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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


anime snype~

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Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Looking for some input dudes

So I did starting strength and a bit of my own thing for about 8 months. I wasn't as consistent as I would have liked to be but I still made good size/strength gains. Was taking the usual protein, multi, caffeine pills as a pre workout, fish oil as well as creatine mono and beta-alanine. Have since stopped those 2. Been lazy the past 2 weeks and haven't hit the gym. Started going back and doing my own thing just to try to maintain a bit and my lifts have definitely gone down and I got pretty bad DOMS in my legs. A bit ridiculous because I was squatting/deadlifting one day and then running the next. Guess alcohol doesn't help.

I'm pretty satisfied with my body now but could probably afford to cut a couble lbs around the edges. Would like to get stronger, though. I lost a surprising amount of weight while getting strong/bigger on starting strength this time around. Unfortunately I won't be able to be as consistent as I'd like for the next 6 months +. Looking at just doing my own thing, 5/3/1, or WS4SB. Could do starting strength again? Fortunately i'll be able to eat a lot better. Should I start beta alanine and creatine again?

Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 04:08 on May 13, 2014

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

I lifted today for the first time in months, and squats ruined my legs.

gently caress stairs.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
I'm of the opinion that supplements don't do much outside of proven stuff like creatine and a post workout to ensure a pre-gym dump. With creatine everyone's got an opinion on when to take it and how much. I do about 3g every gym day with my pre-workout. It seems fine for me and the poo poo is cheap so 12 bucks for a years supply isn't a wallet breaker. Honestly, there's so many ways to blow cash on weight lifting when all that really works is eating right, being consistent, and working hard.

You'll get much more mileage from eating well, sleeping, and making the gym 3x a week than anything else and can probably skip buying supplements.

As for a program, stick to doing sets of 3-5 reps, accessory work (bent over rows, pull ups, farmer carries, triceps poo poo, chin ups, etc). I've been doing that kind of routine since June and have made great progress. You just gotta be smart about it: know when to take an easy day or a week off, pick your weights carefully, and know what you're doing. I think 5/3/1 is a great program. I just don't believe it's the best for someone who's been lifting for less than a few years. gently caress I started it after a year of lifting thinking I was really ready for it and I probably burned a lot of time making glacial progress instead of just sticking to a 5x5 or a program geared towards a new lifter. Anyway, I surely don't think 5/3/1 is good for you in this instance of having a long period of time of not being consistent. You'd be better served doing something other than 5/3/1

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

holocaust bloopers posted:

You'll get much more mileage from eating well, sleeping, and making the gym 3x a week than anything else and can probably skip buying supplements.

Just eat a pizza after lifting and you'll get swole. Its the one crazy tip that trainers hate.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

Just eat a pizza after lifting and you'll get swole. Its the one crazy tip that trainers hate.

A huge rear end burrito is my pick and something I unironically get after the gym every now and then.

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

holocaust bloopers posted:

A huge rear end burrito is my pick and something I unironically get after the gym every now and then.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd8tZiHexPc

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

Being obese is cool because you get cheap seats at the World Cup.

Maxed out incline just for funsies and hit 235x1 after 175x10x4. Pretty decent.

whatspeakyou
Mar 3, 2010

no fucks given.
Did my first mud run today. Emerald Coast 10K run. I could get used to doing these things; they're a blast.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.


Yeah I just wanted to get big fast and it seemed those were the best and least terrible for you. But I mean is creatine a long-term supplement? Are athletes taking it for years? I can't say whether or not beta-alanine helped much but I'm getting bad DOMS now and obviously not as strong as I was.

I take the recommended dose of the ON Creatine mono. Something like $18 for a year supply. Drink tons of water and mix it with preworkout as well. There's just so many supplements it's overwheming. Considering a intraworkout?


Yeah, I've just been doing random workouts. Mostly an A and B workout doing chest/tris and biceps/back with legs thrown in. Sticking to mostly compound lifts: squats, romanian deadlifts, weighted dips and pull ups, military press, bench, pendlay row, etc. And finishing with accessory work. Shooting for 3 sets of 5-8 mostly.


I loving love weighted pull-ups. They're tough, though.


