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it seems fair to presume that if the labour NEC expelled rahman, rahman might actually be trying to create a political machine in any case, this would hardly be the first time where New Labour fell in love with the idea of empowering a local executive, only to then find that, surprise surprise, it's no longer a secure Labour post (cough all of Scotland cough)
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A Sloth posted:Please move out the way.... Look how scared you are of non white people. You're a loving idiot.
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May 24, 2014 07:28
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Vitamin P posted:Sorry for a random interjection but I have literally no facial recognition skills whatsoever, I know from the context that this is a UK politician but could someone identify them for me? Gordon ramsey.
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May 24, 2014 07:42
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sloth doesn't need to freak out about rahman, really taking it as given that it is a nascent political machine (and noting that excluded ethnic/religious/class minorities of all kinds do this when they dominate a local office, white or not; machines are hardly a new phenomenon) - there's nowhere it can go; trying to run from the left of Labour means that the tension between culturally conservative British Bangladeshi activists and the (predominantly white) LGBT and feminist activists is liable to cause incidents. A common cause against Tory cuts can only go so far; Respect is one rape coverup incident from being SWP'd into oblivion. part of trying to convert a passionate fringe into a machine is that Rahman needs to have some tools to discipline his own most passionate supporters when they go too far, and I doubt he has any. fringe parties all have this problem (see: UKIP). ronya fucked around with this message at 08:27 on May 24, 2014 |
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May 24, 2014 08:23
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When are the full set of results supposed to be out?
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Jippa posted:When are the full set of results supposed to be out? For councils or Euros? Councils should be finished today - there was only 11 to declare last night - and the Euros don't count until tomorrow.
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May 24, 2014 09:22
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Serotonin posted:Look how scared you are of non white people. You're a loving idiot. A bunch of non whites claiming somebody's "persecution" by the state is because of racism and not their own actions. Never gone awry in London before.
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Jedit posted:For councils or Euros? Councils should be finished today - there was only 11 to declare last night - and the Euros don't count until tomorrow. Euros have all been counted, but cannot be released until tommorrow I thought.
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May 24, 2014 09:39
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A Sloth posted:A bunch of non whites claiming somebody's "persecution" by the state is because of racism and not their own actions. Never gone awry in London before. I'm sure that had nothing to do with how the police treated ethnic minorities like presumed criminals with their stop and search policies. Nope, not at all!
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May 24, 2014 09:49
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A Sloth posted:A bunch of non whites claiming somebody's "persecution" by the state is because of racism and not their own actions. Never gone awry in London before. What actions? Turning up to celebrate the election success? Are you going to admit you responded to the racist dogwhistle on this one like so many other far right imbeciles on Twitter did last night, and got it wrong? You are a joke.
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May 24, 2014 09:52
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A Sloth posted:A bunch of non whites claiming somebody's "persecution" by the state is because of racism and not their own actions. Never gone awry in London before. You know, I can't think of a single time that a group was actually persecuted because of their race. I think every single time was actually them playing the race card for political benefit. Racism is over, people! Wake up! If we stop talking about it it goes away. A Sloth, your opinions are as lazy as your namesake.
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can I point out that the accusations of ethnic intimidation in Tower Hamlets, specifically, have been advanced in public from the far left since the Respect Party split over the issue a while back sloth's particular choice of phrasing is transparently right-wing dogwhistling, yes, but charges of 'communalism' &c. have been floating around for a bit already. One can doubt the left-wing bona fides of Luftur Rahman without decrying British Muslim representation as intrinsically corrupt e: goddamn autocorrect ronya fucked around with this message at 10:04 on May 24, 2014 |
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May 24, 2014 09:59
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All I see is two pictures of lots of police.
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May 24, 2014 10:10
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Touchdown Boy posted:All I see is two pictures of lots of police. I was going to say.
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Ditto - all I'm seeing in those pictures are police standing around.
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May 24, 2014 10:23
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Dugan was totally shot because he was a black and not for carrying firearms. Rahman is being investigated for being a Bangladeshi, not due his history of fraudulent actions and favouring certain ethnic groups. And the pictures don't show the crowd, my point is there was a large police presence for the '30 strong' crowd because they where very near kicking off.
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May 24, 2014 10:30
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The Muslims are using their advanced powers of invisibility that they are famed for.
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May 24, 2014 10:34
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That's not really a large police force when you compare it to the amount of supervision we get at antifa stuff...
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May 24, 2014 10:37
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/21/tower-hamlets-mayor-lutfur-rahman-accusations I hadn't read any thing about this previously? Was the panorama programme recent?
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May 24, 2014 10:39
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A Sloth posted:Dugan was totally shot because he was a black and not for carrying firearms. Rahman is being investigated for being a Bangladeshi, not due his history of fraudulent actions and favouring certain ethnic groups. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8
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May 24, 2014 10:43
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March. There was a Dispatches programme showing his links to the IFE back in 2010 to.
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May 24, 2014 10:46
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TBH I've seen more police patrolling around Cardiff City Centre on any given Friday night/Saturday morning. Double so if there's some sort of sporting thing.
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May 24, 2014 11:05
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Ddraig posted:TBH I've seen more police patrolling around Cardiff City Centre on any given Friday night/Saturday morning. Double so if there's some sort of sporting thing. I once saw three police vehicles and a couple of dozen police officers outside a noodle bar on Mile End Road. Won't someone think of the noodle bars?
