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Parallel Paraplegic posted:The proportion of traumatized psychotic fascists in the military is larger than the proportion of traumatized psychotic fascists not in the military. Also all veterans everywhere are just waiting for a chance to snap and flashback to 'Nam and murder all the Asian children in the class, everyone knows this. I enjoy victimizing the helpless, that's why I joined the military and then went to dental school.
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marktheando posted:I can't act too superior as the current conservative UK government has talked about how veterans without degrees should be fast tracked through teacher training. Hopefully it won't actually happen though.
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cheerfullydrab posted:Weren't you all supposed to have an evil balanced coalition government? Hahaha.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Hmm yes, all veterans are absolutely traumatized psychotic fascists, said people on the internet who have probably never met one in their life. They joined the army so they are either psychotic fascists or literal imbeciles.
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May 24, 2014 22:38
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Jerry Cotton posted:They joined the army so they are either psychotic fascists or literal imbeciles. Oh sorry, I meant to say gently caress you dad.
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May 25, 2014 01:58
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Negative Entropy posted:...or they can't afford college and want to use the GI bill to go to college. I get to go to college! *airstrikes hospital* I'm only in it for the benefits. *pees on corpses*
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May 25, 2014 03:11
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Actually I know a dude who's an actual combat vet (I think peacekeeping in bosnia?) and is now a highschool teacher and he's the chillest coolest guy.
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Just visited an old friend of mine who is now a navyman stationed in Japan. That dude is doing better financially and careerwise than most of my friends with college degrees (despite not having one and being enlisted). If you have a head for discipline and bureaucracy (and occasionally killing people, depending on your chosen role), the military can really work out for you, even as an enlisted man. And, in the US military at least, you can experience some modern day vestiges of colonialism, including some rights to extraterritoriality!
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Bloodnose posted:And, in the US military at least, you can experience some modern day vestiges of colonialism, including some rights to extraterritoriality! To be fair to the U.S. in this regard, military bases in Japan have nothing to do with U.S. Imperialism. Japan declared war on the United States, conducted it and their wars in China in a brutal fashion, and then once defeated were occupied an had bases set up in order to ensure it didn't happen again. German still has bases too. Very different from the U.S. wanting a coaling station somewhere off in the Pacific.
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Baronjutter posted:Actually I know a dude who's an actual combat vet (I think peacekeeping in bosnia?) and is now a highschool teacher and he's the chillest coolest guy. 
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May 25, 2014 06:47
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:To be fair to the U.S. in this regard, military bases in Japan have nothing to do with U.S. Imperialism. Japan declared war on the United States, conducted it and their wars in China in a brutal fashion, and then once defeated were occupied an had bases set up in order to ensure it didn't happen again. German still has bases too. Very different from the U.S. wanting a coaling station somewhere off in the Pacific.
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Also I was talking about the fact that SOFA members have certain extraterritorial rights as a vestige of colonialism, not that the bases themselves are an example of imperialism. They may very well be. But I'm not making that argument one way or the other.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:To be fair to the U.S. in this regard, military bases in Japan have nothing to do with U.S. Imperialism. Japan declared war on the United States, conducted it and their wars in China in a brutal fashion, and then once defeated were occupied an had bases set up in order to ensure it didn't happen again. German still has bases too. Very different from the U.S. wanting a coaling station somewhere off in the Pacific. No, this is a joke. The US bases are simply about projecting force into other countries. China and Russia mostly. They aren't there to stop a war from happening, they're there so that if a war does happen we can easily move poo poo in Europe/Asia to protect our interests. For instance, The Korean War. It is literally the same thing as the US wanting a coaling station somewhere off in the Pacific.
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May 25, 2014 09:12
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That is a really broad definition of "imperialism" that I don't think would hold up under scrutiny in a globalized world.
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Fojar38 posted:That is a really broad definition of "imperialism" that I don't think would hold up under scrutiny in a globalized world. "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force." That's the definition Google gave me, which all these things fit.
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May 25, 2014 09:27
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That's a definition so hilariously broad it's completely useless. e; "Imperialism: literally any foreign policy whatsoever"
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reignonyourparade posted:That's a definition so hilariously broad it's completely useless. Seriously. If you strengthen your bilateral trade ties with another country, you extend your influence through diplomacy. Both countries actually. Seems like every country on this planet would be imperialistic by this definition.
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Fojar38 posted:That is a really broad definition of "imperialism" that I don't think would hold up under scrutiny in a globalized world. e: Just to keep with the theme of the discussion.   The maps shown above do not necessarily indicate the views of the poster in question. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 09:53 on May 25, 2014 |
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May 25, 2014 09:47
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:"a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force." Signing a peace treaty as the losing side would fall under "extending a country's power through diplomacy". 
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I'm really skeptical of both of these maps. I had no idea there were US Military bases in Saudi Arabia, Thailand or Indonesia and I can't find anything from a cursory Google to make me think otherwise. The bottom map also shows Taiwan which anyone with a cursory knowledge of East Asian geopolitics knows is impossible. Although it certainly could still be considered part of the "American Empire" for lots of reasons.
