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BubbleGoose posted:Oberyn is all those things, but the most important thing I took away from him was his love for his sister and how badly he wanted to avenge her. So, no, I really don't see how the way he died stood out as a comment on his character. Yeah, I got that too. And I'm with you, I like the character. But there was more to the fight and its lead-up than just him being an avenging agent of justice; he's drinking beforehand, and then he doesn't wear a helmet (foreshadowing what happens). He's seeking vengeance, but he's also grandstanding and messing around with a guy who shouldn't be messed with because he's cocksure. Tyrion and Jaime in the scene immediately prior talk about how Oberyn is sure he'll win, but that doesn't make it so. He's righteous, and he's also proud and vain. The latter got him killed, and the means of his death drives that home.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Really happy about Sansa this episode, I think she's finally getting it. When everyone in the loving continent is digging a grave just for you, it's about time she finally figures out how to step around them. I don't think this would count as a spoiler, but I'm gonna spoiler it just in case Having read the books, I'm very excited for the next few episodes. Some characters really start to be awesome, and some already awesome characters become even more awesome.
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Vehementi posted:Yeah no poo poo, as I said in the first post you quoted. It's the same trope - you think he's incapacitated for obvious reasons, but he's actually at full strength for made up reasons (being a monstrously strong or large person has no bearing on that, as the show has shown us so many times etc.) and completely defeats the guy and you sit there with a lol, okay dude. look on your face. You are insufferable both in this thread, and the ESO thread. I can't wait to stumble upon more threads to read your excellent opinion on other topics.
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What's the Mountain supposed to do? His hamstring is cut, he's not standing. Rolling away, about the only thing he can do until Oberyn gets close, accomplishes nothing. He did exactly what he could do in that situation. He waited for an opening.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:
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vanbags posted:So the Mountain is supposed to be the baddest man in the Seven Kingdoms, universally feared by all men, including Jaime Lannister who was supposedly the best swordsman in the land? And he was not only handily beat, but showboated on, by Oberyn? You know, if i were on the front lines of a battlefield, I'd definitely want the mountain in front of me rather than Oberyn, he's the ultimate tank.
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DFu4ever posted:Oberyn was also known to be a huge badass, though. Honestly, the fight was basically main event caliber between two pros, not some David vs Goliath mismatch.
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Jun 2, 2014 05:47
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The Mountain is freakishly strong, the show has gone out of it's way to point out he's a giant and has medieval super strength. In the scene he's using a two handed sword with one hand. Oberyn would have won had he not let his hubris get the better of him in a fight to the death. It's an important realistic lesson. Don't tempt fate.
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DFu4ever posted:Oberyn was also known to be a huge badass, though. Honestly, the fight was basically main event caliber between two pros, not some David vs Goliath mismatch. And yet Jamie and Bronn were too chicken poo poo to stand for Tyrion. Says a lot about their own confidence.
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vanbags posted:Only it was a David vs Goliath mismatch, only the Mountain was made to look like David. Yeah, Oberyn's fighting style did pretty much make it a mismatch.
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Winkie01 posted:Those boobs of hers are the only reason she wasn't just a extra in Winterfell after episode one, and I miss them more and more every episode But we had Missandei and I'll accept that trade. Her and Ms Sand are more my type. I should hate the Boltons but I don't. The actor playing Ramsay is just so charismatic and playing a psycho with such joyous abandon that I love when he is on the screen. edit: same with Tormund Giantsbane. Love that dude. Jesus. I did not see that coming until right before the fight. Oberyn we shall miss you. In my heart you shall forever be whoring and taking the piss out of the Lannisters. Nice scene with Tyrion and Jaime about the beetles. Tywin had such glee while giving the sentence... god I cant wait till he dies. I hope he dies last and anonymously by some peasant as he flees the dragons or white walkers. First let Tyrion and Jamie give him a sound thumping. Lastly watching the "behind the scenes" bit they mentioned Oberyn poisoned the Mountain on top of everything else. I completely missed seeing that.
