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LemonDrizzle posted:Ruh-roh: Lib Dems face defeat in 'safe' seats So the key to the next parliament might not be who can convince the Lib Dems to join them, but who can take the Lib Dems' seats. Labour looks ahead on that front, with a 17% swing to them in Cambridge, 14% in Redcar (not that the Conservatives would ever win there), 17% in Sheffield Hallam. Whereas the Conservatives would take Wells while actually having their vote share decrease by 1%. With current polling (35/34/10), that could be a small Labour majority, leaving the Lib Dems with less than 20 seats, most of them going to the Conservatives, given that they're mostly in the South, but also 20 odd going to Labour. Also interesting how much improvement a leadership change appears to bring about for them, and also how much more preferable Cable appears to be. Alecto fucked around with this message at 21:44 on May 26, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 21:35
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Alecto posted:Also interesting how much improvement a leadership change appears to bring about for them, and also how much more preferable Cable appears to be. Amusing how Danny Alexander somehow drags them up despite few knowing who he is (and the ones that do mostly think him a dick). I imagine an 'anyone but Clegg' would have the same effect.
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May 26, 2014 21:41
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Noxville posted:Amusing how Danny Alexander somehow drags them up despite few knowing who he is (and the ones that do mostly think him a dick). I imagine an 'anyone but Clegg' would have the same effect. I say bring back Charlie Kennedy, give him a bottle of scotch, and let God sort it out.
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May 26, 2014 21:44
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marktheando posted:Yeah I remember people talking about how Clegg's seat was in danger right after the last general election. Pretty much the first act the Tories made once they got their feet under the table was cancel a loan - not a grant, just a loan - to Forgemasters that would have allowed them to gear up for making the new generation of nukes that - like it or not - are absolutely required in the next two decades. Even if the following four years had been an unqualified success, Clegg would have been unelectable because of the (probably rightful) perception that he was responsible for the loss of hundreds of new jobs. I'm fairly certain that's the political equivalent of one of those fictional gang initiations where you have to go kill someone for no reason for ickle Nick, and he's probably baffled to this day why Dave and Gideon still flick bits of paper at the back of his head all the time.
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May 26, 2014 21:46
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marktheando posted:Yeah I remember people talking about how Clegg's seat was in danger right after the last general election. Sheffield was strongly tory-safe prior to 96 - which was always a surprise to me when I was living there in 94/95 - with the SDP-Liberal Alliance/lib dems a distant second (~ 25k to 12k iirc), in 96 it flipped to the same numbers but in reverse. Thus its not really surprising that it could easily flip back.
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Noxville posted:Amusing how Danny Alexander somehow drags them up despite few knowing who he is (and the ones that do mostly think him a dick). I imagine an 'anyone but Clegg' would have the same effect. We might actually be in one of those very rare scenarios where the negatives of appearing in disarray less than a year out from the election are outweighed by the sheer loathing for a party leader. In a bizarre twist of fate, the only way for Clegg to hold his seat might well be to let Cable take over. Though I find it hard to believe that his constituents are suddenly a lot more likely to vote for Clegg if Cable becomes leader. SybilVimes posted:Sheffield was strongly tory-safe prior to 96 - which was always a surprise to me when I was living there in 94/95 - with the SDP-Liberal Alliance/lib dems a distant second (~ 25k to 12k iirc), in 96 it flipped to the same numbers but in reverse. Except the poll suggests it's flipping to Labour with a huge swing. Alecto fucked around with this message at 21:52 on May 26, 2014 |
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Trickjaw posted:I say bring back Charlie Kennedy, give him a bottle of scotch, and let God sort it out. At least someone would finally step up and just tell Farage to get hosed.
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May 26, 2014 21:51
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:At least someone would finally step up and just tell Farage to get hosed.
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May 26, 2014 21:58
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Alecto posted:So the key to the next parliament might not be who can convince the Lib Dems to join them, but who can take the Lib Dems' seats. Labour looks ahead on that front, with a 17% swing to them in Cambridge, 14% in Redcar (not that the Conservatives would ever win there), 17% in Sheffield Hallam. Whereas the Conservatives would take Wells while actually having their vote share decrease by 1%. With current polling (35/34/10), that could be a small Labour majority, leaving the Lib Dems with less than 20 seats, most of them going to the Conservatives, given that they're mostly in the South, but also 20 odd going to Labour. Isn't Sheffield Hallam traditionally a Tory seat? I'd be surprised if it went to Labour, they've never won there. I don't think I could hack it if Danny Alexander would be named the new Lib Dem leader, he's an empty vessel and I'm still quietly hopefully we'll be able to vote him out of office next year.
