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Motronic posted:First of all, I said low end torque. Second of all LOL at "considerably". Do you seriously not remember post emissions V8s of the 70s and 80s? They're almost all a travesty, Ford or otherwise. I absolutely do remember. I had two late-smog-era 305 Chevrolets. All hundred and sixty-five horsepower in a two and a half ton car. That said, straight sixes were not magically immune from the emissions strangulation. A friend had a late seventies Ford truck with a 300 and a four speed, and the thing was just a dog, as much as the V8s, and I'd say even more so.
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I'd like to thank Motronic for making that argument much more eloquently than I ever could. Buy that truck, drop it about an inch, and put some sweet 5-spoke mags on it. 
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:I'd like to thank Motronic for making that argument much more eloquently than I ever could. I drove it... Brakes were soft, and it made a rather odd grindy noise when I let off the gas and coasted. Engine looked and sounded decent. Steering was a bit loose. I'm still debating this vs the Crown Vic... Although it was nice to drive a stick again.
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May 27, 2014 01:21
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Buy that truck, drop it about an inch, and put some sweet 5- There, fixed.
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Pham Nuwen posted:I drove it... Brakes were soft, and it made a rather odd grindy noise when I let off the gas and coasted. Engine looked and sounded decent. Steering was a bit loose. It needs brake hoses and a full bleed, the gearbox is low/empty (could be an issue if it's been driven like that for a while which would present a driveline lash) and the steering being loose is a simple adjustment in most cases. If you can't do these things you should not be looking at buying a car of that age. (in fact, based on your obsessive posting about trivial issues on YOUR STUDEBAKER I'd suggest not doing so)
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May 27, 2014 02:22
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 shame about the automatic and stereo.  quote:I WAS GOING TO FIX THIS PROJECT UP MYSELF BUT IT TURNS OUT I DONT HAVE THE TIME OR KNOWLEDGE TO DO IT at least he's honest
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May 27, 2014 03:53
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Lord Zuthulu posted:shame about the automatic and stereo. Me and everyone else following the Bricklin thread would tell you these two things will be the least of your worries. Also, $17,500 seems way to much for even one is pristine condition (which this one isn't) Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 04:03 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 27, 2014 03:59
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Dr.Caligari posted:Me and everyone else following the Bricklin thread would tell you these two things will be the least of your worries. Also, $17,500 seems way to much for even one is pristine condition (which this one isn't) Don't worry, it's 17,500 Canadian dollars!
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May 27, 2014 04:12
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Q_res posted:There, fixed. Damnit. That's exactly what I meant too. Good lookin out.
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May 27, 2014 04:44
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Not on my phone anymore so posting this. I am very tempted. 
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May 27, 2014 05:33
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Vim Fuego posted:Not on my phone anymore so posting this. Why are you still sitting there
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May 27, 2014 07:29
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Huh. It's a real car. I worked as a bag room guy at a country club as a teen, and while we were loading up carts before a tournament a guy showed up in a black and red Pantera and slipped me 50 bux to valet it. I was 15 and without license but knew how to drive so I didn't crash it, thankfully. I always just assumed it was a kit car or something.
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May 27, 2014 08:09
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Vim Fuego posted:Not on my phone anymore so posting this. NOW, GO.
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May 27, 2014 10:35
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I know where to find a complete, original, but disassembled '71 Pantera... If only I could talk the owner into selling it...
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Vim Fuego posted:Not on my phone anymore so posting this. If that thing isn't rusted to poo poo, that is a great price. Panteras are up about 50% in the last 10 years. I predict as classic Italians continue to reach stratospheric levels, these psuedo Italians should continue to appreciate as well. Edit: Looking more closely, its a bit of a basket case. Still, at anything below $30K it would be a great deal. Tai-Pan fucked around with this message at 15:47 on May 27, 2014 |
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nullscan posted:I always just assumed it was a kit car or something. Well with 70s Italian build quality it practically is a kit car, amirite?
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The purple e30 I posted last week was apparently parked for years which explains why the body looked nice and the floor like fine jarlsberg. Also, the unibody had a deep crack with severe flaking two inches behind the driver side LCA mount. http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/ottawa/1986-toyota-mr2-coupe/596221850 Hopefully this hasn't sold yet and isn't rusted to poo poo like the last 10 <$1000 dollar vehicles i've looked at. AI could use more MR2 threads.
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Dr.Caligari posted:Me and everyone else following the Bricklin thread would tell you these two things will be the least of your worries. Also, $17,500 seems way to much for even one is pristine condition (which this one isn't) ha, that guy actually lives on my parents street, just a few houses down! i've seen him haul that car back and forth in a trailer then load it into his garage took a few double takes before i realized it was a bricklin when i first saw it
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Tai-Pan posted:If that thing isn't rusted to poo poo, that is a great price. Yeah, basket case is what I thought when I first saw it posted a couple months back. What indicates that to you? To me the biggest indicia were those seats, which are like the cheapest poo poo bucket seats that you see in every redneck project vehicle. That and he's asking like 30k less than any other panteras I could find for sale. And it's a pantera. I dunno, if I were going to buy one I would want like this with the pre-73 bumpers.