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I'm just thinking, how many more people have to die before Meryn loving Trant is considered the strongest fighter left in Westeros?
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Yeah, I got that too. And I'm with you, I like the character. But there was more to the fight and its lead-up than just him being an avenging agent of justice; he's drinking beforehand, and then he doesn't wear a helmet (foreshadowing what happens). He's seeking vengeance, but he's also grandstanding and messing around with a guy who shouldn't be messed with because he's cocksure. Tyrion and Jaime in the scene immediately prior talk about how Oberyn is sure he'll win, but that doesn't make it so. Pretty much. If he took it as serious as it should have been, he would have lived. I mean, even Bronn who likes to gently caress around definitely would not have hosed around during that match. It was a flaw of his character that got him killed, more than the mountain.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Eh, I don't think it's quite as you're describing. It's not like he just didn't sell any of those wounds, Oberyn just didn't go in for a killing blow when he should have. I doubt The Mountain would have been able to jump right back into the fight. Again Oberyn impaled him square in the middle of the chest at least 1 foot deep (check out the blood as he pulls the spear out) with his full body weight landing on him. Guy's lungs are full of blood etc. but, naw, he can get up, punch with full strength and overpower the guy while talking. It's just bad writing, there are so many ways they could have done it better if they weren't I guess afraid of GRRM or something?
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Re: the matchup and Oberyn's potential victory, picking a spear as his weapon of choice was also a smart move. The biggest advantage a giant like the Mountain has in a swordfight is reach. (Hulk strength notwithstanding)
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Really happy about Sansa this episode, I think she's finally getting it. When everyone in the loving continent is digging a grave just for you, it's about time she finally figures out how to step around them. Sansa will either become a force to be reckoned with or turn batshit crazy like her aunt. I'm holding out for the former.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Re: the matchup and Oberyn's potential victory, picking a spear as his weapon of choice was also a smart move. The biggest advantage a giant like the Mountain has in a swordfight is reach. (Hulk strength notwithstanding) Yeah serious dude really used his head.
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The mountain is the retarded cousin smashing beetles analogy. Well played George
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Vehementi posted:But instead they picked the most retarded TV trope of all time "THE VILLAIN ISN'T DEAD, GET IT? HAHAHA!". That aspect of it ruined the episode for me. That happens in real life. There was even a scandal a few years back because soldiers were taped shooting bodies.
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Part of it might be the actor of course, but The Mountain is not portrayed as a very good fighter. It's all just brute strength. Presumably the Mountain's reputation comes from the battlefield, where that's plenty.
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so uhh did the mountain really die? i wasn't to clear in all the excitement. Also Jorah getting kicked he's gotta be a valuable asset to someone no matter what hes done.
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Littlefinger setting himself up to be Henry Tudor VII. So wait, did Sansa and Littlefinger bang, or is she just rocking the goth clothes because whatever? I totally saw the ending coming, but it didn't make me  any less.
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No More Heroes posted:And yet Jamie and Bronn were too chicken poo poo to stand for Tyrion. Says a lot about their own confidence. Had he never lost a hand you might have a point.
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Manic Mailman posted:so uhh did the mountain really die? i wasn't to clear in all the excitement. Also Jorah getting kicked he's gotta be a valuable asset to someone no matter what hes done. He didn't die....
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Napoleon Bonaparty posted:So wait, did Sansa and Littlefinger bang, or is she just rocking the goth clothes because whatever? I think if they bang we're going to be very much aware that they did.
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Napoleon Bonaparty posted:So wait, did Sansa and Littlefinger bang, or is she just rocking the goth clothes because whatever? What is your sexual history that you assume sleeping with a woman makes her dress up in an outfit fashioned for a supervillian's funeral?
