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Soviet Commubot posted:So France is pretty terrible. Today's European election results by commune and then by department. The dark blue is where the Front National came in first, lighter blue the UMP, even lighter blue the centrists (what's going on in Mayenne?) pink the PS, green the Greens, red the Left Front and grey usually regionalists. Do the overseas departments vote in European elections?
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I guess this counts as political just in the "someone's idea of what the regions of the US are": Also, drat if Corn and Cotton don't have a bad color contrast for adjoining regions.
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May 26, 2014 04:14
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Killer robot posted:I guess this counts as political just in the "someone's idea of what the regions of the US are": Nick Silicon and George Oil, money bros for life. 
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May 26, 2014 04:23
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Killer robot posted:I guess this counts as political just in the "someone's idea of what the regions of the US are": Should've replaced 'Sand' with 'Glow' in the Southwest there.
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May 26, 2014 04:41
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Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but sand is very commonly made mostly of silicon.
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May 26, 2014 05:14
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Killer robot posted:I guess this counts as political just in the "someone's idea of what the regions of the US are": Was good for a laugh from me.
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May 26, 2014 05:33
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Soviet Commubot posted:So France is pretty terrible. Today's European election results by commune and then by department. The dark blue is where the Front National came in first, lighter blue the UMP, even lighter blue the centrists (what's going on in Mayenne?) pink the PS, green the Greens, red the Left Front and grey usually regionalists. Is this one of those situations where it looks like one party is absurdly dominant, but that's mostly because election maps show who Land Area voted for instead of who People voted for?
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May 26, 2014 05:44
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They won 25%, winning overall, so yes but they still won.
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May 26, 2014 05:56
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Golbez posted:Do the overseas departments vote in European elections? They do. Ditocoaf posted:Is this one of those situations where it looks like one party is absurdly dominant, but that's mostly because election maps show who Land Area voted for instead of who People voted for? Not really. Front National got the most votes, but it was "only" about 25% of all votes. So their opponents still outnumber them, it's just that the FN got the most votes in many districts. Albino Squirrel posted:gently caress me. Are there that many fascists in France or is it just that nobody cares about the Euro elections except National Front supporters? I would hazard a guess and say that most voters of the FN are non-fascists. TheIllestVillain posted:What are the chances FN can pull off this kind of result during a general election? I kind of doubt they could replicate that feat, these were only EU elections, which both depressed turnout and led to different priorities for the electorate. But even if they could, it wouldn't help them too much. The president needs an outright majority to become elected, which the FN won't get in the first round. The remaining establishment candidate in the run-off election would crush the FN candidate. And if Wikipedia tells the truth, seats in parliament are awarded in a similar manner, so the FN wouldn't get a parliamentary majority as well.
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May 26, 2014 06:03
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The way I understand it is that EU Parliament elections always end up electing whackjob bigot parties because of low voter turnout. Nobody sane actually believes their EU MP will have any effect on anything, so the only ones who vote are crazy bigots.
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May 26, 2014 06:05
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So basically in 2017 we're gonna see a repeat of Chirac vs. Daddy Le Pen, with how polls are looking?
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May 26, 2014 06:05
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Basically the EU is a horrible joke of an unelected bureaucracy that nobody can do anything about so the only voters are whackjob racists.
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May 26, 2014 06:06
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Jerry Cotton posted:"Hmm yes literally crazy people are best suited to be teachers." - A politician Baronjutter posted:I want our classrooms full of authoritarians with PTSD. Maybe armed too. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Hmm yes, all veterans are absolutely traumatized psychotic fascists, said people on the internet who have probably never met one in their life. I try not to be a complainer, but as someone with PTSD these posts taken together do not make me feel so good.
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May 26, 2014 06:11
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Basically the EU is a horrible joke of an unelected bureaucracy that nobody can do anything about so the only voters are whackjob racists. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:The way I understand it is that EU Parliament elections always end up electing whackjob bigot parties because of low voter turnout. Nobody sane actually believes their EU MP will have any effect on anything, so the only ones who vote are crazy bigots. The worst thing is that this is just not true anymore. While all legislation needs to be introduced by the EU Commission, it cannot pass without approval of the ordinarily elected parliament. And said parliament needs to approve the next EU Commission president. And there were two candidates for president this election, who could very well end up getting the post. I don't see any glaring lack of democracy. In short, parliament elections are tremendously important, they influence both legislation and the executive. The EU Council will still have a big influence, but that is just part of the nature of the EU. People need to take these elections seriously, but there is still the mistaken belief that they don't matter. Which leads to the election of these wackos.
