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adamantium|wang posted:I guess its indicative of how useful they were last time around that I am surprised that Flashgitz are base 3A. Looks like they finally got a halfway decent gun now. Haven't they always been base 3A? They're nobs.
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They're on 40mm bases despite not being bulky. Why.
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May 31, 2014 04:00
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Ignite Memories posted:Haven't they always been base 3A? They're nobs. Yeah, I've just literally never played against them nor looked up their stat line despite knowing and playing against two Ork players.
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May 31, 2014 04:02
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Slimnoid posted:So on the plus side, they went down in points, dedicated transport option, more shots on their guns, no gets hot, possibility for BS3 if they don't move, and can reroll a single charge dice. I think the gets hot rule is only if you took the APD6-1 shots. No kaptain character. I wonder if he is moved to the HQ slot. 'Er we go is watered down fleet... if people bitch about tyranids not making it into combat because of random rolls and lovely armor it's going to be the exact same thing with the orks. Better than nothing! VVV They aren't bad, but it's the same thing as previous flashgits. Let's take an awesome CC unit (nobs) and give them decent guns (APD6 ignores marine armor half the time) that are mostly a trap. Losing the Armor4+ and access to a dok is actually worse, since you will probably lose a firefight against most squads if you aren't ignoring their armor (or they are in cover). LordAba fucked around with this message at 04:09 on May 31, 2014 |
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May 31, 2014 04:03
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IMO in the last codex they are pretty bad. I think these rules move them up to not terrible?
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May 31, 2014 04:03
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I made a squad of flash gitz, because i was having fun converting them and my normal nob squad was getting confusing and time-consuming to track. Even I never really used them much. :[
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May 31, 2014 04:05
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Ignite Memories posted:I made a squad of flash gitz, because i was having fun converting them and my normal nob squad was getting confusing and time-consuming to track. Even I never really used them much. :[ Did you make them off of nobz of boyz? I'd love to see the conversion.
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May 31, 2014 04:07
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I used the black orcs armor and various cobbled-together weapons. Lemme see if I have any pictures of them around here. edit: I do not. I"ll try and take a couple, but the lighting in here is terrible and my phone camera is super retarded. Ignite Memories fucked around with this message at 04:45 on May 31, 2014 |
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May 31, 2014 04:32
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Slimnoid posted:So on the plus side, they went down in points, dedicated transport option, more shots on their guns, no gets hot, possibility for BS3 if they don't move, and can reroll a single charge dice. I wouldn't be surprised if Painboys became like Commissars and Sanguinary Priests. 3 per Elite / whatever slot, doesn't use up force org. Looks like with the new rules, they could plant on a spot and hold it pretty well. It'd be a pain to go toe to toe infantry shooting and chew through that many wounds in cover while those guns are raining down on you. Looks like the unit could have its uses.
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May 31, 2014 04:44
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Sorry about the bad photos, conditions are not superb for them in here. This was a very experimental squad, as it was relatively early in my converting career. I had done a squad-wide stormboyz conversion before but most of the rocket packs followed a pretty similar design. With the flashgitz i just wanted to go wild and play with my bitz a little. There was a painboy too, but he was just the standard pewter painboy with the buzzsaw and the syringe. Figures they have heavy armor and that's not a thing for flash gits anymore. What is standard cover save nowadays, 4 or 5+?       I have a badrukk too, but he's on my desk at work right now. If I find a picture of him i'll upload it, he's fully converted from the AOBR warboss. Ignite Memories fucked around with this message at 05:11 on May 31, 2014 |
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May 31, 2014 05:09
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Slimnoid posted:They're on 40mm bases despite not being bulky. Their guns are goddamn huge and it's cinematic.