Content, stolen from the YLS pic thread


http://i.imgur.com/FEjUi4k.jpg









Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 00:20 on May 18, 2014

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

whatspeakyou posted:

Did my first mud run today. Emerald Coast 10K run. I could get used to doing these things; they're a blast.

Running is gay. Checking out other dudes at the gym and mentally comparing yourself to them is hetero.

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

Running is gay. Checking out other dudes at the gym and mentally comparing yourself to them is hetero.

between this and your username I'm willing to bet that you would thrive in the competitive gay pornography field.

Starting a Smolov regimen on monday. I did the first workout on friday (it was hell on earth), and didn't realize my gym that I just joined closes early on Saturday, and isn't open at all on Sunday. The first week of the Smolov is three days of squatting in a row, so I'm going to start over next week. For reference here it is -

3 x 8 - 230
5 x - 245
2 x 2 - 265
1 x - 280

Good god. I was late, so I busted that out in 25 minutes, showered, worked an eight hour shift, went home, and slept like a baby for ten hours.

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

Full Battle Rattle posted:

between this and your username I'm willing to bet that you would thrive in the competitive gay pornography field.

I don't stare at totally ripped buff dudes in anything but the most hetero way.


You're going to get a dudebro av for posting hot chicks in the fitness/clothing sperg forum.

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this

MassivelyBuckNegro posted:

I don't stare at totally ripped buff dudes in anything but the most hetero way.


You're going to get a dudebro av for posting hot chicks in the fitness/clothing sperg forum.

But it's the truth? No matter where he posts dude bro has the truest av

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

Fart Sandwiches posted:

But it's the truth? No matter where he posts dude bro has the truest av

His posts in the picture thread are the only ones I look at anyways because I'm doing the same thing.

genderstomper58
Jan 10, 2005

by XyloJW
is dudebro the term for a Cis Male who likes how gals look

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

genderstomper58 posted:

is dudebro the term for a Cis Male who likes how gals look

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3519503&userid=159441

psydude
Apr 1, 2008


I enjoy that guy's posting.

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



So I'll cross post here, I'm cutting weight so that I can enlist in a couple of months. So far I'm down ~14 lbs from the beginning of February mainly just doing cardio. However, I need to speed that up. I log what I eat for the most part. As for the workout what do you guys recommend? Run all day every day? What about weight lifting? Is it worth doing weights? I was thinking of just doing a kettlebell workout, however someone in the Navy thread said to just do pushups and sit ups. What do you guys recommend? I'm looking to cut another 15lbs to sign ASAP.

Click Beelay
Oct 13, 2011

Zotix posted:

So I'll cross post here, I'm cutting weight so that I can enlist in a couple of months. So far I'm down ~14 lbs from the beginning of February mainly just doing cardio. However, I need to speed that up. I log what I eat for the most part. As for the workout what do you guys recommend? Run all day every day? What about weight lifting? Is it worth doing weights? I was thinking of just doing a kettlebell workout, however someone in the Navy thread said to just do pushups and sit ups. What do you guys recommend? I'm looking to cut another 15lbs to sign ASAP.

Can't go wrong with starting strength 3x a week with accessory work and body weight stuff before/after, and running 5km twice a week. That and eating right (snacking on eggs and chicken salad meals are your friend). Warm up and cool down on weight days with a 10 minute jog. Rest when you need it even if it fucks up your routine and only drink spirits. If you don't lift regularly ease into it or you'll be hosed up for days. This is what I did a few years back to get into gym stuff and IIRC was dropping 1.5-2kg a week, someone else who actually knows their poo poo will probably have better advice.

e; something something interval running and super sets

Click Beelay fucked around with this message at 03:12 on May 20, 2014

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



The problem is, I'm not able to run that long of a distance at the moment. I'm working my way up, but at most I can probably do 7 minutes or so before I need to stop. Additionally, I don't think I can do starting strength, because I don't have access to barbells, just dumbbell weights.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Zotix posted:

The problem is, I'm not able to run that long of a distance at the moment. I'm working my way up, but at most I can probably do 7 minutes or so before I need to stop. Additionally, I don't think I can do starting strength, because I don't have access to barbells, just dumbbell weights.

keep loving running holy poo poo. not being able to run more than 7 minutes is sad. run every day maybe 2 times a day, morning and evening. you will lose weight and get better at running. magic

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Also, don't be a pussy. Just because you're out of breath doesn't mean you need to stop, especially after 7 goddamn minutes.

