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Zorak posted:Temujin starts his life as the son of a low-class hunter in a steppes consumed by tribal warfare, loses his extended family and is made an outlaw, and ultimately sold into slavery. By force of will and a revolutionary view of transforming and ending the Steppe's endless cycle of tribal strife, he defeats and consumes all the various tribes of the Steppes, transforming what was a multiple loose tribal associations of hunters raiding each other into a unified state based on meritocracy with then-strange things like religious freedom, a non-repressive multi-cultural society, a unique martial code, and what amounted to an executive royalty that actually was beholden to law. There's a reason why there's a joke that the Mongolians are the exception to basically everything about ancient civilizations; they never even bothered to adopt large scale agriculture beyond free-range herding. Would the rules work with this? "If Genghis Khan would deal lethal damage to a creature, you may gain control of that creature instead."
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Would the rules work with this? "If Genghis Khan would deal lethal damage to a creature, you may gain control of that creature instead."
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May 27, 2014 20:42
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revengeanceful posted:I believe the templating would be "If a creature dealt damage by Genghis Khan this turn would die, you may gain control of it instead," but yeah, you could do that within the rules of the game. This needs a "and remove all damage from it" clause or it would cause an infinite loop.
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revengeanceful posted:I believe the templating would be "If a creature dealt damage by Genghis Khan this turn would die, you may gain control of it instead," but yeah, you could do that within the rules of the game. Presuming that the wording would be more inclusive "if a creature you don't control...", it wouldn't work. Because it would die again after you got it under your control. "If a creature you don't control dealt damage by Genghis Khan this turn would die, you may exile it then return it into play under your control instead" seems like it would fix some issues. VV: That actually really works better I think. Serperoth fucked around with this message at 20:51 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 27, 2014 20:48
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Would the rules work with this? "If Genghis Khan would deal lethal damage to a creature, you may gain control of that creature instead." Isn't the standard template something like "When a creature dealt damage by ~ this turn dies, return that creature from the graveyard to the battlefield under your control."
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May 27, 2014 20:48
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"If a creature dealt damage by Ghenghis Khan this turn would die, you may regenerate it and take control of it instead."
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May 27, 2014 20:48
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Serperoth posted:Presuming that the wording would be more inclusive "if a creature you don't control...", it wouldn't work. Because it would die again after you got it under your control. Now give it reach, and a tap ability to deal 2, damage to target creature. 
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May 27, 2014 20:49
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If they made a not-Genghis with an ability like that, they could just model it after Charisma, which would both be a much simpler template and a Time Spiral-esque wink at an older card.
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May 27, 2014 20:51
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But come on, we've already got not at all confusing printed text for this:
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May 27, 2014 21:10
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Again, I kind of don't want to see a Genghis Khan card because I don't think it could really live up to the man himself. For good or not, he was an extraordinary person.
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May 27, 2014 21:14
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Elyv posted:Again, I kind of don't want to see a Genghis Khan card because I don't think it could really live up to the man himself. For good or not, he was an extraordinary person.  Yeah, pretty hard to beat that out.
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May 27, 2014 21:16
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I don't think there will be a direct Genghis analog, or at least not one that's explicit and obvious. The new block is bottom-up, so while it might borrow a lot of Mongolian trappings, the main goal is not to emulate Earth cultures in the same way that Innistrad and Theros did.
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homerlaw posted:Isn't the standard template something like "When a creature dealt damage by ~ this turn dies, return that creature from the graveyard to the battlefield under your control." Right, but Genghis didn't reanimate undead armies, he would present his enemies with the ultimatum "join me or fight me."
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May 27, 2014 21:43
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Right, but Genghis didn't reanimate undead armies, he would present his enemies with the ultimatum "join me or fight me." Sounds like a sort of a Desecration Demon effect. "At the beginning of each combat, target opponent may choose a creature they control. If a player does, tap ~ and gain control of that creature."
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May 27, 2014 21:46
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Maybe with an option for the opponent to pay mana/life or tap other creatures to avoid it.
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rabidsquid posted:Decks running Thoughtseize are such a large portion of the field that it happens more than people who run Thoughtseize thinks it does, just by volume. You (the general you I have no idea what you play) might not be casting them that much but people really do not like discard and so they remember it, and when you consider what a huge portion of the field it is, you end up with this. I run B/W Midrange, so I have a full set of them in play. Turn 1 Thoughtseize happens not super irregularly, but not nearly as often as some people like to think it does. I think the effect of seeing a Swamp in the opening play is similar to the sensation old school players get when they see two untapped blue mana sources.
