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The evidence is that the child looks like Guts/Casca and has some sort of connection with Guts that allows him to calm down from his berserked state (specifically, appearing as a beacon of light), and that Zodd was somehow involved with one of his appearances. How many years has it been since the first eclipse? Maybe the reason he doesn't look like Griffith is that this form (or spirit) is what it thinks it "should" have looked like given that passage of time and a normal childhood. It's easy to forget that he hasn't really appeared that many times, it just feels like he's been a longtime fixture because of the slow release schedule. So there's not much actual material to go on.
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Moonchild is so Guts' and Caska's kid its funny how blatant the "He's the Elf King" red herring is. I mean, this was in his introduction chapter Followed by the rest of the gang going "Oh they look almost like a family!". He's their son, and he's just pretty and magic instead of being deformed and magic.
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May 28, 2014 05:18
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Nate RFB posted:The evidence is that the child looks like Guts/Casca and has some sort of connection with Guts that allows him to calm down from his berserked state (specifically, appearing as a beacon of light), and that Zodd was somehow involved with one of his appearances. Shierke calmed Guts down too, that doesn't require some special connection, just powerful magic. I found the pages speculating he's the elf king, they were a lot more recent than I thought. From chapter 331, which is only 4 chapters or two whole years ago:   Also, when it helps Guts escape from the sea god's corpse, it appears in a very fairy-like form, whereas the demon child was always shown as... well, a weird demon thing.  Not saying it's conclusive, but it's not a slam dunk in either direction, and I think it's more likely that it's the elf king.
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May 28, 2014 05:26
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Yep, its the elf king. Glad you cleared that up.
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May 28, 2014 05:31
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I kinda doubt it's the elf king if only because said elf king has no idea they're coming and no reason to care. And if he does have an idea they're coming and does have reason to care, then he would either a) reveal himself or b) keep hidden.
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May 28, 2014 05:37
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As far as we know, Caska's ugly baby going along for the ride with the behelit apostle wasn't part of any plan. The apostle was the means by which Griffith was reborn. He literally found the baby as it was dying and took it with him on a whim. For the baby to be part of the plan, that would mean Caska surviving the eclipse was also planned. I kind of doubt that Griffith planned for the skull knight to pop in and rescue people when he had been Femto for all of an hour. So, the baby was essentially a stowaway that got incorporated into Griffith's new corporeal form. I also doubt that Griffith transforms into the child once a month, as he really isn't the kind of person to ignore such a matter. He would notice lost time if he wasn't otherwise aware of it, and if he was aware but not in control he would burn everything to the ground including his new body if it meant regaining control. In short, I think the moonchild is normally dormant and part of Griffith, but he is able to physically manifest on full moons. His behavior is completely consistent with the ugly baby. He wants to be near his parents, and he tries to protect them. Edit: You know what that thing it is standing on looks like? A huge tree branch. Gee, I wonder who lives next to a giant magic tree. gimme the GOD DAMN candy fucked around with this message at 05:42 on May 28, 2014 |
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May 28, 2014 05:39
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Serious Frolicking posted:Edit: You know what that thing it is standing on looks like? A huge tree branch. Gee, I wonder who lives next to a giant magic tree. Came to post this, since someone mentioned the kid riding the wind on the last page. The ghostly branches of the ol' Ganishka world-tree can be used for transportation... somehow, it seems. As far as we know the branches cover the entire planet, so I'm guessing the elf king would be able to use them as well.
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May 28, 2014 08:57
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Griffith has a serious 1990s Micheal Jackson thing going on at the moment.
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May 28, 2014 09:54
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Begemot posted:Also, when it helps Guts escape from the sea god's corpse, it appears in a very fairy-like form, whereas the demon child was always shown as... well, a weird demon thing. I guess we'll know for sure...when they get to Elf Island 
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May 28, 2014 11:47
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Begemot posted:
How does this not make you think of Griffith immediately?