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forkboy84 posted:Isn't Sheffield Hallam traditionally a Tory seat? I'd be surprised if it went to Labour, they've never won there. Well that's the contention of the poll. What appears to be loving the Tories is that Labour gain hugely from the Lib Dems (and them a bit), but the Tory leaning Lib Dems stay with Clegg. Hence Labour win 33 to the Lib Dems 23 and the Conservatives probably barely behind that. If the Lib Dems were utterly abandoned the Tories probably would win.
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May 26, 2014 22:04
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Zephro posted:Which would probably give Farage another percentage point in the polls. The 'debates' would have gone far better if the Lib Dem response was "ach, get tae gently caress!" to everything Farage spouted.
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May 26, 2014 22:04
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Danny Alexander isn't electable. Vince Cable will get hammered if he takes over. "The next leader of the Lib Dems: that bloke who privatised the post office and gave lots of money to the bankers!". Shame, as Cable actually seems like a decent guy.
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forkboy84 posted:Isn't Sheffield Hallam traditionally a Tory seat? I'd be surprised if it went to Labour, they've never won there. Cable and Alexander are both terminally tainted by their association - either individually or occasionally together - with every nasty thing the Tories have done. Same goes to a lesser extent to their entire front bench. Simon Hughes seems like a good bet - he's disliked by Clegg and most of the rest of the front bench, which is a pretty good position to be in, and is well-liked in the local government wing of the party which has been much less badly-affected as might be expected by the coalition. However if he gets the leadership he'll probably end up being a fall guy because I can see it falling apart altogether if the election goes badly enough. (I'll leave aside the personal life stuff because a) it shouldn't be an issue anyway and b) neither labour nor the Tories can really use it against him either, for different reasons, so it probably wouldn't be an issue. Mind you he could be Denis Nilsen and it would still only be slightly less terminal to his electoral charges than being a Liberal Democrat)
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May 26, 2014 22:17
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I thought Farron was supposed to be front runner to replace Clegg anyway.
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May 26, 2014 22:22
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Gove has written an article explaining the book thing: http://t.co/P39RPx1UcP Not true, apparently.
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SybilVimes posted:I thought Farron was supposed to be front runner to replace Clegg anyway. I have heard that a while back, but he has never really struck me as being interested in being on the firing line (wisely) Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 22:29 on May 26, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 22:26
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SybilVimes posted:I thought Farron was supposed to be front runner to replace Clegg anyway. "Who the gently caress is that? For all I know he could be the leader of the Special Boat Service!"
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May 26, 2014 22:27
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goddamnedtwisto posted:"Who the gently caress is that? For all I know he could be the leader of the Special Boat Service!" Hey, his name sounds a BIT like Farage, it might work as a trick to get the 'really loving stupid racist' vote.
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May 26, 2014 22:28
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Literally parachute Pantsdown back into the job, knife between his teeth and sten gun blazing.
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May 26, 2014 22:31
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thehustler posted:Gove has written an article explaining the book thing: That article is loving hilarious. Of course you can teach Of Mice and Men, as long as you also teach "a whole Shakespeare play, poetry from 1789 including the romantics, a 19th-century novel and some fiction or drama written in the British Isles since 1914". Perfectly reasonable.
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May 26, 2014 22:32
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I know, it's ridiculous isn't it
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baronvonsabre posted:That article is loving hilarious. Of course you can teach Of Mice and Men, as long as you also teach "a whole Shakespeare play, poetry from 1789 including the romantics, a 19th-century novel and some fiction or drama written in the British Isles since 1914". Perfectly reasonable. Then again when I did GCSE English the only thing missing from that list that I did was the poetry, we did about three Shakespeares and two American novels as well as Austen and the war poets.