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Congratulations! What kind of matchups did you win and lose with it? Were you running The Mimeoplasm or Underworld Cerberus kill? Any particularly funny stories to share? The Mimeoplasm, with a sideboard 3rd Cabal Therapy. I like it in matchups where I wouldn't mind casting it with excess mana from the hand, and/or if you need 2 guesses at their hate card post library flip, such as against Mindbreak Trap, Flusterstorm, Misdirection, etc. 3 losses: Sneak & Show (didn't see deck game 1 due to Force and Pact loss, got Blightsteel Colossus'd game 2), Deathblade (missed 80% outer game 1, got Surgical Extraction'd game 2), and that  Bant control deck(Savannah and Daze!) that had 11 sideboard cards for the matchup(!!) and killed me with Judge's Familiar(!?!!?!!)A no-show and 6 wins against Merfolk, Shardless Food Chain, Burn, Death&Taxes, MonoR Sneak Attack, and Sneak & Show.
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Angry Grimace posted:I think the effect of seeing a Swamp in the opening play is similar to the sensation old school players get when they see two untapped blue mana sources. Ha ha, so true. I also still ask my Standard opponents to this day who are playing if my spell resolves, even when they have no untapped mana, just from ancient Force of Will-related PTSD.
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Sarcastro posted:Ha ha, so true. I also still ask my Standard opponents to this day who are playing if my spell resolves, even when they have no untapped mana, just from ancient Force of Will-related PTSD. I do this but go "deedly-doot, deedly-doot" while waving my horizontally-held spell six inches above the table because I played too much DotP.
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Bug fixes in the new MTGO update this week.  quote:General
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Chorocojo posted:Bug fixes in the new MTGO update this week. Whenever I see these updates I'm always baffled at how basic some of the rules bugs are, especially when they involve the most recent sets and cards that are much more structured and straightforward rules-wise than the quirky weird bullshit on old cards from before they knew what the hell they were doing. I mean, Godhunter Octopus is such a painfully basic templating that they've done numerous times before, and yet they still hosed it up in the rules engine on the first go? MiddleEastBeast fucked around with this message at 02:32 on May 28, 2014 |
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MiddleEastBeast posted:Whenever I see these updates I'm always baffled at how basic some of the rules bugs are, especially that they involve the most recent sets. I mean, Godhunter Octopus is such a painfully basic templating that they've done numerous times before, and yet they still hosed it up in the rules engine on the first go? While that type of effect is common, the exact kind Godhunter Octopus uses is new, so it's a new effect from a coding perspective. I imagine it's something like that, anyway.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:While that type of effect is common, the exact kind Godhunter Octopus uses is new, so it's a new effect from a coding perspective. I imagine it's something like that, anyway. Okay, bear with me for a second. It's kind of like the code we used for Floodtide Serpent, but instead of checking the controller... Sounds good, move on to the next card.
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Chorocojo posted:Bug fixes in the new MTGO update this week. Wait, they actually fix artwork for tokens? Then why haven't they addressed any of the token mismatch tickets I've sent in for like the past year? Argh!
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Chorocojo posted:Fixed: Bassara Tower Archer has had the word “Removed” removed from its art box. I have got to know why that was there. I shrugged it off as a bug of using the beta client in a release event (it was the first time using MTGO in months). That "removed" graphic has got to be there for some kind of internal testing reason, right?
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Zorak posted:Wait, they actually fix artwork for tokens? Then why haven't they addressed any of the token mismatch tickets I've sent in for like the past year? Argh! I'm pretty sure that one was fixed because it was making enchantment 1/1 soldiers instead of non-enchantment ones. Which can matter with Nyx Infusion and Feast of Dreams in the format. I really wish lingering souls would make its proper tokens instead of Oyobi ones.
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I just downloaded MODO for the first time, should I stick with the old client? I did the beta without realizing it but everyone always complains about it. I'm trying to do one of the new player phantom drafts just to get the hang of the client, and I just won both game 1 and game 2 of the first round, but it says my match is still in progress. Is that normal? It's up to 35 minutes and still says the other guys' game 2 is in progress is well. I'm just worried after reading the bad stories about crashes. edit: nevermind, now it's going. That's dumb.