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Vim Fuego posted:Yeah, basket case is what I thought when I first saw it posted a couple months back. What indicates that to you? To me the biggest indicia were those seats, which are like the cheapest poo poo bucket seats that you see in every redneck project vehicle. That and he's asking like 30k less than any other panteras I could find for sale. And it's a pantera. Eh, nothing specific exactly. The battery isn't strapped correctly, there appear to be random wires running off the battery, the plastic vent bits in the frunk are missing. The bolts on the steering wheel look rusty, the footwell panels are missing, original seats and wheels are gone, the door panels look warped, that mesh intake thing on the front doesn't look original. Now, that said, the weak points on these cars are EXTREMELY well known and, rust aside, everything I mentioned is easily addressed. The car just gives off a "not maintained" vibe. Given that you can find a "maintained not restored" example for ~$45k I wouldn't spend $38k for one that need thousands in work.
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 Thinking about getting this bad boy soon. It will probably be another terrible life decision but hey, I can't NOT buy cars.
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Tai-Pan posted:Eh, nothing specific exactly. The battery isn't strapped correctly, there appear to be random wires running off the battery, the plastic vent bits in the frunk are missing. The bolts on the steering wheel look rusty, the footwell panels are missing, original seats and wheels are gone, the door panels look warped, that mesh intake thing on the front doesn't look original. I highly doubt it has much rust, as that is not as much of a issue here in the PNW. But you do have to remember that Roy WA is pretty country, so it probably has some suspect fixes that have been done to it over the years.
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Ok, so this is actually a terrible car thing.. poor RX  Isn't cutting large chunks out of the wheel wells severely compromising the structure, even for a car thats 'race use only'?  http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/4482267982.html Now this IS something awesome: 
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Dr.Caligari posted:Ok, so this is actually a terrible car thing.. poor RX I don't know anything about anything but that looks dicey as hell.
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May 28, 2014 02:17
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Pretty sure they are like that stock, but it should usually has a plastic cover over those openings.
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BraveUlysses posted:Pretty sure they are like that stock, but it should usually has a plastic cover over those openings. GIS seems to prove this correct. I figured that area would play a role in being support in the event of a front end collision.
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Yeah, no, that area is definitely solid metal on a stock FB RX-7. Removing that area is fairly popular on a lot of older imports though because it allows you to run much wider tires than stock and have more space for I/C piping and all that. The loss in chassis rigidity is fairly negligible, most of the stress is on the shock-towers and back, and there's still frame rails running forward of the towers to keep the front end nice and tight.
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Good thing that's an FD. (I have no idea what FDs look like there, but I know what chassis it is)
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Son of a bitch  . I have no idea why I thought that was an FB, probably so used to seeing a V8 crammed into first-gens that my brain just ran with that assumption without noticing the little details (like, you know, the title of the ad).You're right, FDs do just have a plastic cover there. Terrible Robot fucked around with this message at 04:33 on May 28, 2014 |
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Dr.Caligari posted:Now this IS something awesome: Good god, the colors!
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Those manuals were rare-ish. It wouldn't surprise me if the Crossfires hold their value for a good long while. Going up in value isn't out of the question, but we are talking decades.
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Tai-Pan posted:Those manuals were rare-ish. It wouldn't surprise me if the Crossfires hold their value for a good long while. Going up in value isn't out of the question, but we are talking decades. No amount of time will fix the Crossfire's "making GBS threads Dog" profile.
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Octopus Magic posted:No amount of time will fix the Crossfire's "making GBS threads Dog" profile. Easy there Jeremy Clarkson we all watch top gear too. I think it will be future classic. Limitedish production? Check. Coupe? Check. Sporty? Check. Yea this is a no brainer.
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Milquetoaste poo poo posted:Easy there Jeremy Clarkson we all watch top gear too. I think it will be future classic. Limitedish production? Check. Coupe? Check. Sporty? Check. Yea this is a no brainer. I'm sure it will have a following, but so did the Pinto, and every other piece of ... Well, Milquetoast poo poo.
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Milquetoaste poo poo posted:Easy there Jeremy Clarkson we all watch top gear too. I think it will be future classic. Limitedish production? Check. Coupe? Check. Sporty? Check. Yea this is a no brainer. The styling is typical awful Chrysler, targeted towards the Thunderbird retro-coupe crowd, it's not a very good performing car for price it came new compared to its competition (G35s coupes, 3 Series), the hatch is useless and too narrow, and they're more or less already forgotten six years later (for the aforementioned reasons). The car was a huge flop that ended up on overstock.com in case you forgot.
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It was way overpriced for what it was as well. Building them in Germany and shipping them here was classic Daimler mismanagement. And they killed the firepower for that turd which makes it hurt note.
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It looks ok from the outside, I think, but that center console is just god-awful and so is the gear stick.
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Milquetoaste poo poo posted:Easy there Jeremy Clarkson we all watch top gear too. I think it will be future classic. Limitedish production? Check. Coupe? Check. Sporty? Check. Yea this is a no brainer. It's a parts bin Mercedes....nobody wants or likes them. It will eventually be collectible in the way a 1990 Oldsmobile Trofeo is collectable: through apathy from the general populace and rarity. It will still be worthless however.
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