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May 31, 2014 07:48
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Are normal Nobz on 40mm bases? Here's a question. With this new detachment fuckery where you can include infinite force orgs in your army, and the mention of special force orgs in codexes, what are the odds on the following? Special force orgs for themed lists in codexes? ie Speed Freaks, Dread mob, Council of Ancients, Young Kings Court, etc. Will the characters changing force orgs be dropped in favour of specialist force orgs? ie Warboss doesn't make one unit of Nobz troops, but there is a special force org with Nobz as troops? Has anyone got sight of the Ork codex yet? I'm thinking of getting a Stompa as a centrepiece model, and logic would say they'd include it in the codex as it's a big plastic kit they sell in store and putting it in the codex so people don't have to bug another £30 book to use it would help drive sales, but what the gently caress do I know so I'm asking if anyone's got the skinny on how the new codexes work.
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May 31, 2014 09:18
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Flashgitz were a poo poo shooting unit and a poo poo assaulting unit. At least those Flashgitz are now better at shooting (for Orks). They also look great. Which is all that matters for Orks.
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May 31, 2014 09:28
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Thundercloud posted:Are normal Nobz on 40mm bases? Probably about the same odds as all the special allies-only detachments and faction-specific fortifications we saw from 6th. Basically: "It'll happen, but it'll be a weird rules-agnostic imperium supplement."
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May 31, 2014 09:33
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Thundercloud posted:Are normal Nobz on 40mm bases? Meganobz are on 40mm but regular nobz are 25mm (though the ones from the nobz kit barely fit on those bases) I think they might allow characters to give objective secured to units (without changing their slot) but I don't know about codex specific force org charts. We'll see. There's heavy indication that the stompa will get rolled into the book.
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May 31, 2014 09:59
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Direwolf posted:The short answer is yes, constantly. The one buff is that we can jink on the first turn now if we don't go first, which is a godsend, but Ravenwing is not an assault army at all and isn't good at assault except for one unit (Black Knights) which are also fantastic shooters - so the one unit that I wouldn't mind charging headlong into the enemy is the one unit I'd like to be able to shoot with, as well. The thing that makes Ravenwing viable is our dakka banner, and the jink change mathematically reduces the hits a 6 man squad gets with mass bolters from 21 to 7. I don't think we were the targets of the change but it's a really strong nerf to what we're best at. It's almost like they gave those units Hit and Run just for that purpose. And, oh, look, the Ravenwing banner gives you a pass on hit and run without having to roll for it.
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May 31, 2014 10:32
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Hit and Run is a very cool, cinematic ability. Goddamn if it isn't one of the most frustrating to play against, though. Especially in an army of White Scars.
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May 31, 2014 11:52
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WAR FOOT posted:Hit and Run is a very cool, cinematic ability. Goddamn if it isn't one of the most frustrating to play against, though. Especially in an army of White Scars. Every unit should have hit and run on an initiative test. It happens at the end of assault and if you want to do it that round, you cannot make any attacks.
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May 31, 2014 12:07
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That idea is literally the worst. If the stubborn 10 man guard squad with a Commisar has a 2/3 chance to bow out of combat so I can cop more shooting in their turn, all they lose is a few piddly guardsman attacks. Why wouldn't most units not just try and bail?
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May 31, 2014 12:15
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JerryLee posted:New starter seems really unlikely from everything I know; the assumption was that they were going to put a 7E mini book in the DV box and leave all the minis, etc. the same but for now they seem to have gone with just posting a disclaimer that you'll need to spend $85 if you want to play the game with up-to-date rules Only GW... Well guess I'll be borrowing a book for the foreseeable future.
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May 31, 2014 12:20
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 New Big Gunz. New Shokk Attack? New Mad Doc?
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Lungboy posted:
I am so pumped for this release. Those big guns look great and I love that the new meganobz don't seem to be too much of a departure from the old ones so they'll blend nicely in an army of mixed models.
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May 31, 2014 13:06
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WAR FOOT posted:That idea is literally the worst. If the stubborn 10 man guard squad with a Commisar has a 2/3 chance to bow out of combat so I can cop more shooting in their turn, all they lose is a few piddly guardsman attacks. Why wouldn't most units not just try and bail? They get hit with a bunch of attacks and cannot defend themselves. I agree it is a lovely idea in the current shooting based game. Assault should be buffed but allowing a unit to back out whilst suffering heavy casualties would address the game designers' phobia of units getting into assault and ruining their gun-lines.
