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emptyspace posted:Not entirely true. They're also apparently against higher taxes on rich people, according to this commercial from last year: At a certain point, its an economic windfall for many members. I remember reading about how gun store owners would make sure to post the "Obama's coming to take our guns/ammo" stories in their store because customers would drive for hundreds of miles to stock up on ammo they thought was going to be outlawed.
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Somehow I doubt anything will be done about mental health care. It seems even worse now because of all the partisanship and paranoia and hatred people have for each other now, and the right wing's love for demonizing the more vulnerable members of society. The constant publicity that mass shootings get only make people more paranoid about each other. This has affected me personally because I have a long history of depressive disorders. I was hospitalized for it at one point and they treated people there like criminals. It's like how people mock people with autism or asperger syndrome all over the internet now. Autism or "sperg" or whatever is used as a slur against people you don't like. It's especially rich when liberals who argue for gay rights and equality use a mental condition as a slur. People disgust me.
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The right wing gun nuts who say we need mental health solutions to gun crime are literally referring to the forced institutionalization of people they deem mentally unfit. It takes a lot of twisting to get them to admit it, too, but if you prod enough eventually they'll just say something vague like "these people shouldn't be out on the streets."
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pentyne posted:At a certain point, its an economic windfall for many members. I remember reading about how gun store owners would make sure to post the "Obama's coming to take our guns/ammo" stories in their store because customers would drive for hundreds of miles to stock up on ammo they thought was going to be outlawed. Kenzie posted:Somehow I doubt anything will be done about mental health care. It seems even worse now because of all the partisanship and paranoia and hatred people have for each other now, and the right wing's love for demonizing the more vulnerable members of society. The constant publicity that mass shootings get only make people more paranoid about each other. Kenzie posted:It's like how people mock people with autism or asperger syndrome all over the internet now. Autism or "sperg" or whatever is used as a slur against people you don't like. It's especially rich when liberals who argue for gay rights and equality use a mental condition as a slur. People disgust me. mr. mephistopheles posted:The right wing gun nuts who say we need mental health solutions to gun crime are literally referring to the forced institutionalization of people they deem mentally unfit. It takes a lot of twisting to get them to admit it, too, but if you prod enough eventually they'll just say something vague like "these people shouldn't be out on the streets." Hazo fucked around with this message at 06:26 on May 27, 2014 |
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God drat those are some leading questions.
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# ? May 27, 2014 06:38 |
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ErIog posted:All the hate Cenk gets is mostly from him being a smug prick who feels like kinda maybe the Armenian genocide didn't happen. Few people would contend he isn't funny sometimes. The problem is that he's grating even over the course of a 2-3 minute clip even though he might actually say a funny thing or make a good point. I think Cenk has come around on the Armenian Genocide though he definitely denied it when he was a shithead college Republican.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:God drat those are some leading questions. The fact that one choice literally says criminals should be allowed to own guns with no restrictions and a third of people still picked it makes me dubious of the "even the Tea Party supports basic reform!" claim.
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Kenzie posted:Somehow I doubt anything will be done about mental health care. It seems even worse now because of all the partisanship and paranoia and hatred people have for each other now, and the right wing's love for demonizing the more vulnerable members of society. The constant publicity that mass shootings get only make people more paranoid about each other. This has affected me personally because I have a long history of depressive disorders. I was hospitalized for it at one point and they treated people there like criminals. On the other hand, I've been shouted down and called a "neurotypical ableist" because I said maybe mental illness is the cause of a lot of shootings.
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Post 9-11 User posted:The NYDN is purestrain tabloid poo poo. At least it isn't as poo poo as the New York Post?