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Vehementi posted:Again Oberyn impaled him square in the middle of the chest at least 1 foot deep (check out the blood as he pulls the spear out) with his full body weight landing on him. Guy's lungs are full of blood etc. but, naw, he can get up, punch with full strength and overpower the guy while talking. It's just bad writing, there are so many ways they could have done it better if they weren't I guess afraid of GRRM or something? Not sure how it was described in the books but it could be the showrunners fault for having him take such ridiculously unrealistic wounds ie. spear through the chest. Apparently 'any man can be killed' doesn't apply, even though a hulking giant like that would crumple like a baby when having his internal organs pierced like that.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Would a King's Guard even be allowed to stand against the crown in a trial by combat?
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Gotta say I'm pretty happy how the Ramsey/Reek story line is shaping up. I liked Ramsey from the beginning, but only now has he been put in some compelling scenes. Alfie Allen is so good playing Reek I almost don't want him to turn back into Theon. ...but I kinda do.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Would a King's Guard even be allowed to stand against the crown in a trial by combat? He'd probably have to resign, which I have no doubt Jamie would do for Tyrion.
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Manic Mailman posted:so uhh did the mountain really die? i wasn't to clear in all the excitement. Also Jorah getting kicked he's gotta be a valuable asset to someone no matter what hes done. Seems foolish that she'd kick him - you'd expect these masterful plotters to keep him around (under guard) and continue to make use out of him (perhaps now more than ever since he will want to prove himself). I guess retroactive anger that her dead baby was hypothetically threatened is a stronger force.
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Spaceman Future! posted:What is your sexual history that you assume sleeping with a woman makes her dress up in an outfit fashioned for a supervillian's funeral? Guess you never smashed a girl in her goth phase back in HS.
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BubbleGoose posted:Gotta say I'm pretty happy how the Ramsey/Reek story line is shaping up. I liked Ramsey from the beginning, but only now has he been put in some compelling scenes. Alfie Allen is so good playing Reek I almost don't want him to turn back into Theon. ...but I kinda do.
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DFu4ever posted:Yeah, Oberyn's fighting style did pretty much make it a mismatch. Dhalsim vs Zangief  Play 100% well but one fuckup and you eat the SPD!
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Napoleon Bonaparty posted:Littlefinger setting himself up to be Henry Tudor VII. Littlefinger brought out Sigur Ros to do Joy Division covers and a few hours later... I did not see the ending coming up until right before the fight. Once the girl said "come back soon" I was like "oh for fucks sake". All they needed was her to announce she was with child beforehand and Oberyn to talk about going back to school and/or opening up an orphanage when he got back. I made the face myself at the end.edit: Na'at posted:Guess you never smashed a girl in her goth phase back in HS. 
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Vehementi posted:Again Oberyn impaled him square in the middle of the chest at least 1 foot deep (check out the blood as he pulls the spear out) with his full body weight landing on him. Guy's lungs are full of blood etc. but, naw, he can get up, punch with full strength and overpower the guy while talking. It's just bad writing, there are so many ways they could have done it better if they weren't I guess afraid of GRRM or something? And then he falls the gently caress over unconscious. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug (especially when you're already an enormous rage monster). It pushes the suspension of disbelief but we're also in a world of dragons and ice monsters.
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Napoleon Bonaparty posted:Littlefinger setting himself up to be Henry Tudor VII. The In The Episode video on says that it's Sansa trying to manipulate Littlefinger by exploiting his weakness (his obsession with Cat). That same video also confirms that the Mountain was poisoned during the fight.
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Pleasant Friend posted:I'm just thinking, how many more people have to die before Meryn loving Trant is considered the strongest fighter left in Westeros? Three stable boys.
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vanbags posted:Technically didn't he step down from the King's Guard? Naw, he was going to in exchange for Tywin showing mercy to the convicted Tyrion and allowing him to join the Watch instead of being executed, but Tyrion "hosed that up" by taking the law out of Tywin's hands. I assume he still is one.
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