make money. If you like 911s that is cool. If you don't like 911s that is also cool. If you think Porsches are overrated dumb poo poo, great! If you think that Porsches are the greatest thing ever, great! Who gives a gently caress? Y'all are missing the point of my incoherent raging. I'm not bothered that Porsche makes gold plated volkswagens or ugly limos, or good sports cars, or that they make boatloads of money on every single one. What bothers me is that people think that the fact that they actually make a few decent sports cars frees them from any criticism. That you aren't allowed to call a turd a turd, because they make ~~911s~~, and yet people can hate and rage all the day long about priuses and smart cars as if other companies have to abide by some other set of rules, because they don't make ~~911s~~.
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This is where I point out that the Cayenne almost buried Porsche, and they've doubled down on that game plan.Snowdens Secret posted:Counterpoint, the Americans get their asses whipped by the Italians on V-twins, there's no reason V-8s should be a refuge Who cares, when it comes to exhaust notes, the V-Twin and V8 are firmly American territory, like Guam or the Moon.
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VikingSkull posted:This is where I point out that the Cayenne almost buried Porsche, and they've doubled down on that game plan.
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If they made the 911 with a plastic dash, 270 horsepower and a $30,000 pricetag it would be just as much a 911 as the current one, and would be just as fun. They are just greedy and their customer base has been too fat and old for too long.
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Linedance posted:Y'all are missing the point of my incoherent raging. I'm not bothered that Porsche makes gold plated volkswagens or ugly limos, or good sports cars, or that they make boatloads of money on every single one. What bothers me is that people think that the fact that they actually make a few decent sports cars frees them from any criticism. That you aren't allowed to call a turd a turd, because they make ~~911s~~, and yet people can hate and rage all the day long about priuses and smart cars as if other companies have to abide by some other set of rules, because they don't make ~~911s~~. There's a pretty big gap between the Cayenne/Panamera/Macan and stuff like Priuses and smarts. It seems like most of the criticism is around "well, this car is not a 911, therefore bad."
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MattD1zzl3 posted:If they made the 911 with a plastic dash, 270 horsepower and a $30,000 pricetag it would be just as much a 911 as the current one, and would be just as fun. They are just greedy and their customer base has been too fat and old for too long. Yeah gently caress trying to make money? If there's actually a market and business case for that car, someone, somewhere will build it.
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VikingSkull posted:Who cares, when it comes to exhaust notes, the V-Twin and V8 are firmly American territory, like Guam or the Moon. I was talking about exhaust notes. On the bike side the Americans try to make volume with displacement but cripple themselves giving up some 5000+ RPM to redline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBn2xRPU-t0&t=46s I couldn't find a good dyno pull vid that would show the high RPM sound, and I didn't even look for Ducati vids because that'd just be unfair. It's a similar thing on the car side, and I'll give you that there's a question of taste between the high-RPM scream of the Ferrari and a big-bore domestic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvAC6vaJHxU
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That 355 sounds heavenly. Could be a bit deeper though.
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My uncle has a 993 and it's very different from the 996 and later. I can see what people mean after experiencing the difference, but Porsche is building what sells so whatever.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:If they made the 911 with a plastic dash, 270 horsepower and a $30,000 pricetag it would be just as much a 911 as the current one, and would be just as fun. They are just greedy and their customer base has been too fat and old for too long. Who gives a gently caress? The company is out to make money, not make an Enthusiast Special 911. They sell just fine so I doubt Porsche is concerned over what people who can't afford them think on the internet.
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VikingSkull posted:Who cares, when it comes to exhaust notes, the V-Twin and V8 are firmly American territory, like Guam or the Moon. The Germans make a pretty good claim to V8s: http://youtu.be/6Pu9X-2jFlQ http://youtu.be/xmP2HjjVEwA
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:There's a pretty big gap between the Cayenne/Panamera/Macan and stuff like Priuses and smarts. It seems like most of the criticism is around "well, this car is not a 911, therefore bad." Yea, the Prius is actually an awesome and fantastically practical car which has a solid reason for existing beyond stroking the ego of trophy wives.
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Tekne posted:The Hellcat is full of piss and vinegar. Is that much smoke on start-up normal for a modern car? Or is it just a pre-production oddity? e: I thought it looked like smoke, but you've got me second guessing myself. I'd expect to see condensation on a cold day, but these people are standing around in shorts. Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 20:19 on May 24, 2014 |
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SouthLAnd posted:Is that much smoke on start-up normal for a modern car? Or is it just a pre-production oddity? Smoke or condensation?
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Top Gear just posted a picture of the "bonkers all-electric Mini Superleggera Vision concept" It looks... familiar:  
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Who wouldn't want an electro-German Thunder-chicken.
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Wheeee posted:Yea, the Prius is actually an awesome and fantastically practical car which has a solid reason for existing beyond stroking the ego of trophy wives.
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I don't think those thunderbird revivals look bad. They might have some other issues under the skin but it's a pretty clean design.
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What always impressed me about the DEW98 T-bird was how they managed to make it look like someone had slapped a Thunderbird bodykit on a Chrysler Sebring.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:This and another poster's previous comments about how 911s are for doctors and lawyers and Cayennes are for "their wives" makes it sound like AI lives in the 1950s. Beyond that, how is a Prius not a great car for city-dwellers? It's relatively small and it gets fantastic city mileage. Sorry, I can't help it. I've been living in the UK for too long. I'm moving back to modern times soon though, so hopefully I'll get better. Until then, put a cup of tea on for us, will you luv?
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tetrapyloctomy posted:This and another poster's previous comments about how 911s are for doctors and lawyers and Cayennes are for "their wives" makes it sound like AI lives in the 1950s. Beyond that, how is a Prius not a great car for city-dwellers? It's relatively small and it gets fantastic city mileage. Hey now I meant how the manufacturer perceives it's customers, not how I personally see them.
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