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Sir Tonk posted:
That sure is a cover of the Daily News on the cover of the Daily News.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:God drat those are some leading questions. Hazo fucked around with this message at 11:01 on May 27, 2014 |
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mr. mephistopheles posted:The right wing gun nuts who say we need mental health solutions to gun crime are literally referring to the forced institutionalization of people they deem mentally unfit. It takes a lot of twisting to get them to admit it, too, but if you prod enough eventually they'll just say something vague like "these people shouldn't be out on the streets." Yet, somehow these same people don't want to actually have to pay for it and supported Reagan's shuttering of institutions. And yes, some people do need to be institutionalized, though I wouldn't want these clowns to be the ones to make that determination.
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Hazo posted:And yet almost one third of Tea Partiers thinks criminals deserve the same rights to guns as everyone else. And two-thirds of them picked the inane "I've got nothing to hide!" option. Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.
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Hazo posted:And yet almost one third of Tea Partiers thinks criminals deserve the same rights to guns as everyone else. This is starting to sound like an unironic approval of "tough on crime" rhetoric.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:The right wing gun nuts who say we need mental health solutions to gun crime are literally referring to the forced institutionalization of people they deem mentally unfit. It takes a lot of twisting to get them to admit it, too, but if you prod enough eventually they'll just say something vague like "these people shouldn't be out on the streets." Mental health issues are one of the major causes of homelessness. Shockingly, it is hard for an untreated schizophrenic to hold a regular job. Reagan's gutting the public health budget resulted in the shuttering of mental health clinics across the nation so now instead of getting help these people end up living on the streets, in jail, or in the ground. They shouldn't be out on the streets, they should be getting the treatment they need, the treatment we used to provide.
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The ACLU, I believe, but definitely liberal organizations were equally at fault on that very narrow, particular point. Granted, they had a good reason post-Willowbrook and all the RD Laing stuff to do what they did, but they basically made it impossible to hold people against their will for mental health reasons without a process so arduous that it's essentially untenable from what I gather. I suppose this may vary on the state level, but the latitude can only be so much. They wanted to protect civil rights in the wake of the discovery that mentally ill (and lots of not-mentally-ill) people were being stacked in state institutions like cord wood, which makes a lot of sense, but it turns out that the ability to commit someone at least for the short term without calling the police, having them perform an interview and then going through a legal review is actually pretty important, because the mental health professionals are who you want making that call and when people are cray cray and about to snap you need to err on the side of caution and not based on what Sheriff Billy Bob thinks. Reagan's reforms basically just gutted funding, making sure that even those who were under treatment or would submit to treatment would find it difficult, which of course came from absolutely zero noble intention.
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computer parts posted:This is starting to sound like an unironic approval of "tough on crime" rhetoric.
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You know, I can even totally see an argument against background checks, or against revoking the gun rights of criminals in the first place, on the basis that--it might be easy for me to say that it doesn't affect me because I'm not a criminal, but in a way that's an expression of my privilege; if you're not a straight white man then the American justice system doesn't really need a reason to declare you a lawbreaker, and so me saying "well, I've got nothing to hide" rests on the support of my privileged social position. But somehow I don't think that's quite what the respondents to this survey were thinking.
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Hazo posted:And yet almost one third of Tea Partiers thinks criminals deserve the same rights to guns as everyone else. That's the real takeaway there. It's a completely broken poll meant to skew the sample towards gun control and you still end up with nearly a third still looking for some line in the sand where they'd approve the removal of a gun from someones hands. We need to invent a new word for a super-fetish.
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# ? May 27, 2014 19:41 |
Religious zealot?
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Seems to me that even if we already had background checks it would be a brutal battle to get guns taken away based on mental health. For one thing the first group that would have a bunch of guns taken away would probably be veterans, right? They pop into my head as very likely to have some kind of documented psych profile and also own guns. The next group of people would probably be white middle class families with teenagers in therapy, for the same reasons. Neither of those two things would be popular, even given all the mass shootings on military bases and by white kids in schools. Republicans won't even need the NRA to raise voices against laws like that. I'm not 100% sure my liberal rear end agrees with those kinds of regulations, I don't care what regulations are put on firearms but in general I agree with the ACLU that it should be pretty damned difficult to alter someone's rights based on their perceived mental state.
