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qntm posted:this rules, i've wanted it for years and years, hope it becomes standard in all text editors
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coffeetable posted:your type system obv isnt strong enough let's see how that deals with 'carrying a live grenade' problem that is I/O 2010 posted:-- TODO: Better handling of codecs, don't just hard-wire UTF-8! going places I'm sure
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May 25, 2014 23:42
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coffeetable posted:In the same way as functions are not allowed to crash, they must also waiiiiiiiiit a minute
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May 26, 2014 00:06
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GrumpyDoctor posted:waiiiiiiiiit a minute it only covers certain forms of recursion
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May 26, 2014 00:19
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KARMA! posted:being a programmer is very profitable whatever lang you choose for reals. some days i hate my job but then i think, i make twice as much as i did in my blue collar career with the potential to earn way way more in the future and i'm getting paid those fat bucks to sit on my rear end and do nothing 3/4 of the time
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May 26, 2014 02:07
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Malcolm XML posted:unit tests are a poor man's type system Never before have I seen such a succinct expression of the non-termination of dependant type systems.
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May 26, 2014 02:20
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do any of you have tips on finding programmers to collaborate with on programming projects? feel like they should be everywhere but are surprisingly hard to find. maybe because I am looking to work in python?
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May 26, 2014 02:26
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nrook posted:I wonder how many small modern/startup shops have unit tests I've become the 'write unit tests' guy on one of the projects I'm working on here and the other dude hates it and keeps getting fussy about not doing "TDD"
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May 26, 2014 03:08
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syntaxrigger posted:do any of you have tips on finding programmers to collaborate with on programming projects? feel like they should be everywhere but are surprisingly hard to find. maybe because I am looking to work in python? nobody wants to "collaborate" with your dumb rear end and form a shared vision. they have they own fuckin ideas and they don't need you pissin in the pool you can either contribute code to someone else's project, furthering their goals and in line with their design choices OR you can make a project so useful that other people start contributing and conforming to your design
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May 26, 2014 03:09
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fritz posted:I've become the 'write unit tests' guy on one of the projects I'm working on here and the other dude hates it and keeps getting fussy about not doing "TDD" there was one "integration test" before i started, and on the other project i touch i had at one point written 100% of the unit tests which covered maybe 5% of the total code base, thankfully that's starting to change but the only automatic evaluation was 'does it compile'
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May 26, 2014 03:10
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:nobody wants to "collaborate" with your dumb rear end and form a shared vision. they have they own fuckin ideas and they don't need you pissin in the pool never said it was my project just looking to program on the same thing with other ppl i would rather hangout in person instead of subjecting a nameless developer to my lovely code
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May 26, 2014 03:15
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syntaxrigger posted:never said it was my project looking for JS bro to charge my crystal with, no gay stuff
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May 26, 2014 03:26
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uncurable mlady posted:looking for JS bro to charge my crystal with, no gay stuff
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May 26, 2014 03:28
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I'm not saying that testing is bad but TDD is a great excuse to bikeshed worthless poo poo. tbc was (kinda) right
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May 26, 2014 03:36
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syntaxrigger posted:i would rather hangout in person instead of subjecting a nameless developer to my lovely code get a job, it's this all day. open source doesn't really lend itself to in-person collaboration until you reach the highest levels / innermost circles, at which point it is a full time job anyway or just start going to local industry events and talking shop
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May 26, 2014 03:37
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Symbolic Butt posted:I'm not saying that testing is bad but TDD is a great excuse to bikeshed worthless poo poo. all code leads to bikeshedding, because coders are insufferable people
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May 26, 2014 03:37
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Symbolic Butt posted:I'm not saying that testing is bad but TDD is a great excuse to bikeshed worthless poo poo. i think fritz is saying that he just wants to implement some tests period and his coworker is being all "herp derp i heard someone say 'tdd' is dumb".
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May 26, 2014 03:57
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:all code leads to bikeshedding, because coders are insufferable people Don't sign you are posts
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May 26, 2014 03:59
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ultramiraculous posted:i think fritz is saying that he just wants to implement some tests period and his coworker is being all "herp derp i heard someone say 'tdd' is dumb". thats it exactly, he's confused 'have any unit tests at all' with 'tdd'
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May 26, 2014 04:10
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it's me, I'm fussy about TDD
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May 26, 2014 04:13
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:all code leads to bikeshedding, because coders are insufferable people this except all engineering/engineers not to imply that coders are a subset of engineers, simply to suggest that something about the autistic disciplines really brings out the sperglord in everyone
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May 26, 2014 06:51
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Bloody posted:this except all engineering/engineers as opposed to most other white collar work which consists of nothing but bike shedding and occasional data entry
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May 26, 2014 08:38
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syntaxrigger posted:do any of you have tips on finding programmers to collaborate with on programming projects? echoing this: Notorious b.s.d. posted:you can either contribute code to someone else's project, furthering their goals and in line with their design choices group work under a shared vision owned by no-one in particular is a bad thing that leads to nothing getting done.
