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Zorak posted:Also congratulations Japan on your Scaled Wurm reprint. Wait what's the story on this? Japan gets Scaled Wurm in Conspiracy and other countries don't?
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There were only five Ice Age cards printed in Japanese (as a promotional thing) and Scaled Wurm wasn't one of them. Japan did get 5th, 6th and 9th editions, but Conspiracy will be the first black-bordered Japanese printing of Scaled Wurm. This is noteworthy because it's sort of a meme among some Japanese players, like Storm Crow is with the MTG reddit crowd.
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Jun 2, 2014 13:47
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Oh man I can't wait to hopefully draft Junk at my LGS. I'd love to use Altar's Reap on a Gatekeeper to try to cheat in Spiritmonger, Woodvine Elemental, Magister of Worth, or AEther Searcher at least.
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Jun 2, 2014 13:50
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Promoted Pawn posted:So how many copies of each card do I need to make a cube of a set that would roughly replicate the distribution you would see in a normal pack? I'm assuming 1 of each mythic and 2 of each rare, but I can't quite figure out uncommon(4?) and common(8?). Other people have given you more accurate numbers, but most draft sim cubes do 1/1/2/4 just for ease of use. It's not 100% accurate, but it's close enough that it'll still have the same general feel as using regular packs.
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Dungeon Ecology posted:Wait what's the story on this? Japan gets Scaled Wurm in Conspiracy and other countries don't? No, Japan just loves Scaled Wurm because internet memes Hopping Ghost posted:There were only five Ice Age cards printed in Japanese (as a promotional thing) and Scaled Wurm wasn't one of them. Japan did get 5th, 6th and 9th editions, but Conspiracy will be the first black-bordered Japanese printing of Scaled Wurm. This is noteworthy because it's sort of a meme among some Japanese players, like Storm Crow is with the MTG reddit crowd. Is there a particular reason behind the Scaled Wurm obsession? I've never quite got the joke.
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Jun 2, 2014 15:13
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Fuuuuuuuuck, I passed that during my conspiracy draft 
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Jun 2, 2014 15:32
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So if someone bounces your Phage with oblivion ring/ etc, or if you make another creature you control a copy of it, do you still lose instantly?
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Jun 2, 2014 16:11
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change my name posted:So if someone bounces your Phage with oblivion ring/ etc, or if you make another creature you control a copy of it, do you still lose instantly? Yes, no.
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change my name posted:So if someone bounces your Phage with oblivion ring/ etc, or if you make another creature you control a copy of it, do you still lose instantly? Back in the day my favorite way to beat my buddy's Phage deck was to play Faceless Butcher and then sac the Butcher to Nantuko Husk.
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Jun 2, 2014 16:24
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Gynovore posted:Yes, no. Depends how the copy comes into being. Phantasmal Image is fine if played from the hand, and not reanimated or flickered, a token copy will lose the game.
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Jun 2, 2014 16:25
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If something already on the battlefield later becomes Phage you also don't lose the game.
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Alaan posted:If something already on the battlefield later becomes Phage you also don't lose the game. RIP middle-period Full English Breakfast
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Jun 2, 2014 17:06
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Alaan posted:If something already on the battlefield later becomes Phage you also don't lose the game. This is what I meant as "copy of", I was thinking of a situation where you discarded it and also owned one of those creatures that could become something in a graveyard.
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Are there any rules about asking a judge for oracle text on a card during a draft? I'm deciding where on the scale of douchebaggery adding a pack of non-English Dragon's Maze lies if one were to draft a Lore Seeker. e: Also, are Conspiracy packs going to show up in big box stores or is it an LGS exclusive like the event decks? This set seems like a set I'll probably end up wanting to impulse buy packs on since I probably won't get to draft it as heavily as a regular set. BXCX fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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BXCX posted:Are there any rules about asking a judge for oracle text on a card during a draft? I'm deciding where on the scale of douchebaggery adding a pack of non-English Dragon's Maze lies if one were to draft a Lore Seeker. Probably LGS only. However I DID see some Event Decks for JOU at Target recently, so it might be possible.
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Jun 2, 2014 17:53
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Do you think I can make a decent cube out of just one Conspiracy box or should I get two? This will be my first cube and figure this is the easiest way to get into the format.