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Sarcastro posted:Ha ha, so true. I also still ask my Standard opponents to this day who are playing if my spell resolves, even when they have no untapped mana, just from ancient Force of Will-related PTSD. Always be sure to say "storm count #" after every spell you play in standard too.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I just downloaded MODO for the first time, should I stick with the old client? I did the beta without realizing it but everyone always complains about it. I'm trying to do one of the new player phantom drafts just to get the hang of the client, and I just won both game 1 and game 2 of the first round, but it says my match is still in progress. Is that normal? It's up to 35 minutes and still says the other guys' game 2 is in progress is well. I'm just worried after reading the bad stories about crashes. As far as I know it's just slow to update regardless of what you do.
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Mortimer posted:Always be sure to say "storm count #" after every spell you play in standard too. Be sure to get a count of the card types in graveyards, as well as check for threshold.
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Also make sure to keep your graveyard correctly ordered, just in case.
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Thank god they fixed the lag issues, EDH is finally playable again I mean hopefully
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I just downloaded MODO for the first time, should I stick with the old client? I did the beta without realizing it but everyone always complains about it. I'm trying to do one of the new player phantom drafts just to get the hang of the client, and I just won both game 1 and game 2 of the first round, but it says my match is still in progress. Is that normal? It's up to 35 minutes and still says the other guys' game 2 is in progress is well. I'm just worried after reading the bad stories about crashes. I do not find the beta client to be as bad as some people find it. Yes it does take a long time to "load decks" when I log in. That has cost me a draft a couple of times when I have DC'd. Generally the interface is better than the older one and it can only get more stable as they work on it. Edit: mobile phone grammar. DoctorOozy fucked around with this message at 08:36 on May 28, 2014 |
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Kabanaw posted:Also make sure to keep your graveyard correctly ordered, just in case. I do this because I'm a broken person who thinks maintaining proper graveyard order is fun and interesting.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I just downloaded MODO for the first time, should I stick with the old client? I did the beta without realizing it but everyone always complains about it. I'm trying to do one of the new player phantom drafts just to get the hang of the client, and I just won both game 1 and game 2 of the first round, but it says my match is still in progress. Is that normal? It's up to 35 minutes and still says the other guys' game 2 is in progress is well. I'm just worried after reading the bad stories about crashes. Yes that seems to be normal and yes it's dumb.
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cheetah7071 posted:I do this because I'm a broken person who thinks maintaining proper graveyard order is fun and interesting. I do this because I used to play the card "Question" in YuGiOh a decade and a half ago. 
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So a local store that has been around for a long time has revamped its website with Crystal Commerce. He is buying singles like crazy. This is about 9 months after a competitor opened, and most of the more competitive players have migrated to the new store. His buylist prices are crazy high. Crazy. He is paying 10-20 cents per common for most commons. Insane! I have a foil LOTV i'm looking to move, his buylist is $238 cash. Thats like $65 higher than CFB. He's buying at like 80-90% of TCG low. Everyone in our little community is rushing to cash out bulk to him, but I feel bad. He can't possibly make money buying singles at the prices he is. If he keeps accepting these buylists its going to crush him. Like, 35 cents for a Theros satyr token? Seriously? Fine I have 10.
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jassi007 posted:So a local store that has been around for a long time has revamped its website with Crystal Commerce. He is buying singles like crazy. This is about 9 months after a competitor opened, and most of the more competitive players have migrated to the new store. His buylist prices are crazy high. Crazy. He is paying 10-20 cents per common for most commons. Insane! I have a foil LOTV i'm looking to move, his buylist is $238 cash. Thats like $65 higher than CFB. He's buying at like 80-90% of TCG low. Everyone in our little community is rushing to cash out bulk to him, but I feel bad. He can't possibly make money buying singles at the prices he is. If he keeps accepting these buylists its going to crush him. Use your fat stacks from cashing out to throw him a nice Going Out of Business party in 3 months.
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Toshimo posted:Use your fat stacks from cashing out to throw him a nice Going Out of Business party in 3 months. Yeah I guess. I don't care all that much and I don't see any reason not to cash out of poo poo. We've all speculated for a long time he is an awful business person, I guess this confirms it. It is just funny, he didn't turn the heat on all winter because he couldn't afford it, but now he's buying out everything under the sun for prices way better than any buylist i've ever seen.
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