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That also might have the unintended side effect of people with possible mental disorders not getting them treated out of fear of having weapons confiscated.
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You could probably do a gun buddy system, where you sign off on another gun owner's sanity and if he fucks up you both lose your guns.
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moths posted:You could probably do a gun buddy system, where you sign off on another gun owner's sanity and if he fucks up you both lose your guns. The year is 2024 - FOX: 10 tips for avoiding the massive gov't gun grab cascade set off by Ted Nugent.
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Fried Chicken posted:Mental health issues are one of the major causes of homelessness. Shockingly, it is hard for an untreated schizophrenic to hold a regular job. Reagan's gutting the public health budget resulted in the shuttering of mental health clinics across the nation so now instead of getting help these people end up living on the streets, in jail, or in the ground. No need to preach to me, sir. And they're just saying the mentally ill should be in jail in a roundabout pussy way that sounds less monstrous. They are absolutely not advocating for greater spending and expansion of facilities that cater to mental health. They basically want having a mental illness to be a jailable offense in itself. The party who thinks a semi-regulated private insurance marketplace is godless socialism does not want government funded mental health facilities. You saying "they shouldn't be out on the streets" has completely different implications than when they say it. Also cool story, a former coworker who was a mindless Reagan worshiping conservative had his mind blown when I told him what Reagan did to mental health facilities in the US. He had absolutely no idea. Of course it only made him question his worldview for half a second before the programming retook, but it was there.
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Wasn't there a gun-grabbing nanny state panic in the right a few years ago when a crazy person lost his guns for posting crazy poo poo on Facebook?
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Limbaugh spent about an hour musing over the meanings of The Hunger Games. Let's just get a little dose of context because this whole thing started as a fairly benign comment as he ranted about the recent shooting in Santa Barbara quote:RUSH: The kid in Santa Barbara, Isla Vista. Everything that has happened since is utterly predictable. Everybody on the left is taking another real human tragedy and converting it into a political issue, the purpose of which is to advance their political agenda, in this case: get rid of the Second Amendment and confiscate everybody's guns. And they're all out in unison. quote:RUSH: The thing about abstinence, let's say in preventing AIDS or pregnancy, is abstinence works every time it's tried. Every drat time it works. It prevents unwanted pregnancy, it prevents sexually transmitted diseases, it prevents HIV. Haha, yes if you just raised the shooter to be abstinent none of this would have happened. Back to The Hunger Games though! quote:RUSH: ... Let's take a look at Star Wars. Do you think that young people, when they watched Star Wars, the first three of 'em back in the -- had to be the seventies and I guess some into the eighties, you had Darth Vader, the evil emperor. You had their Death Star, and they were out to wipe out everybody who stood in their way from little Yoda to Luke Skywalker, to Princess Leia, and all of those, you know, oddball little freedom fighter guys. quote:CALLER: ... So I got a little upset about what you said because I think 99.999% of the time you are right. But The Hunger Games is not just about kids killing kids. When you read the whole series, it's about a revolution. It's about people mad at a government who's been oppressing them and who take over and attack the government. I actually -- quote:RUSH: You know what I thought I'd do? I thought I'd go to some popular liberal website and just put in the search term "Hunger Games" and see what I got, and that's what I did. I went to the Huffing and Puffington Post, and I entered "Hunger Games" as a search term, and I found a headline to a story on the Hunger Games movies at the Huffing and Puffington Post. Do you want to know what it says? What are your thoughts on Wall-E, Mr. Limbaugh
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What's with the interrupts in the transcripts? Is he constantly being corrected by his producer or someone in the other booth? Edit: Hollywood making a movie about people overthrowing a Government! NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 23:25 on May 27, 2014 |
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Only Limbaugh could straight tell you he's leading a discussion about something he knows absolutely nothing about, doesn't care that he doesn't know, and frame it as some principled stance against people who would know what they're talking about. He accidentally summed up his entire schtick there. Edit: He's literally googling the goddamn title on HuffPo to find something to talk about and he's telling you that he's doing this . Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 23:26 on May 27, 2014 |
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BigRed0427 posted:What's with the interrupts in the transcripts? Is he constantly being corrected by his producer or someone in the other booth?