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May 26, 2014 06:34
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Torrannor posted:The worst thing is that this is just not true anymore. While all legislation needs to be introduced by the EU Commission, it cannot pass without approval of the ordinarily elected parliament. And said parliament needs to approve the next EU Commission president. And there were two candidates for president this election, who could very well end up getting the post. I don't see any glaring lack of democracy.
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May 26, 2014 06:44
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Bloodnose posted:The bottom map also shows Taiwan which anyone with a cursory knowledge of East Asian geopolitics knows is impossible. Although it certainly could still be considered part of the "American Empire" for lots of reasons. Why would that be impossible?
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May 26, 2014 06:47
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You're German, aren't you? Yes, why?
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May 26, 2014 06:58
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You're German, aren't you? No, he's just somebody with basic education.
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May 26, 2014 07:13
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Frostwerks posted:Why would that be impossible? Taiwan and South Korea couldn't have been in the American sphere of influence in 1932; they were part of the Japanese Empire. Essentially, that map is crap. The years are random, the criteria are unknown, and even given the very most generous interpretations, it's simply factually wrong. And why is French Guiana colored differently than France? 
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May 26, 2014 07:14
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A mild tangent, but as for the fact that all legislation needs to be submitted by the Commission; that's true from a strictly formal sense, but it's arguable that at least since the Treaty of Amsterdam the Commission in fact has only very little agenda setting power, owing to the fact that all controversail legislation is resolved in the Conciliation Committee, which is composed exclusively of Parliament and the Council, and in no way bound to respect prior Commission's proposals and comments. In fact, there's a popular academic argument that the Parliament has more influence over shaping legislative proposals than the Commission due to making "the first" bid to the conciliatiors via its second reading amendments.
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May 26, 2014 07:17
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:The way I understand it is that EU Parliament elections always end up electing whackjob bigot parties because of low voter turnout. Nobody sane actually believes their EU MP will have any effect on anything, so the only ones who vote are crazy bigots. ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Basically the EU is a horrible joke of an unelected bureaucracy that nobody can do anything about so the only voters are whackjob racists. That explains why the voter turnout for Åland was so much higher than the rest of Finland (except for the capital, which is its own voting district).
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May 26, 2014 07:22
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Golbez posted:Taiwan and South Korea couldn't have been in the American sphere of influence in 1932; they were part of the Japanese Empire. I didn't even look at the colors lol. I do know that there used to be some in the cold war though. Does anyone have a map of known US military bases marked with dots or something?
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May 26, 2014 07:26
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Torrannor posted:Yes, why?
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May 26, 2014 08:17
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Soviet Commubot posted:So France is pretty terrible. Today's European election results by commune and then by department. The dark blue is where the Front National came in first, lighter blue the UMP, even lighter blue the centrists (what's going on in Mayenne?) pink the PS, green the Greens, red the Left Front and grey usually regionalists. Jesus Seine saint denis. The fn came first in my town  Also the fn (headed by Dr Ebola Le pen) doing better than the regionalists in Corse-du-sud, do these fuckers know they'll do anything to destroy Corsican identity?) Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 08:30 on May 26, 2014 |
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 Belgian elections. If anyone wants an effortpost, I could do so, but what you really need to know to understand this map is: Yellow is N-VA, who want more autonomy but not full-blown independence for the states in Belgium, red is socialist, blue is liberal, the shades of orange are christian-democrat (but not the crazy Swedish kind, just centrist parties). N-VA and Parti Socialiste are butting heads since forever and they both got 30% of votes in Flanders and Wallonia respectively. Interesting developments: Rise of the communists in Wallonia (actually getting some seats) death of the fascists in Flanders (Vlaams Belang got a sweet 0 seats in the federal elections this time, whether you agree with the left and claim they just moved to N-VA is debatable) a surprising loss for the Parti Socialiste, knocking them down from like 37% to 30%, on footing with the MR (liberals in Wallonia, at about 28%) a sudden surge of the liberal parties (especially the Flemish Open VLD) in Brussels Remember, these votes are always expressed in % of voters in Flanders or Wallonia, not the % for all of Belgium. The smaller map on the bottom left shows the results in 2010.
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May 26, 2014 08:33
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Did this sudden uptick in the far-right happen anywhere besides France, Britain and Denmark? Those are the ones I keep reading about.