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May 28, 2014 14:23
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Yeah, that hair is pure Griffith. Elf King envoy is definitely a red herring.
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May 28, 2014 17:41
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Most likely he's just the soul of the Griffith/Guts/Caska child. Griffith took over the body. He's what got taken out of it. Since Griffith is his spirit dad or whatever it makes sense for his body of light to look like Griffith.
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May 28, 2014 18:52
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Clearly the child is connected to Femto by Griffiths resurrection. The God Hand members might exist outside of time (of the physical world), that would explain how they are able to predict and manipulate causality. It's during events where their realm is connected to the physical realm (like during an eclipse, or when Griffith transforms back into Femto) that the unexpected (to them) can happen, probably because they have a momentary blind spot during that time. This could also explain how the child might have existed as the elf king in the astral realm even before he was born as a physical being, due to its connection to Griffith/Femto. I wouldn't be surprised if Femto was also present during the birth of the other God Hand members, despite those eclipses happening before the birth of Griffith.
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May 28, 2014 21:47
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This kind of speculation is the only thing that keeps me locked in during downtime. If Miura could read this he'd probably laugh his rear end off at us chasing our tails.
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The main tell is that when the moonlight child first appeared Miura inserted a page into volume 38 that wasn't in the serialized chapters that shows Zodd's silhouette on top of a cliff and Gut's brand reacting. The implication that before the Griffith kid could travel anywhere he wanted through the power of the world tree, Zodd was ferrying him to Caska at the full moon. Perhaps on the full moon what remains of Guts and Caska's child is fully expressed, and Griffith has to abide by its wishes for that duration. That might be his only weakness. 
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May 29, 2014 02:11
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Ccs posted:The main tell is that when the moonlight child first appeared Miura inserted a page into volume 38 that wasn't in the serialized chapters that shows Zodd's silhouette on top of a cliff and Gut's brand reacting. The implication that before the Griffith kid could travel anywhere he wanted through the power of the world tree, Zodd was ferrying him to Caska at the full moon. Perhaps on the full moon what remains of Guts and Caska's child is fully expressed, and Griffith has to abide by its wishes for that duration. That might be his only weakness. I honestly can't see Zodd there, unless that's meant to be his horn in the dead centre of the panel. Could someone give me a red circle?
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May 29, 2014 02:21
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Azzents posted:I honestly can't see Zodd there, unless that's meant to be his horn in the dead centre of the panel. Could someone give me a red circle? That's his horn, all right. You can see his shoulder and a wing to the left of it, it's smoother than the grassy cliff edge. Having the only way to actually hurt/kill/stop Griffith be murdering the moonlight child is a pretty Berserk plot twist.
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May 29, 2014 02:35
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Man I really need to reread this comic. I can barely remember anything you guys are talking about.
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May 29, 2014 03:04
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Yeah I totally would like someone to circle Zodd in that panel. I've been trying my best to see it for like 3 minutes now and have yet to see anything that even slightly resembles him.
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May 29, 2014 04:31
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May 29, 2014 04:55
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Looks like a snake with a forked tongue hissing out.
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May 29, 2014 05:45
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I really want to say there was a more blatant page, like his full silhouette against the moon or something, but I must be thinking of a different part that had nothing to do with the moonchild.
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May 29, 2014 12:10
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Nate RFB posted:I really want to say there was a more blatant page, like his full silhouette against the moon or something, but I must be thinking of a different part that had nothing to do with the moonchild. I think the panel you're thinking of is when Griffith saves the princess and he's riding on Zodds back silhouetted against the moon.
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May 29, 2014 12:54
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The impression that I got was that the child split into two, one reincarnating into Griffith, and the other as the child as it should have grown. I don't know where this "both being the same" thing comes from.
