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And the fact that its partially because of vote splitting between the Greens and the SNP - UKIP have actually fallen from their position in some of the polls...
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Guardian says the Ukips won it.
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May 26, 2014 00:09
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As far as I know all the local councils in Scotland, barring the Western Isles, have declared and their vote isn't enough to affect the result.
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May 26, 2014 00:09
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IceAgeComing posted:And the fact that its partially because of vote splitting between the Greens and the SNP - UKIP have actually fallen from their position in some of the polls... Wellllll, that's the same across the country and always is i non-FPTP. You simply can't just transfer votes like that, not all Greens would be willing to hold their nose and vote center-left.
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May 26, 2014 00:10
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IceAgeComing posted:And the fact that its partially because of vote splitting between the Greens and the SNP - UKIP have actually fallen from their position in some of the polls... Now see, if we had used STV, then... (begins drawing diagrams in chalk on the walls, foaming at the mouth slightly, words start to descend into incoherence)
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May 26, 2014 00:10
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From the BBC website. Glasgow result Labour: 45,676, SNP: 37,820, Greens: 15,359, UKIP: 12,638, Conservatives: 10,985, Lib Dems: 3,830. Well...at least Greens beat UKIP...But god this is starting to get bad. So what regions are left to be counted in? The Western Isles results are tomorrow so that may or may not get hopes up. Just depends on the Isles attitude to SNP. Is there any other regions still to be counted in.
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May 26, 2014 00:11
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That is fair: I'm just trying to say that its not a SURGE OF UKIP; they're ceiling seems to be 10% in Scotland. I know lots of people who would ordinarily have voted Green in PR elections (including me) ended up voting SNP to try to get rid of UKIP; so the Green vote are probably down a little bit over where they would normally be.
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May 26, 2014 00:12
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I don't know why them blaming the LD results on them being 'pro-Europe' as opposed to THE ENTIRE COALITION BETRAYAL THING is driving me crazy, but it is.
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May 26, 2014 00:13
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Basically  killed Europe.
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May 26, 2014 00:14
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On the positive side: I'm fairly certain that Northern Ireland would be the only region where a UKIP MEP won't be elected.  (For context, due to Norn Iron politics, we're using the Single Transferable Vote system, which means that there's a good 13 people fighting over three seats before UKIP comes into play. There's no way in hell that UKIP's getting in, considering everyone has shouting "don't let the folk on the other religious side get in" as per usual) Delusibeta fucked around with this message at 00:18 on May 26, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 00:15
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Chucat posted:I don't know why them blaming the LD results on them being 'pro-Europe' as opposed to THE ENTIRE COALITION BETRAYAL THING is driving me crazy, but it is. Half of the collapse is the typical squeeze on junior parties in coalition, though; also see the Labour Party in Ireland.
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May 26, 2014 00:15
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Chucat posted:I don't know why them blaming the LD results on them being 'pro-Europe' as opposed to THE ENTIRE COALITION BETRAYAL THING is driving me crazy, but it is. Because the entire media has become loving obsessed with anti-immigration as a legitimate position rather than doing any serious inquiry into its claims which ties into a pro/anti-europe framing.
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May 26, 2014 00:16
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Highland result SNP: 19,810, Lib Dems: 12,189, Labour: 9,163, Conservatives: 9,088, UKIP: 7,818, Greens: 5,615. West Lothian and Scottish Borders results Final two official declarations of the night come in. SNP retain West Lothian, and Conservatives retain Scottish Borders. West Lothian - SNP: 14,279, Labour: 13,932, UKIP: 5,228. Scottish Borders - Conservatives: 9,972, SNP: 6,775, Lib Dems: 5,465. IceAgeComing posted:That is fair: I'm just trying to say that its not a SURGE OF UKIP; they're ceiling seems to be 10% in Scotland. I know lots of people who would ordinarily have voted Green in PR elections (including me) ended up voting SNP to try to get rid of UKIP; so the Green vote are probably down a little bit over where they would normally be. It really is kind of sad when people (me included) who think voting Green was the right time only to have the likes of UKIP get in because of a split. I was hoping that the number of Anti-EU parties would split the votes that would of gotten to UKIP but that seems rather minor. At this point, every little helps I guess.
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May 26, 2014 00:16
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Extreme0 posted:Scottish Borders - Conservatives: 9,972, SNP: 6,775, Lib Dems: 5,465.
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May 26, 2014 00:19
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TinTower posted:Half of the collapse is the typical squeeze on junior parties in coalition, though; also see the Labour Party in Ireland. By 'them' I meant 'the BBC', maybe I should've clarified. I just get the feeling most Lib Dem voters aren't voting Lib Dem because you know, they cosied up to Tories which is pretty much anathema to lefty protest vote, as opposed to Nick Clegg going "Europe and immigrants are pretty cool guys...like me...please?"
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May 26, 2014 00:19
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The gist im getting is that everyone who voted UKIP are idiots? That's a large proportion of the country that's being branded idiots. Oh and before you say 'well it was only a 34% turn out' well those that didn't vote, don't really have a say do they?
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May 26, 2014 00:19
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:The gist im getting is that everyone who voted UKIP are idiots? That's a large proportion of the country that's being branded idiots. Oh and before you say 'well it was only a 34% turn out' well those that didn't vote, don't really have a say do they? A UKIP spokesperson pretty much called people who vote for them "uneducated, uncultured and old", so take that as you will.