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OssiansFolly posted:Do you think I can make a decent cube out of just one Conspiracy box or should I get two? This will be my first cube and figure this is the easiest way to get into the format. Step one get a print quota at work/school Step two print out every card you want and shove em in If you're buying conspiracy boxes just draft with em, don't put all the leftover cards into a cube that sounds weird.
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Mortimer posted:Step one get a print quota at work/school My plan was to get some Conspiracy, draft with it, and then collect back the cards and use that as a jumping-off point for a cube 
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OssiansFolly posted:Do you think I can make a decent cube out of just one Conspiracy box or should I get two? This will be my first cube and figure this is the easiest way to get into the format. One should be fine, and you can always add more packs later. Count Bleck posted:Probably LGS only. It probably depends on the company stocking the product for Target. If they have an actual store somewhere, they could easily get the product to sell. BXCX posted:Are there any rules about asking a judge for oracle text on a card during a draft? I'm deciding where on the scale of douchebaggery adding a pack of non-English Dragon's Maze lies if one were to draft a Lore Seeker. The real question is if the judge will know what it is to look it up.
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Kabanaw posted:My plan was to get some Conspiracy, draft with it, and then collect back the cards and use that as a jumping-off point for a cube My plan as well. Screw the piracy suggestion--I have four boxes ordered because I would like to support Wizards' following through on such a cool idea. I just wish they had printed it as a reusable "cube" set in the first place instead of boosters.
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Mortimer posted:Step one get a print quota at work/school That's not weird at all. Lots of people did that with Modern Masters.
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Kabanaw posted:My plan was to get some Conspiracy, draft with it, and then collect back the cards and use that as a jumping-off point for a cube I've made a few cubes, and from what I've seen conspiracy just doesn't feel like the kind of set you want to base a cube off of. A lot of cards are cool and that's awesome but I feel like a conspiracube using only that set (or mostly that set) will feel stale really fast, especially after drafting it a few times. Conspiracy, like most sets, is designed to be "fair and balanced" to all players while avoiding any reprints. Cube's don't have to follow the reserved list, the "don't reprint because LGS will hate you" list, or the "keep the power level reasonable" doctrine. Half the fun in a cube is throwing in cards like Gifts Ungiven and Unburial rites or splinter twin, or any combination of cards that are really fun to play with that you will never EVER see in a pack again. I had an idea people have probably already thought of for cube, and that's separate the conspiracy draft-altering cards and when you're making packs to draft throw one in each cube pack. That's a good use of conspiracy. edit: lol at "piracy"
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You wouldn't download a Jace
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Conspiracy would be an interesting jumping-off point for a multiplayer cube, but the set isn't really powerful enough as a whole to be the real basis for a cube (Pauper cubes really have to seek out some of the best commons in order to work; while something like Lizard Warrior works in normal draft, it doesn't have a place in any cube). It also doesn't look like it's got quite distinct enough archetypes--MMA was pretty cubelike, and for a normal set Innistrad had well defined archetypes that made for some pretty distinct decks, but I'm not seeing enough of that in Conspiracy.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:39
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Brownhat posted:That's not weird at all. Lots of people did that with Modern Masters. Yeah, I turned 2 MMA boxes into a cube of 4x Common/2x Uncommon/1x Rare/0x Mythic but I needed to do a lot of legwork to gather up all the rares and a handful of uncommons I missed. Dumb rules question: If I cast Natural Order sacrificing Worldspine Wurm can I search up that same Worldspine Wurm since it gets shuffled into the library when it dies?
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Yes, because you sacrificed the Worldspine Wurm as a cost, then shuffled it in before the spell resolves.
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BXCX posted:If I cast Natural Order sacrificing Worldspine Wurm can I search up that same Worldspine Wurm since it gets shuffled into the library when it dies? Yes. You announce Natural Order, pay the costs (one of which is sacrificing Worldspine Wurm), and then put the spell on the stack. Wurm's shuffle effect then gets triggered and resolves before Natural Order. You can then search it out when NO resolves. ScarletBrother fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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I think using a box of Conspiracy as the core of a draft sim or cube is fine. Many of the cards are a lot more suited for multiplayer games, so you might want to do a lot of customization if you plan on using it for 1v1 matches. The always go first conspiracy card, for example, is pretty fair for a group game but probably too good for head to head. Cubes don't have to be powerful to work and an increasing number of them are being built to create specific draft and play environments rather than just trying to push the most broken cards and decks together. whydirt fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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Flowstone Blade is a really cool reprint for a multiplayer-focused set.