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May 24, 2014 11:18
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A Sloth posted:there was a large police presence for the '30 strong' crowd because they where very near kicking off. Yeah going to need you to show your working on this one Here's a hint: the police often overreact, especially when it involves minorities and/or politicians
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Really baffling to see people defending a corrupt character like Rahman, but hey he's a Muslim and a member of a minority group so he can do no wrong right? Well, except for all this: 30 things you need to know about Lutfur Rahman: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100272429/lutfur-rahman-what-you-should-know/ Andrew Gilligan posted:1) In 2008 Rahman (then a Labour councillor) won the leadership of Tower Hamlets council with the close help of an Islamic extremist group, the Islamic Forum of Europe, which which works to create a sharia state and an "Islamic social, economic and political order" in Britain. In secret filming, IFE activists described how they exercised “consolidated… influence and power” over the council.
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I'm trying to work out how Labour having more seats and control of more councils then the Tories, Lib Dems and Ukip combined is some sort of massive failure, particularly as no one was expecting a 1997 style landslide next year? Unless the media are just trying to get a sensationalist story? But when have they ever done that. - Just because people rightly doubted that hordes of Muslims were rioting in the street, doesn't mean their defending the clear corruption in Tower Hamlets. JoylessJester fucked around with this message at 11:39 on May 24, 2014 |
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Gnoll Pie posted:Really baffling to see people defending a corrupt character like Rahman, but hey he's a Muslim and a member of a minority group so he can do no wrong right? Well, except for all this: I can see why you are baffled. Im baffled. I cant see anyone defending Rahman.
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May 24, 2014 11:32
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Yeah, I don't get that either. *Labour wins by far the highest number of seats* *Media describe this as an "awful" result for Labour*
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May 24, 2014 11:35
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No one here is defending Rahman.
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Gnoll Pie posted:Really baffling to see people defending a corrupt character like Rahman, but hey he's a Muslim and a member of a minority group so he can do no wrong right? Well, except for all this: loving hell. I didn't realise it was that bad.
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Gnoll Pie posted:Really baffling to see people defending a corrupt character like Rahman, but hey he's a Muslim and a member of a minority group so he can do no wrong right? Well, except for all this: I've never defended Lutfur, he's corrupt as gently caress and Tower Hamlets politics would make the Medicis blush. What I very strenuously object to is people using the corruption of one borough as justification and reinforcement for their racism. (Of course this isn't helped by all sides of the fight in the Bangladeshi community being willing to jump straight to THEY HANG AROUND WITH MUSLIMS THEREFORE THEY ARE TERRORISTS, as Helal Abbas did in the last mayoral election, with the gleeful support of the local Tories who are overjoyed that they barely even have to blow the dogwhistle because their opponents are all using loudhailers)
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Aside from Election chat, a few pages back someone was talking about how Letting Agents charges are bullshit and you can challenge them? If someone has that information handy I'd be grateful. We're going to take a really nice flat owned by my fiancees boss, but the letting agent she uses wants a £240 'Admin Fee' for the pair of us, for us producing referrences & 3 months worth of Bank statements and them to pop round with a Boilerplate Tenancy agreement, and gently caress that.
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Gnoll Pie posted:Really baffling to see people defending a corrupt character like Rahman, but hey he's a Muslim and a member of a minority group so he can do no wrong right? Well, except for all this: Is Andrew Gilligan still working for PressTV?
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Jippa posted:loving hell. I didn't realise it was that bad. To be fair most of those accusations could be levelled in a similar fashion to any number if our current politicians. Corruption and politics go hand in hand at every level.
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Jippa posted:loving hell. I didn't realise it was that bad. Yeah, like I say, it's pretty bad. The cult of personality Lutfur is trying to build around himself - his face is literally everywhere in TH - is particularly grating. The IFE stuff is a bit of a red herring though, because it fits into the "East London Mosque are all terrorists" line that the Brick Lane Mosque contingent in the Labour party have been peddling since getting their arses handed to them by ELM and Respect after the convulsions in the local Labour party at the turn of the century. What we've actually got going on here is good old-fashioned graft, with nasty people fighting dirty to get their hands on power. This is the sort of poo poo that (to a lesser but sometimes greater extent) is happening in councils up and down the country. However, because the rift happens to sit between two groups associated with two mosques, rather than two golf clubs, or two unions, or two masonic lodges, it makes lovely scary reading for Middle England to tut over. e: It's bad enough that I almost voted Tory for the local council ward because they're the only ones even making vague noises about the absolute insanity of the last five years of planning decisions. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 11:54 on May 24, 2014 |
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Serotonin posted:To be fair most of those accusations could be levelled in a similar fashion to any number if our current politicians. Corruption and politics go hand in hand at every level. That was very neatly demonstrated by the recent Free Schools and Academies dramas, where governors were found to be handing vast sums of money to their families and friends. It seems that any time anyone gets hold of some purse strings the temptation to derive a little personal profit just too much to resist. The best defence would be a frequent, rigorous and ruthless system of audit of all public finances. But I suspect that the Tories reduced (or would reduce) the numbers of those responsible for doing so from sensible staffing level down to two part-time staff working in a portacabin, just like they did with HMRC and UKBA.
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HortonNash posted:That was very neatly demonstrated by the recent Free Schools and Academies dramas, where governors were found to be handing vast sums of money to their families and friends. It seems that any time anyone gets hold of some purse strings the temptation to derive a little personal profit just too much to resist. Haven't they actually already done this with the local government oversight bodies? Or maybe that was Labour, but I definitely remember big cuts at Standards for England and the NAO a few years ago.
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Jippa posted:I'm probably incredibly naive but I didn't think stuff like that happened in england (at least on that scale)? Have you been at the bottom of a well for the last 50 years?
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The government is planning a youth detention rape shed. But they care so it'll have a mother and baby unit too 
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