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May 26, 2014 10:46
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my wife and i make decisions by mutual agreement because we're deciding things that actually matter and there's only 2 of us. as the size of the consensus group increases the probability of convergence declines. eventually you change to voting or nothing is ever decided. even with only 2 people decision by consensus is incredibly cumbersome unless the participants already agree on almost everything for any given software question there should be exactly one person with authority over the answer. on a healthy team there will be a lot of respectful discussion and decision-makers will welcome it, but ultimately someone has to make the decision & enforce it
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May 26, 2014 14:22
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:for any given software question there should be exactly one person with authority over the answer. on a healthy team there will be a lot of respectful discussion and decision-makers will welcome it, but ultimately someone has to make the decision & enforce it if only i'd ever seen this instead of weak-kneed "cto"s holding repetitive meetings about the same issues, invariably ending with everyone tiredly waiting for a ruling in this court of bullshit that will never come
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May 26, 2014 14:56
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my workwife is my housewife ;_; smdh
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May 26, 2014 14:56
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Stubbs posted:if only i'd ever seen this instead of weak-kneed "cto"s holding repetitive meetings about the same issues, invariably ending with everyone tiredly waiting for a ruling in this court of bullshit that will never come urgh, so many meetings playing guess what the CTO wants the answer to be by getting them to veto every suggestion until we guess the right one.
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tef posted:echoing this: thanks tef guess I need to find a project because all of my programming ideas are poo poo
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May 26, 2014 17:50
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What interests you, syntaxrigger? Is there anything that seems cool or exciting that you would feel happy about working on full-time?
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syntaxrigger posted:thanks tef my approach to finding new projects
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Suspicious Dish posted:What interests you, syntaxrigger? Is there anything that seems cool or exciting that you would feel happy about working on full-time? I am interested in data science and the bitcoin protocol, not the currency. If I am honest I don't feel really know what is out there. APIs seem neat but that also seems like a trivial stupid thing to say. I feel excited working on projects with other people, like in a hack-a-thon type environment but when I work on projects solo I never get anything done which is frustrating. I am not far enough in my software career where I feel confident I can build something non-trivial solo. I feel like there is too much poo poo I don't know. My old boss knew of my interests and suggested I learn python while reading up on data science.
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Sure, but at a broad scale, what interests you. You might not know, but start thinking about it! Want to get down-and-dirty with bare metal working on filesystems? Or have fun implementing all the latest PLangs with compiler / JIT / VM / GC internals? Or visualize the future of computing with realtime 3D graphics, sound, physics and VR systems? Or work on cool apps, maybe even graphics stuff like Photoshop / Illustrator? Any of that sound exciting and make you want to open your text editor and start coding? I can point you to plenty of open-source projects in any of these areas, and plenty more.
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May 26, 2014 18:15
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syntaxrigger posted:I am not far enough in my software career where I feel confident I can build something non-trivial solo. i started programming last fall and have since made this and this along with piles of smaller stuff. they're so simple that a component programmer could've turned either of them out in a few days compared to the weeks/months it took me, but that's fine cause i learnt a spectacular amount in the process
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May 26, 2014 18:41
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Suspicious Dish posted:Sure, but at a broad scale, what interests you. You might not know, but start thinking about it! Want to get down-and-dirty with bare metal working on filesystems? Or have fun implementing all the latest PLangs with compiler / JIT / VM / GC internals? Or visualize the future of computing with realtime 3D graphics, sound, physics and VR systems? Or work on cool apps, maybe even graphics stuff like Photoshop / Illustrator? I am interested in developing web apps to help communities engage in collective action or just an app that does cool things.
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May 26, 2014 18:50
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syntaxrigger posted:I am interested in developing web apps to help communities engage in collective action or just an app that does cool things. You probably want to check out github.com then! Good luck!
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coffeetable posted:i started programming last fall and have since made this and this along with piles of smaller stuff. they're so simple that a component programmer could've turned either of them out in a few days compared to the weeks/months it took me, but that's fine cause i learnt a spectacular amount in the process that commutes and rent app is p sweet syntaxrigger fucked around with this message at 19:04 on May 26, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 18:56
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Suspicious Dish posted:You probably want to check out github.com then! Good luck! So...I have certainly heard of github and I have used git everyday for about a year. I have been in industry for about 3 years now and while i wouldn't consider myself an expert, i am certainly not a novice. I was just interested in any tips that people might have in meeting up with programmers to work on projects. Telling a programmer to check out github is like telling a journalist to check out a library. trap spung, serious posting, blah blah blah
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syntaxrigger posted:So...I have certainly heard of github and I have used git everyday for about a year. I have been in industry for about 3 years now and while i wouldn't consider myself an expert, i am certainly not a novice. I was just interested in any tips that people might have in meeting up with programmers to work on projects. Telling a programmer to check out github is like telling a journalist to check out a library. if you wanna do things irl then you gotta either go to meetups or ask your friends if they want to jo and write some poo poo also hackathons can be legit fun so long as you dont take them seriously, drink a lot of the beer and/or steal some, and pick something to write that is borderline offensive
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http://vimeo.com/95066828 James Mickens at Monitorama on the cloud, security, etc.
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FamDav posted:if you wanna do things irl then you gotta either go to meetups or ask your friends if they want to jo and write some poo poo thanks
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