Unless you have a heart condition or whatever, but then you wouldn't be going into the military with that I'd hope.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009
yep you could probably keep running and get your 2nd wind but seems youre bitching out as soon as it gets hard

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Running, pushups, and situps. Keep doing those. Get better at doing those.

Look up the grading scale for PT tests, and aim for a passing score.

If you don't have to worry about PT score during basic, then you're way ahead of the game.

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners
What is a good exercise for improving forearm stamina? My arms get way tired after about 3 minutes of vigorous slizz fingering.

Click Beelay
Oct 13, 2011

Reverse barbell curls? Or just use your tongue and shove a finger in and out during.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Plate pinches are good.





As gimmicky as it looks I've hear/read a lot of good things about the fat gripz

http://www.amazon.com/Fat-Gripz-The-Ultimate-Builder/dp/B005FIS14Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400648042&sr=8-1&keywords=fat+gripz


Heard they destroy your forearms

vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

Christoff posted:

Plate pinches are good.





As gimmicky as it looks I've hear/read a lot of good things about the fat gripz

http://www.amazon.com/Fat-Gripz-The-Ultimate-Builder/dp/B005FIS14Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400648042&sr=8-1&keywords=fat+gripz


Heard they destroy your forearms

http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Woody-Fitness-Vise-Gripper/dp/B00BNZWX38/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400648739&sr=8-1&keywords=iron+woody+gripper

I was thinking about getting one of these to kill time at work but they look comically large.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Barbell forearm extensions work really well.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

I have a heavy metal powerball that kills the forearms as well. I don't use it often but it's not bad for long drives or just sitting around watching TV

McSpatula
Aug 5, 2006
Fat grips are great, but you can substitute them by wrapping a towel around your barbell/dumbbell, if you don't want to drop coin.

Forearm rollers to failure, if you have access to them.

Crush hand grippers are good on the go, you can grab a 50-150lb or 200-300lb set for $20 from gnc (or $$$ from captains of crush), and work on forearms whenever.

If you want something a bit more traditional, regular/reverse wrist curls and farmers walks will destroy you with proper weight/form, moreso the latter.

Crazy Mike
Sep 16, 2005

Now with 25% more kimchee.
It's been a week with no update from all y'all Army Strong Swolediers?

I got my bench press up to 5x5@265 this morning. Unfortunately I can't deadlift 305 twice.

Pretty soon the hammer is going to drop on all the APFT failures around here and they are going to get processed for separation. It doesn't help that we're getting T-25 advice like you can get in shape with 20 minutes of Tabata training or you don't need to go to the gym two hours a day to pass your APFT. Looking at the failures in my unit they need think about going to the gym more, not less. Too bad the days of E2s getting their 20 year letter are over cuz it's going to suck for them by years end.

I got a 267 last APFT. Some units like to have a company standard of 270, this one has such soft bigotry of low expectations that our company standard is 250. We need to put Jack3d in the MREs or something here.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

Just found out this site and thought I'd share.

http://us.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/impact-whey-protein/10852500.html

Guess it's a British site that just opened a US store. poo poo is cheap as gently caress. $6 flat shipping on 11 lb bag of whey. Assume that's for a whole order. They also have a 15% discount right now on whey. And according to the supplement threads when they tested some whey proteins to verify protein content they came out on top. Cheap creatine mono, BCAA, etc.


If you want to read reviews for their poo poo you can just go to their non-US site

http://www.myprotein.com/home.dept

NIGGER DEATH TURBO
Jul 4, 2013

by Lowtax

Crazy Mike posted:

It's been a week with no update from all y'all Army Strong Swolediers?

I got my bench press up to 5x5@265 this morning. Unfortunately I can't deadlift 305 twice.

Pretty soon the hammer is going to drop on all the APFT failures around here and they are going to get processed for separation. It doesn't help that we're getting T-25 advice like you can get in shape with 20 minutes of Tabata training or you don't need to go to the gym two hours a day to pass your APFT. Looking at the failures in my unit they need think about going to the gym more, not less. Too bad the days of E2s getting their 20 year letter are over cuz it's going to suck for them by years end.

