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Japan, France, etc. have more than I thought there would be.
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OddObserver posted:I am wondering about Kazakhstan on there...
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May 24, 2014 02:34
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OddObserver posted:I am wondering about Kazakhstan on there... quote:Kazakhstan's 1995 constitution provides mandatory, socialized secondary school education.
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May 24, 2014 02:37
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kalstrams posted:Do you find it strange that people there finish their school? Still, I'm surprised Canada, the UK, Kazakhstan, Finland, Denmark, and probably more that I've missed appear to show up at 0%, if only because there are people who don't finish their high school here in Canada, and that must also be the case else where. Perhaps it's just actually zero but just close enough you can't make out the scale properly.
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May 24, 2014 02:40
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Still, I'm surprised Canada, the UK, Kazakhstan, Finland, Denmark, and probably more that I've missed appear to show up at 0%, if only because there are people who don't finish their high school here in Canada, and that must also be the case else where. Perhaps it's just actually zero but just close enough you can't make out the scale properly.
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May 24, 2014 02:43
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Nah, No Data is explicitly shown in grey, and used in a few places (incl. DPRK, Greenland).
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May 24, 2014 02:49
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PittTheElder posted:Still, I'm surprised Canada, the UK, Kazakhstan, Finland, Denmark, and probably more that I've missed appear to show up at 0%, if only because there are people who don't finish their high school here in Canada, and that must also be the case else where. Perhaps it's just actually zero but just close enough you can't make out the scale properly. Canada seems to be at about 80% high school completion http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/.3ndic.1t.4r@-eng.jsp?iid=29 92% for people in the 25-44 age range.
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May 24, 2014 02:51
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kalstrams posted:Do you find it strange that people there finish their school? I just won't expect it to be noticeably different from any other post-Soviet state. Could be just poor bucketing with fixed colors or something.
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May 24, 2014 03:04
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PittTheElder posted:Still, I'm surprised Canada, the UK, Kazakhstan, Finland, Denmark, and probably more that I've missed appear to show up at 0%, if only because there are people who don't finish their high school here in Canada, and that must also be the case else where. Perhaps it's just actually zero but just close enough you can't make out the scale properly. I think it's just a bad scale. The white countries are probably <5%. Also, it doesn't say it's people who finished their secondary education. The UK apparently has an unusually high dropout rate.
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May 24, 2014 04:06
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Fojar38 posted:Japan, France, etc. have more than I thought there would be. I'm not sure about France, but high school isn't actually required in Japan. There are a fair number of poor kids who can't afford it and don't do well on their entrance exams, so they don't end up going.
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May 24, 2014 04:42
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Just a reminder: 'high school' (or rather the closest equivalent) isn't the only form of secondary education.
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PittTheElder posted:Still, I'm surprised Canada, the UK, Kazakhstan, Finland, Denmark, and probably more that I've missed appear to show up at 0%, if only because there are people who don't finish their high school here in Canada, and that must also be the case else where. Perhaps it's just actually zero but just close enough you can't make out the scale properly. Mu Cow posted:Also, it doesn't say it's people who finished their secondary education. The UK apparently has an unusually high dropout rate. Keeping with the theme:  Number of years of compulsory education.  Age at which students leave compulsory education. Why they would map integers on a gradient, instead of actually matching colors to a specific number I don't know.  I'm disappointed there isn't a master's degree with specialized teacher training country. Actually, the concept of someone with only a master's trying to educate primary-school children sounds kinda scary. Seems to me at least that the world of higher education is very different from the one the kids would know, and just because you know your stuff doesn't mean you're good at communicating it to people so far below you intellectually/educationally. Anyone from one of these countries care to weigh in? I suppose it actually goes for all of the ones without specialized teacher training, master's just increase the divide. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 08:06 on May 24, 2014 |
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Pretty sure Master's degrees implies that it's a teaching Master.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I'm disappointed there isn't a master's degree with specialized teacher training country. Actually, the concept of someone with only a master's trying to educate primary-school children sounds kinda scary. Seems to me at least that the world of higher education is very different from the one the kids would know, and just because you know your stuff doesn't mean you're good at communicating it to people so far below you intellectually/educationally. Anyone from one of these countries care to weigh in? I suppose it actually goes for all of the ones without specialized teacher training, master's just increase the divide. According to Wikipedia (  ) in Finland most of the grade 1-6 teachers have a master's degree in education theory unless they're hell of old. Doesn't say it's a requirement though.