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May 26, 2014 08:48
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Lycus posted:Did this sudden uptick in the far-right happen anywhere besides France, Britain and Denmark? Those are the ones I keep reading about.  Yellow: Danish People's Party Blue: Liberals Red: Social Democrats Magenta: Slightly more leftists-in-theory Social Democrats
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May 26, 2014 09:49
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Albino Squirrel posted:gently caress me. Are there that many fascists in France or is it just that nobody cares about the Euro elections except National Front supporters? Turnout was really low, especially among very young people. That said, the FN is legitimately doing very well, just not as well as these elections would have you think. A lot of FN voters aren't outright fascists but they do have fascist tendencies. As an immigrant this scares the poo poo out of me. e: Also  I'm just worried that eventually the UMP is going to either break the cordon sanitaire or explode and a good chunk of its electorate gets gobbled by the FN. Golbez posted:Do the overseas departments vote in European elections? Yes, but to be honest the French seem to forget they exist the way Americans forget places like Guam and the Virgin Islands exist. Kurtofan posted:Jesus Seine saint denis. They came in 5th in Rennes, which makes me feel a tiny bit less bad about things. Also, the FN did getter than regionalists every here except in a few km radius around Carhaix where everyone voted for Troadec, the unofficial leader of the Bonnets Rouges. I'm glad to see Brittany is still resistant to the FN's message relative to the rest of France but it's still really depressing.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, you get to vote for the people actually setting the course of the EU, so it makes sense that you would see it as more democratic. The actions of the EU put to lie the notion of it being democratic in any other sense than people getting to vote every once in a while though. That's like saying people from California should be more motivated to vote / more confident in American democracy than people from Kentucky. Cause California is no more the ruler of the USA than Germany is the ruler of the EU.
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May 26, 2014 10:29
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The percentage of population living in poverty in Europe, according to Eurostat:
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mcustic posted:The percentage of population living in poverty in Europe, according to Eurostat: Slovenia should be light green instead of orange according to the percentage. Other than that, drat Bulgaria is almost at 50%
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May 26, 2014 11:10
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mcustic posted:The percentage of population living in poverty in Europe, according to Eurostat: What definition of poverty does this map use? Absolute (i.e. below a fixed amount in a fixed period) or relative (i.e. a certain percentage below the median)? I'm guessing the latter since otherwise the numbers wouldn't make any sense for a lot of countries. Of course this means the "poor" of one country would be part of the "not poor" in another.
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May 26, 2014 11:23
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If it was a certain percentage below the median, wouldn't it be the same proportion everywhere?
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May 26, 2014 11:35
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It should be 60 % of median income, after adding welfare transfers.
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May 26, 2014 11:39
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Golbez posted:Do the overseas departments vote in European elections? Yeah, it's a bit complicated. The Overseas departments and territories form a single European constituency with 3 MEPs, but this constituency is divided in 3 subsections, each electing 1 MEP: Atlantic section (departments and territories in NA, SA and the Caribbeans); Indian Ocean (Réunion and Mayotte); Pacific (New Caledonia/French Polynesia) This election, Atlantic elected a PS MEP, Indian Ocean elected an MEP from the Overseas Union party (which will join the European Left Group) and Pacific voted for a UMP MEP.
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Bloodnose posted:If it was a certain percentage below the median, wouldn't it be the same proportion everywhere?
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May 26, 2014 11:45
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steinrokkan posted:That's like saying people from California should be more motivated to vote / more confident in American democracy than people from Kentucky. Cause California is no more the ruler of the USA than Germany is the ruler of the EU. Most importantly, you just have to look at how the EU actually does its thing in the real world to see Germany has a disproportionate amount of influence. Bloodnose posted:If it was a certain percentage below the median, wouldn't it be the same proportion everywhere?
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Frostwerks posted:I didn't even look at the colors lol. I do know that there used to be some in the cold war though. Does anyone have a map of known US military bases marked with dots or something? US millitary bases, 2004 (red are overseas bases, purple are territory bases). Note this doesn't include troops/advisors in foreign countries which explains Africa.  US bases AND troops/advisors, also with some interesting info about number of countries with US troops.  For balance, French overseas deployments.  And more balance, British/Russian/French overseas bases. This is a poo poo map because some countries have more than one foreign base - 3 for example refers to the British bases in Germany but ignores the US bases. It's pretty much got the British bases spot on though, except 1 which refers to British bases in Scotland. (?!?!?!?!) 
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duckmaster posted:US millitary bases, 2004 (red are overseas bases, purple are territory bases). Note this doesn't include troops/advisors in foreign countries which explains Africa. Both of these are using at least ten year old information. Anyone have a map from this decade at least?
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