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May 26, 2014 00:21
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:The gist im getting is that everyone who voted UKIP are idiots? That's a large proportion of the country that's being branded idiots. Well they did vote for UKIP. I think I'm allowed to call people who do idiotic things idiots. North west: 3/3/2 Labour/UKIP/Tory ffffffff
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May 26, 2014 00:22
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:The gist im getting is that everyone who voted UKIP are idiots? That's a large proportion of the country that's being branded idiots. Oh and before you say 'well it was only a 34% turn out' well those that didn't vote, don't really have a say do they?
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May 26, 2014 00:22
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North West is in. 3 for UKIP and Labour, 2 for the Tories.
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May 26, 2014 00:23
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gently caress Conservatives took one from Labour in North West. 3/3/2. Should've been 4/3/1.
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May 26, 2014 00:23
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:The gist im getting is that everyone who voted UKIP are idiots? That's a large proportion of the country that's being branded idiots. That would appear to me an accurate summation of the intelligence of the british public, yes.
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May 26, 2014 00:23
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Lib Dems are taking a loving goddam pasting though.
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May 26, 2014 00:24
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Chucat posted:By 'them' I meant 'the BBC', maybe I should've clarified. There's really no way the Lib Dems would have kept their 2009/10 vote. If they'd have gone with Labour, the right-wing segment of the party would've revolted; if they'd have let the Tories run a minority administration, they'd have collapsed by either giving the Tories S&C or from lack of money to fight to Tory-engineered Autumn 2010 election.
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May 26, 2014 00:24
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So that's everyone declared in Scotland except the Western Isles. I don't even know what the population of the Western Isles is. Is it realistically and/or physically possible for UKIP not to get the sixth seat now?
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May 26, 2014 00:24
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TinTower posted:There's really no way the Lib Dems would have kept their 2009/10 vote. If they'd have gone with Labour, the right-wing segment of the party would've revolted; if they'd have let the Tories run a minority administration, they'd have collapsed by either giving the Tories S&C or from lack of money to fight to Tory-engineered Autumn 2010 election. The new third party needs to be the loving bolsheviks.
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May 26, 2014 00:25
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Angepain posted:So that's everyone declared in Scotland except the Western Isles. I don't even know what the population of the Western Isles is. Is it realistically and/or physically possible for UKIP not to get the sixth seat now? No, UKIP has it in the bag.
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May 26, 2014 00:25
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I would say 'gently caress this lovely right wing country, i'm moving' but then it's pretty clear there aren't many countries to move to now. I guess Scotland, should it be independent.
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May 26, 2014 00:27
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Alecto posted:I would say 'gently caress this lovely right wing country, i'm moving' but then it's pretty clear there aren't many countries to move to now. I guess Scotland, should it be independent. Well, there's Sweden, who just elected a Feminist Party MEP, I guess?
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May 26, 2014 00:28
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Delusibeta posted:Well, there's Sweden, who just elected a Feminist Party MEP, I guess? loving expensive, of course.
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May 26, 2014 00:30
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So going by the results so far, the Lib Dems took a massive kicking, the SNP took a moderate kicking, the Tories got slightly scuffed, Labour came out unharmed but without landing any telling blows, the greens got a couple of cheeky hits in, and Farage kerbstomped errybody.
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May 26, 2014 00:31
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Pretty sure UKIP just won West Midlands... edit: yep 3/2/2 UKIP/Labour/Conservative.
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May 26, 2014 00:32
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gently caress me. That's 3/2/2 UKIP/Lab/Cn for west idlands then. Labour barely beating Conservatives.
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May 26, 2014 00:32
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LemonDrizzle posted:So going by the results so far, the Lib Dems took a massive kicking, the SNP took a moderate kicking, the Tories got slightly scuffed, Labour came out unharmed but without landing any telling blows, the greens got a couple of cheeky hits in, and Farage kerbstomped errybody. Yeah.  I don't think I've seen a single region where the lib dem vote is more than the amount of votes they've lost since last time, at least in %.
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May 26, 2014 00:33
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LemonDrizzle posted:So going by the results so far, the Lib Dems took a massive kicking, the SNP took a moderate kicking, the Tories got slightly scuffed, Labour came out unharmed but without landing any telling blows, the greens got a couple of cheeky hits in, and Farage kerbstomped errybody. I wouldn't say the SNP took a moderate kicking when they held their share of the vote almost exactly.
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May 26, 2014 00:33
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Lugaloco posted:I wouldn't say the SNP took a moderate kicking when they held their share of the vote almost exactly. Considering they're in government, it's really pretty impressive. No doubt the referendum's loving with the usual effects a bit.
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May 26, 2014 00:34
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Lugaloco posted:I wouldn't say the SNP took a moderate kicking when they held their share of the vote almost exactly. They were polling >40% at the start of the year and speculating about taking 4 MEPs. Over five months, they've lost a quarter of their support and potentially fallen back to only 2 MEPs. That's a pretty severe kicking.
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May 26, 2014 00:35
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LemonDrizzle posted:They were polling >40% at the start of the year and speculating about taking 4 MEPs. Over five months, they've lost a quarter of their support and potentially fallen back to only 2 MEPs. That's a pretty severe kicking. Were they UK polls or Scotland specific polls? I remember seeing the UK ones giving odd numbers, but I never saw the Scotland ones. Jedit posted:^^^ Why would UK polls bother to include the SNP?
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May 26, 2014 00:36
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^^^ Why would UK polls bother to include the SNP?Angepain posted:If UKIP get in by that kind of margin you will find me slumped in the corner screaming incoherently about electoral systems and preferential voting. I fail to see your problem with the system. UKIP aren't getting in despite losing by that margin in one council, they're getting in because they didn't lose by that margin everywhere. I would consider it to be a bigger problem if the SNP were to get half of Scotland's six MEPs with less than a third of the vote.
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