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May 24, 2014 08:13
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Okay, so it's actually more a question of how things are named and not so much the actual content?
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Kurtofan posted:Pretty sure Master's degrees implies that it's a teaching Master. Edit: From the city of Helsinki's site: "Luokanopettajalta vaaditaan kasvatustieteen maisterin tutkinto, peruskoulussa opetettavien aineiden ja aihekokonaisuuksien monialaiset opinnot ja opettajan pedagogiset opinnot." "Aineenopetusta on kelpoinen antamaan henkilö, joka on suorittanut - ylemmän korkeakoulututkinnon - vähintään 60 opintopisteen (35ov) laajuiset opettajan pedagogiset opinnot sekä - vähintään 120 opintopisteen (55ov) laajuiset aineenopettajan koulutukseen kuuluvat opetettavan aineen opinnot yhdessä opetettavassa aineessa ja vähintään 60 opintopisteen (35ov) laajuiset vastaavat opinnot muissa opetettavissa aineissa. Perusopetuksen aineenopettajalle riittävät vähintään 60 opintopisteen (35ov) laajuiset opinnot kaikissa opetettavissa aineissa."
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Anyone from one of these countries care to weigh in? I suppose it actually goes for all of the ones without specialized teacher training, master's just increase the divide. In France it's a teaching Master with some specialized courses at a IUFM. It's actually only working like that since 2008, before that you just received specialized training at the IUFM.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:
At least for Germany this map isn't 100% correct. Every state has its own rules concerning education, but most have 9-10 years of compulsory education and none more than 12 as far as I can see. The 13 years probably come from the number of years spent in school when you complete the highest tier of secondary education, the Gymnasium, which used to be 4 years of primary school and 9 years of Gymnasium (if you aren't an exceptionally gifted pupil allowed to skip a class or two). Nowadays some states have six years of primary school, others reduced the Gymnasium down to 8 years, some didn't, some do both. It's a clusterfuck of various regulations by now so who the gently caress knows anymore 
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A Buttery Pastry posted:
I don't know why the U.S. is labeled as being Bachelor's only, since at least in California, Oregon, and Washington you need a teaching credential.
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Jerry Cotton posted:According to Wikipedia ( And guess what, according to most international statistics/comparisons, Finland has the best education results in the world.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I don't know why the U.S. is labeled as being Bachelor's only, since at least in California, Oregon, and Washington you need a teaching credential. Yeah, that's a state-by-state thing. It even applies to substitute teachers- you need a lighter credentialing in California, and you can just sign up with a school in places like Idaho.
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Carbon dioxide posted:And guess what, according to most international statistics/comparisons, Finland has the best education results in the world. Australia is slowly moving towards needing a Masters-level teaching qualification too (not mandated by government, but schools individually are all making that move), because we want Finnish-level teachers so Australian schools get Finnish-level results. Of course, you can't expect to be paid Finnish-level wages, that would be just silly!
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Grand Fromage posted:I'm not sure about France, but high school isn't actually required in Japan. There are a fair number of poor kids who can't afford it and don't do well on their entrance exams, so they don't end up going. Wouldn't a big percentage of Japanese be old people who grew up when secondary education was less of a given? I imagine age distribution is a big part of the statistic for developed countries.
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Broniki posted:On the topic of food consumption and tolerance, I would be interested to know if there's a map of cilantro/coriander aversion. It's a genetically inherited trait so I imagine it's prevalence would vary by location. I find that stuff really interesting. It's like Brussels sprouts.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I don't know why the U.S. is labeled as being Bachelor's only, since at least in California, Oregon, and Washington you need a teaching credential. On a lot of maps like this there are a lot of countries who really should be split up into subnational units for the map to make any actual sense. Kassad posted:In France it's a teaching Master with some specialized courses at a IUFM. It's actually only working like that since 2008, before that you just received specialized training at the IUFM. I'm starting this sort of Master next year to teach in primary school. Being a regional language immersion system the program is a bit different of course, but in the first year we'll do 10 weeks of training in the regional language (to make sure we're a good example for the kids), 12 weeks of general pedagogical theory, bilingual and immersion theory and the various subjects that will be taught and then 15 weeks of student teaching. The second year is all student teaching although with only occasional observation by an instructor, with a thesis to write and a competitive exam to pass at the end of the year. Thank gently caress I get scholarships and the student teaching is paid because there's no way I could do all of that and work at the same time.