I got a 267 last APFT. Some units like to have a company standard of 270, this one has such soft bigotry of low expectations that our company standard is 250. We need to put Jack3d in the MREs or something here.

you once referred to an APFT as your own personal Normandy because you were so worried you wouldn't get 180, don't act all hard rear end swolebro now

Crazy Mike
Sep 16, 2005

Now with 25% more kimchee.

friend of the family DEATH TURBO posted:

you once referred to an APFT as your own personal Normandy because you were so worried you wouldn't get 180, don't act all hard rear end swolebro now

The APFT is hard. If it was easy we wouldn't have any failures. I'm here to have fun and be the armyest guy in the unit, but I hate seeing people screwed over because they have less physical abilities than the more athletic among us, and I hate people who are naturally athletic thinking since its easy for them it is easy for everyone.

Vasudus
May 30, 2003

Crazy Mike posted:

The APFT is hard. If it was easy we wouldn't have any failures. I'm here to have fun and be the armyest guy in the unit, but I hate seeing people screwed over because they have less physical abilities than the more athletic among us, and I hate people who are naturally athletic thinking since its easy for them it is easy for everyone.

Hoooooooly gently caress.

The APFT is easy as gently caress. If you fail it, you're a worthless sack of poo poo that doesn't belong in the Army.

I was about as non-athletic as it gets. I almost failed the 1.5 mile run before BCT. I then focused myself, gained nearly 60 pounds (112 -> 174) and then scored 270+ for the remainder of my time.

If you're fat, stop eating garbage, eat good things and work out more.

If you're skinny, stop eating garbage, eat more good things and work out more.

If you're broken, get it documented, get a profile, and then deal with it.

If you're just a lazy sack of poo poo that can't focus on something as simple as 'run fast, lift your own weight, do situps' then I don't know what to tell you.

You were a loving surge baby, weren't you? I hate you.

Vasudus fucked around with this message at 00:39 on May 31, 2014

NIGGER DEATH TURBO
Jul 4, 2013

by Lowtax

Crazy Mike posted:

The APFT is hard. If it was easy we wouldn't have any failures. I'm here to have fun and be the armyest guy in the unit, but I hate seeing people screwed over because they have less physical abilities than the more athletic among us, and I hate people who are naturally athletic thinking since its easy for them it is easy for everyone.

180 on the APFT is pathetically easy if you do anything more than sit on the couch eating doritos all day. If it's too hard for someone maybe they shouldn't be in a job that like the loving military that kinda requires some level of physical fitness. If you're in combat arms especially a 270 requirement is not at all screwing someone over, not being able to carry a wounded dude more than 5 feet cause you're too loving weak or have the cardio ability of the average goon is screwing over everyone else. Oh it's harder for you? loving put in the work then or get a different job more compatible with your laziness.

NIGGER DEATH TURBO fucked around with this message at 00:53 on May 31, 2014

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Crazy Mike
Sep 16, 2005

Now with 25% more kimchee.

Vasudus posted:

Hoooooooly gently caress.

The APFT is easy as gently caress. If you fail it, you're a worthless sack of poo poo that doesn't belong in the Army.

I was about as non-athletic as it gets. I almost failed the 1.5 mile run before BCT. I then focused myself, gained nearly 60 pounds (112 -> 174) and then scored 270+ for the remainder of my time.

If you're fat, stop eating garbage, eat good things and work out more.

If you're skinny, stop eating garbage, eat more good things and work out more.

If you're broken, get it documented, get a profile, and then deal with it.

If you're just a lazy sack of poo poo that can't focus on something as simple as 'run fast, lift your own weight, do situps' then I don't know what to tell you.

You were a loving surge baby, weren't you? I hate you.

I feel every soldier that is involuntarily administratively separated is a failure of leadership as well as a failure of the soldier, and your simplistic dismissive attitude is part of the problem instead of the solution. If you are sufficiently motivated, you can get in army strong shape. The challenge I'm having is figuring out how to motivate someone so far below the bell curve so that they can achieve the standard.

I am trying to be the example going from APFT failure to super Swoledier, but I am not seeing much improvement or intensity from the deficient soldiers who need it the most.

And while budgetary concerns may make admin separations attractive, it's not fun for the soldiers in question, or me having to witness it. You may be right that APFT failures do not belong in the army, but I would rather raise them up than admin sep them.

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