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LordSaturn posted:Yes, because you sacrificed the Worldspine Wurm as a cost, then shuffled it in before the spell resolves. ScarletBrother posted:Yes. You pay announce Natural Order, pay the costs (one of which is sacrificing Worldspine Wurm), and then put the spell on the stack. Wurm's shuffle effect then gets triggered and resolves before Natural Order. You can then search it out when NO resolves. Thanks! Looks like I'll be abusing that more regularly in the future.
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Magic Forge is set up so you can click "No" when asked if you want to pay life to activate Mana Confluence and it'll still give you the mana  EDIT: And it untaps it so you can do it again! EDIT: Doesn't do if it's the only land out so presumably it checks if you have other mana sources to pay with but otherwise i have no idea. PrinnySquadron fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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PrinnySquadron posted:Magic Forge is set up so you can click "No" when asked if you want to pay life to activate Mana Confluence and it'll still give you the mana That's okay, the real MTGO has a bug with Prophetic Flamespeaker where if you get both exiled cards and play a scryland with it, you can't scry because the window is fixed behind the Exile window. The game ends and you lose.
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If you're playing Plains in Modern or whatever, other than specifically against Blood Moon/Magus of the Moon, is there a specific reason you wouldn't run Flagstones of Trokair? With the current Legendary rule you'd even be able to tap it before playing the second one you've drawn and you wouldn't lose mana for that turn. Is there a hidden downside I'm not seeing?
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what you said + can't be fetched and can't get one off of path to exile
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And you don't even get any good armageddon effects in Modern.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:And you don't even get any good armageddon effects in Modern. Cascade into Boom/Bust is pretty decent.
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Angry Grimace posted:That's okay, the real MTGO has a bug with Prophetic Flamespeaker where if you get both exiled cards and play a scryland with it, you can't scry because the window is fixed behind the Exile window. The game ends and you lose. Is Mind's Desire still broken?
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Zorak posted:Is there a particular reason behind the Scaled Wurm obsession? I've never quite got the joke. I think it's mostly because it's just the sort of big dumb vanilla creature with a cool dragon in the art that kids and new players would think was awesome. If there's more to the meme than "it's funny because we're acting like something that isn't particularly special is overpowered," I dunno what it is. It's their "reprint Storm Crow"/"Honey Badger don't care." I remember Scaled Wurm's art was one of the big faces of MTG when I was a kid and it was all over store displays, magazine ads, page-a-day calendars, etc. - but Japan never got a localized Ice Age release so that probably didn't contribute. EDIT: Oh wow, I am so tempted to buy this. I cut all my favorite illustrations out of this and glued them all over my trade binder/school Trapper Keeper. I was a really cool 11-year-old. Johnny Landmine fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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Hopping Ghost posted:EDIT: Oh wow, I am so tempted to buy this. I cut all my favorite illustrations out of this and glued them all over my trade binder/school Trapper Keeper. I was a really cool 11-year-old.
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Because it drives me insane when people use dice to represent token creatures, I like to plan ahead to bring as many of the appropriate tokens for limited as I can. In case anyone else is weird like me, here's what you'll need for Conspiracy and the cards that make them: 1/1 White Spirit w/ Flying (Custodi Soulbinders, Doomed Traveler) X/X Black Demon w/ Flying (Reign of the Pit) 2/2 Black Zombie (Wakedancer) 4/4 Red Ogre (Grenzo's Rebuttal) 3/3 Green Elephant (Elephant Guide, Selvala's Charge, Terrastodon) 1/1 Green Squirrel (Squirrel Nest) 2/2 Green Wolf (Predator's Howl, Wolfbriar Elemental) 1/1 Colorless Construct artifact w/ Defender (Flamewright, Sentinel Dispatch) Dack Emblem (Donk Fandango)
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