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Carbon dioxide posted:And guess what, according to most international statistics/comparisons, Finland has the best education results in the world. Don't worry, once the National Coalition Party gets done with dismantling the welfare state shortly that'll be history.
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Makes sense that only needing a degree to teach is a state by state thing, but even if it is only a handful of US states it's still pretty shocking that there's somewhere in the first world where you don't need some form of specialist teacher training. I have a history degree but I feel in no way qualified to teach a class full of kids history!
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marktheando posted:I have a history degree but I feel in no way qualified to teach a class full of kids history! That's how a lot of college level classes are taught (by graduate students, but still).
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marktheando posted:Makes sense that only needing a degree to teach is a state by state thing, but even if it is only a handful of US states it's still pretty shocking that there's somewhere in the first world where you don't need some form of specialist teacher training. I have a history degree but I feel in no way qualified to teach a class full of kids history! I've never heard of a state in the US not requiring certification to be a real, full-time teacher. I've heard of it for substitutes. If there are any that don't require it I'd be curious which ones they are, I'd stereotype and assume like Mississippi or something. And I mean public schools, private ones can do all kinds of weird poo poo.
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computer parts posted:That's how a lot of college level classes are taught (by graduate students, but still). That's kind of different though, since even though it is more sophisticated material, you aren't having to look after children. I know a few teachers here in Scotland and they have to learn a lot of stuff about child protection, keeping control of the classroom, making lesson plans etc. Grand Fromage posted:I've never heard of a state in the US not requiring certification to be a real, full-time teacher. I've heard of it for substitutes. If there are any that don't require it I'd be curious which ones they are, I'd stereotype and assume like Mississippi or something. I can't act too superior as the current conservative UK government has talked about how veterans without degrees should be fast tracked through teacher training. Hopefully it won't actually happen though.
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marktheando posted:I can't act too superior as the current conservative UK government has talked about how veterans without degrees should be fast tracked through teacher training. Hopefully it won't actually happen though. "Hmm yes literally crazy people are best suited to be teachers." - A politician
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I want our classrooms full of authoritarians with PTSD. Maybe armed too.
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Hmm yes, all veterans are absolutely traumatized psychotic fascists, said people on the internet who have probably never met one in their life.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Hmm yes, all veterans are absolutely traumatized psychotic fascists, said people on the internet who have probably never met one in their life. The proportion of traumatized psychotic fascists in the military is larger than the proportion of traumatized psychotic fascists not in the military. Also all veterans everywhere are just waiting for a chance to snap and flashback to 'Nam and murder all the Asian children in the class, everyone knows this.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:The proportion of traumatized psychotic fascists in the military is larger than the proportion of traumatized psychotic fascists not in the military. Also all veterans everywhere are just waiting for a chance to snap and flashback to 'Nam and murder all the Asian children in the class, everyone knows this. I'm not comfortable with my children being educated by someone whose only qualifications is that he was taught how to kill humans by the state and didn't die. If veterans who want to teach go and get same degrees that other teachers get, let them be teachers like anyone else, otherwise gently caress off.
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There were some schools in the UK where, up until last year, their governing boards prevented "the promotion of homosexuality" (which I helped expose). The government are rather keen on those schools being allowed to hire unqualified teachers. Here's a map of sexual orientation and the military, with darker colours indicating how many part of the acronym "LGBT" are allowed to serve (red indicating a total ban). 
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TinTower posted:There were some schools in the UK where, up until last year, their governing boards prevented "the promotion of homosexuality" (which I helped expose). The government are rather keen on those schools being allowed to hire unqualified teachers. I'm not sure I understand. I can only think of three situations: 1. All banned. (red) 2. LGB people allowed but trans people banned. 3. All allowed. (purple?) What further divisions can there be? Don't ask/ don't tell policies? Lesbians allowed but gay/bi men not?
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Torrannor posted:I'm not sure I understand. I can only think of three situations: Women not allowed to serve (light blue where trans people banned, dark blue where trans people allowed)
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