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baronvonsabre posted:That article is loving hilarious. Of course you can teach Of Mice and Men, as long as you also teach "a whole Shakespeare play, poetry from 1789 including the romantics, a 19th-century novel and some fiction or drama written in the British Isles since 1914". Perfectly reasonable. I'm pretty sure I did all of those things for GCSE, as well as A View From the Bridge by Arthur Miller. I don't think it's that impossible.
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GCSE is two years, isn't it? Gove is a scumbag but unless we've got teachers in the thread to correct me that sounds a lot like what I did around that age and seems possible?
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May 26, 2014 22:48
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We did: Of Mice & Men, To Kill a Mockingbird, Merchant of Venice, Romeo & Juliet, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, and Canterbury Tales. I'm pretty sure you could swap one of OM&M/TKaM and one of MoV/R&J to some dickens and something modern and still be happy. e: I should point out that I'm pretty sure that studying Rime of the Ancient Mariner was just a pretense for being able to get class to watch a 20-minute long bootleg video of Iron Maiden's version filmed in some seedy pub. I wouldn't put it past our english lit teacher at the time. SybilVimes fucked around with this message at 22:59 on May 26, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 22:56
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SybilVimes posted:Hey, his name sounds a BIT like Farage, it might work as a trick to get the 'really loving stupid racist' vote. I like this idea. "Ok Mr Farron congratulations on your election. Now we want you to never be seen in public without a pint in one hand, a cigarette in the other. And a look of inhuman smugness on your face" "Why do i hav - Just trust us sir, it's all part of the plan."
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Gove posted:A specification that allows for Keats and Heaney, Shakespeare and Miller, the Brontės and Pinter was welcomed by teachers, who recognise that English literature has an unparalleled range of writers who can inspire young minds. Am I misreading this or is he saying that Seamus Heaney and Arthur Miller are English?
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Praseodymi posted:Am I misreading this or is he saying that Seamus Heaney and Arthur Miller are English? Or perhaps he's referring to the English language?
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Whitefish posted:I'm pretty sure I did all of those things for GCSE, as well as A View From the Bridge by Arthur Miller. I don't think it's that impossible. Fair enough, but I can only base it on what I know, and there was absolutely no time to cover that much in any kind of depth in Standard Grade.
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Mike Hancock's lost his council seat at least, even if it was to a Ukipper. He's still an MP but he's independent while the Lib Dems have suspended him. The BBC are trivialising his previous behaviour a little: for "sexual misconduct", read "a QC says there's 'compelling evidence' that he sexually assaulted a constituent and harassed her for months despite knowing she was suffering from an illness and had been a victim of previous sexual abuse", they don't just mean some consensual-but-weird sex scandal or something.
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May 27, 2014 02:40
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So has Farage appeared astride a giant to declare he runs Bartertown yet
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May 27, 2014 05:58
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Stottie Kyek posted:The BBC are trivialising his previous behaviour a little: for "sexual misconduct", read "a QC says there's 'compelling evidence' that he sexually assaulted a constituent and harassed her for months despite knowing she was suffering from an illness and had been a victim of previous sexual abuse", they don't just mean some consensual-but-weird sex scandal or something. Ever heard of libel?
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ronya posted:now he's a "consummate politician" rather than a racist outsider Did "consummate politician" ever not mean "racist insider"?
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What do you think their "response" will be? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27583545
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Jippa posted:What do you think their "response" will be? The photo on that is perfect Cameron looking concerned and willing to make the tough decisions Clegg looking worriedly over his shoulder Miliband looking both smug and humble at the same time Farage in a pub
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In "brocialists are scumbags" non-shocker, over in Ireland, men are already turning on Brid Smith, the People Before Profit candidate, for "splitting the left-wing vote" and causing Paul Murphy, the Socialist Party candidate, to lose his seat. Of course, you can't really do that under STV. Meanwhile, a case of electoral fraud has been found! Unluckily for right-wing racists, it was in Oxford University SU's NUS disaffiliation referendum: NUS Referendum declared void posted:A Junior Tribunal convened on Monday afternoon has found the result of the NUS referendum conducted last week to be void, following the revelation over the weekend of evidence of grave electoral malpractice.
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Crane Fist posted:So has Farage appeared astride a giant to declare he runs Bartertown yet Master Bastard.
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