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I also like how he taps into "the American dream doesn't exist for Millennials" due to crushing debt and a lack of support and somehow tries to turn it around onto Obama. Like they would have been just fine if it wasn't for him being elected.
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That poor woman is right. Our education system has failed. Otherwise, she wouldn't be so drat parochial and would see that the relationship between the Capitol and the Districts is not a metaphor for DC and the states, but a metaphor for America and the developing world. Sadly, our education system has left her so miopic and uncurious, she can't even consider a world beyond her borders.
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"I've managed to keep an old mind and not become an old fuddy duddy. Now listen while I rant about kids-these-days and their movies and completely ignore people who tell me that the movie is something other than what I think it is!"
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Hollywood has made movies like "The Hunger Games" since the beginning of time. They've generally been critical of a oligarchies and the blending of private/public life. Logan's run THX-1138 Network A Clockwork Orange Rollerball "Escape from New York"/"Escape from LA" The Terminator Series Blade Runner Star Wars Damnit..now I want to go watch some of these movies again. Don't the Koch Bros. want to make the plot of "RollerBall" a reality? ("Jonathan!", "Jonathan!", "Jonathen!) e: gently caress forgot about Starship Troopers which is critical of the Military Industrial complex.
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# ? May 28, 2014 00:03 |
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Don't forget Death Race 2000 and They Live.
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Weren't there a bunch of Tea Party people that did Hunger Games cosplay at a convention? Rush trying to make connections between the Hunger Games series and Elliot Rodger is pretty hilarious. You can criticize Bruce Rodger for his failings as a father, which seems to be manifold, but this all somehow happened because he happened to work on a movie? Shut up, Rush. And child on child violence is absolutely nothing new in literature/film. The Outsiders and Lord of the Flies immediately come to mind as books that kids in middle school and high school are regularly assigned to read. Why? Because they're good books. And while The Hunger Games might not be exactly up to the same caliber as the two mentioned above there's nothing controversial in the series that hasn't been touched upon before in another young adults book. Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 00:47 on May 28, 2014 |
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Fuckin' perversion of our youth with themes of revolution and alienation
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I think there's just too many factors that naturally lead to popular movies portraying baddie governments mostly as a mirror of conservative governments, Enough that I think it's silly to really praise/hate them for doing it on purpose when there's no stated intent. I think the real headline here is that Rush Limbaugh, the smug conservative elemental, identifies so much with those fictional oppressive baddie governments that he doesn't even need to see the movie/read the book to start carrying water for them. I guess he's right about never becoming a fuddy duddy, back in my day college conservatives would at least watch Star Wars before making writing their half-ironic defense of the Empire and the effects of uncertainty on galactic markets. Nowadays I guess all they have to hear is "poor people dying" "rich people yukking it up" and it's off to the races. "So caller, when you watched the movie did you get the sense that it was actually the poor people's own fault that they have kids killing kids? Please feel free to elaborate, I need to read more of this wiki page." Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 00:56 on May 28, 2014 |
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ShortStack posted:Don't forget Death Race 2000 and They Live. "They live" loving owns. "The Running Man", forgot about that one. "Total Recall". I never understood the whole "LIEBERAL HOLLYWOOD" argument. One moment Conservatives are bitching about how Liberals are all pussies that want to take away their guns, among a million other things. The next? THEY'RE PROMOTING THEIR VALUES IN HOLLYWOOD! VIOLENCE! SEX! DRUGS! ALL GLORIFIED!.
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SedanChair posted:
I like that he implies that they never made a movie about the dire ramifications of nuclear weapons back in the 40s, 50s, or 60s, you know, the golden age of B movies about the dire ramifications of nuclear weapons.
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