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May 31, 2014 13:09
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Lungboy posted:
All that yellow is just WAY too clean.
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Raphus C posted:They get hit with a bunch of attacks and cannot defend themselves. I agree it is a lovely idea in the current shooting based game. Assault should be buffed but allowing a unit to back out whilst suffering heavy casualties would address the game designers' phobia of units getting into assault and ruining their gun-lines. Most units already struggle to defend themselves against a charge. At worst you'd have a 50% chance to back off, and most units, be they Marines or Fire Warriors, would rather let their friends have a turn of shooting than swing.
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May 31, 2014 13:20
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Lungboy posted:
Aww... I thought those were Wartraks! Does ... does this mean that model isn't getting updated?  Would be pretty easy to convert good looking ones from those Big Gunz, though.
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May 31, 2014 14:51
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Lungboy posted:
Not painted Red  . Those new Shock Attack or whatever look great and are those Ork Dreadnoughts?Glad to see the Orks getting some new things.
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May 31, 2014 15:03
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The new shock attack gun looks like it's literally the old one but with electricity effects added to the spinny part. Everything else about that model looks identical. And where are you getting 'new mad dok'? There aren't any mad doks in this photo.
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Ignite Memories posted:The new shock attack gun looks like it's literally the old one but with electricity effects added to the spinny part. Everything else about that model looks identical. This one: 
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May 31, 2014 15:16
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Daedleh posted:This one: Doesn't the big wrench thing mean he's a Mek?
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May 31, 2014 15:19
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What kind of doctor uses wrenches? Not even a mad one
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May 31, 2014 15:20
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Looks like a big buzz saw on his right arm, but yeah all those tools probably makes him a Mekboy.
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May 31, 2014 15:27
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I'm pretty excited for the Ork 'dex myself. I've got too many orks waiting for paint as it s, but I'll probably pick up some big gunz.
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May 31, 2014 15:32
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Ignite Memories posted:What kind of doctor uses wrenches? Not even a mad one And how do you tighten on bolt-on appendages? Of course docs use wrenches.
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May 31, 2014 15:34
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If the job can't be done with a syringe bolted onto the end of a powerklaw, the job ain't worth doing.
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May 31, 2014 15:39
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Remember when I said the Flash Gitz are on big bases to fit the large proportions of their weapons? Nevermind, I guess GW is still down as gently caress with having feet standing off the edge of bases. It's so 2nd edition, it's retro!
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May 31, 2014 15:39
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I would like 2-4 Catachan heads for my new Scouts. Specifically, I would like at least one head with a bandanna and I would love the person-of-color-smoking-a-cigar head from the old Catachan Sentinel upgrade sprue. I used to have that head on one of my Marines before I sold them like 6 years ago, and I would love to make that dude again now that I'm back in this terrible game. Can anyone help me? Does anyone have extra Catachan heads sitting around?
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May 31, 2014 15:53
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Hencoe posted:Buddy of mine did this for me in between his IC's Hobby challenge so he wouldn't get too far ahead. Take the transport upgrade and throw some Venomthropes inside. 5+ cover always, or 3+ if you can keep a leg standing in some ruins.
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May 31, 2014 15:56
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Sulecrist posted:I would like 2-4 Catachan heads for my new Scouts. Specifically, I would like at least one head with a bandanna and I would love the person-of-color-smoking-a-cigar head from the old Catachan Sentinel upgrade sprue. I used to have that head on one of my Marines before I sold them like 6 years ago, and I would love to make that dude again now that I'm back in this terrible game. I am pretty sure i have a fair amount of catchen stuff in a box somewhere. I don't know if i have those specifically but later tonight i can check. Today i get to play my first 7th edition game. I don't have any psykers though, so i feel i am going to die. 
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Ignite Memories posted:The new shock attack gun looks like it's literally the old one but with electricity effects added to the spinny part. Everything else about that model looks identical. Don't fix what ain't broke.
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