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Bloodnose posted:I'm really skeptical of both of these maps. I had no idea there were US Military bases in Saudi Arabia, Thailand or Indonesia and I can't find anything from a cursory Google to make me think otherwise. Saudi definitely has them, that was cited by bin Laden as a primary motivation for 9/11. I don't know about Thailand or Indonesia.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:To be fair to the U.S. in this regard, military bases in Japan have nothing to do with U.S. Imperialism. Japan declared war on the United States, conducted it and their wars in China in a brutal fashion, and then once defeated were occupied an had bases set up in order to ensure it didn't happen again. German still has bases too. Very different from the U.S. wanting a coaling station somewhere off in the Pacific. Maybe but there's no real reasonable point except imperialism to keep these bases there 70 years after WW2 ended.
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Grand Fromage posted:Saudi definitely has them, that was cited by bin Laden as a primary motivation for 9/11. I don't know about Thailand or Indonesia. There aren't any permanent foreign military bases in Norway either, unless you count facilities for storing equipment.
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Bloodnose posted:I'm really skeptical of both of these maps. I had no idea there were US Military bases in Saudi Arabia, Thailand or Indonesia and I can't find anything from a cursory Google to make me think otherwise. It might be stretching things by considering that US embassies or CIA black sites are military bases? In any case it's odd to include France in the first map, all the US bases there were closed in the 60s and there are no CIA sites in the country (or are there?  ).
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Kopijeger posted:There aren't any permanent foreign military bases in Norway either, unless you count facilities for storing equipment. Best as I can tell there aren't any in Thailand, but there is an air base that the USAF is allowed to use. That's a bit of a stretch to me.
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PYF Greater Serbia  
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If you ask a lot of non-Serbs, Yugoslavia was Greater Serbia.
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While Serba was indeed the historical Third Rome, this map looks like it gives Dušan about twice as much territory as any other map I've seen.
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Bro Dad posted:PYF Greater Serbia Was this map made by an Albanian or something? Those are some really limited territorial ambitions in the South East.
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Bro Dad posted:PYF Greater Serbia OK!  quote:One of the multiple "Great Serbian" projects, draw by S.I.Cepleanu since a map exposed into a bookshop, Belgrade,.  quote:Map of both territories claimed by proponents of a Greater Serbia as well as territories historically held by Serb states. This includes territories held by the short lived Serbian Empire under Dušan, by the Kingdom of Serbia in 1918, Serb claims to Vojna Krajina, Serb claims to Slavonia and the unrecognized Republic of Serbian Krajina, and other Serb nationalist claims by Chetniks in World War II and by Vojislav Šešelj. (I found that on this hilarious Croat blog, btw) And some alt history/wishful thinking:   Wasted opportunity to rechristen Sardinia as "Serbinia", imo  "All this is Serbia" --- I wonder how this would play out when the Bulgarian nationalists had their say as well? 
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May 25, 2014 13:26
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What's so great about Serbia anyway? Didn't they do away with kebabs? Seems like a bleak place.
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the jizz taxi posted:Maybe but there's no real reasonable point except imperialism to keep these bases there 70 years after WW2 ended. There is if you don't like piracy.
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the jizz taxi posted:Maybe but there's no real reasonable point except imperialism to keep these bases there 70 years after WW2 ended. Is it imperialism if the host wants forces there? I'm not really colonizing my friends' house when they invite me over for dinner.
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Jerry Cotton posted:What's so great about Serbia anyway? Didn't they do away with kebabs? Seems like a bleak place. Disrespect not the Imperium of Man! 
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Jerry Cotton posted:What's so great about Serbia anyway? Didn't they do away with kebabs? Seems like a bleak place. It's honestly usually the lovely places that seem to be most rabidly nationalist.
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Honestly, at this point it's not as much of an reflection of Serbian nationalism, as it is a study in what passes as acceptable in today's casual racism.
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DarkCrawler posted:It's honestly usually the lovely places that seem to be most rabidly nationalist. A survey about provincial pride in the Netherlands last year found that Frisians are least content with their province, but most proud of it.
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System Metternich posted:
I like that they mostly remade Yugoslavia and took the majority of Italy (though not the most productive parts, clever slavs), but couldn't be bothered dealing with Montenegro or FYROM.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Globalization is itself part of American imperialism, or at least American imperialism is the tool with which it shapes the nature of globalization. The effects of American imperialism are so pervasive and strongly felt across the world that it has in a sense become the fabric around which society is built, which makes it much harder to see. Obviously the US hasn't achieved total dominance, but that doesn't mean it isn't absurdly powerful. Given the parameters of these maps, shouldn't Cuba also be part of the "American Empire?"
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steinrokkan posted:Honestly, at this point it's not as much of an reflection of Serbian nationalism, as it is a study in what passes as acceptable in today's casual racism. I wouldn't call it racism, but it's true that there is kind of an obsession with Serbia on this forum.
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