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May 29, 2014 13:24
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Nate RFB posted:I guess we'll know for sure...when they get to Elf Island 
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May 29, 2014 16:52
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Soulcleaver posted:Looks like a snake with a forked tongue hissing out. I'm gonna guess you've only read descriptions of snakes and have never actually seen one.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:image That doesn't even slighly resemble Zodd and you guys are all crazy.
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Whether that specific bump is Zodd or not that scene is pretty obviously implying that there was a demon or Apostle nearby, but it backed off rather than fight. edit: Actually you know what the guy above me is blind, that looks exactly like Zodd's horn and wing(s). He's in profile, facing to the right, likely mid-turning away from the reader's/Guts's perspective. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 01:39 on May 30, 2014 |
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May 30, 2014 01:33
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While I guess I can see how that looks like Zodd, it's seems bizarre to make it so vague. I can't think of any good reason not to make it clearer that it's Zodd (if it is).
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May 30, 2014 01:46
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Well, it's kind of cool noticing it for first time. I've read Berserk twice and I didn't catch it until now.
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May 30, 2014 01:47
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Ytlaya posted:While I guess I can see how that looks like Zodd, it's seems bizarre to make it so vague. I can't think of any good reason not to make it clearer that it's Zodd (if it is). Because that would give away that the moonlight child is Griffith, and Miura wants that to be a mystery, which is why there's now the "it could be the elf king's envoy" red herring. Instead it's just a hint that some people will pick up on.
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May 30, 2014 17:20
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griffith is probably a were-child
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Ccs posted:Because that would give away that the moonlight child is Griffith, and Miura wants that to be a mystery, which is why there's now the "it could be the elf king's envoy" red herring. This really doesn't fit with Miura's narrative style though. This isn't Shingeki no Kyojin or something, when Miura hints at something he usually makes it obvious, like with how he introduced the Behelit Apostle.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:This really doesn't fit with Miura's narrative style though. This isn't Shingeki no Kyojin or something, when Miura hints at something he usually makes it obvious, like with how he introduced the Behelit Apostle. That's a pretty good point, too. I just want Guts and Casca's sorta-kid to be happy. 
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The last time I read through the entire series was probably 2008, so I give it a full read through. drat, I'm always surprised by how many little conversations and details I've completely forgotten about. Nothing critical really, but it's nice to know the small stuff cause Miura will bring it up again 5 or 10 years later just to trip everyone out.
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Ccs posted:The main tell is that when the moonlight child first appeared Miura inserted a page into volume 38 that wasn't in the serialized chapters that shows Zodd's silhouette on top of a cliff and Gut's brand reacting. The implication that before the Griffith kid could travel anywhere he wanted through the power of the world tree, Zodd was ferrying him to Caska at the full moon. Perhaps on the full moon what remains of Guts and Caska's child is fully expressed, and Griffith has to abide by its wishes for that duration. That might be his only weakness. It was Griffith's soldiers attacking the Witch's house that gave up the idea he is invincible. Why would he send his generals and most powerful soldiers to kill a dying witch instead of with him on the battlefield against Ganishka? He knew Ganishka was small time. Griffith has a weakness that a magician can exploit.
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Griffith's weakness is faith, like the gods of DnD. He wants to be the sole messiah so he has to kill the other god kings and queens to establish his rule. Because he doesn't just want to rule Midland, he wants to rule the world. Ganishka was eastern religions, the witch was "pagan" beliefs, the Elf king is possibly Nordic faiths. These faiths are based on the concepts known to a medieval kingdom.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:It was Griffith's soldiers attacking the Witch's house that gave up the idea he is invincible. Why would he send his generals and most powerful soldiers to kill a dying witch instead of with him on the battlefield against Ganishka? He knew Ganishka was small time. Griffith has a weakness that a magician can exploit. Well, Ganishka was small time because he was an Apostle and Griffith literally controls his fate. Flora's power, on the other hand, does not come from the Godhand. That's why Griffith considers her much more dangerous than an "entire army".
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