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Okay, so, going back through Children of Time, and Quasi-Future-Check-Out-My-New-Hairstyle-and-Badass-Humans-Ears-Imitation Odo being the biggest dick that ever lived, I went to ~the wiki~ to see what was said about the episode andquote:Ronald D. Moore (...) : "It tells the audience how deeply this man can love. He can love to the point that he will sacrifice an entire world for a woman." just solidifies why it failed so spectacularly for me. I dug the set-up and all, not one of the best but it was intriguing, but seriously jdalksjd;sada Moore (given BSG) is one of those dudes that's a bit like JJ: keep him holed up in the "idea guy" room, but don't let him actually write. EDIT: Honestly, it would've been fine if Odo/Kira hadn't eventually been a thing canonically, but, welp. Old Boot fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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To me it says "don't let him talk to the public". I have no problem with Children of Time.
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Jun 2, 2014 11:14
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You'd think that after the SECOND time the holodeck tried to kill crew members and/or became sentient and tried to take over the ship, Picard would have shut that poo poo down until they figured out a way to put in failsafes so it didn't happen again, or at least have Starfleet engineers look into their totally broken holodeck hardware. But nope. The holodeck malfunctions and tries to kill people more times than not almost every season of TNG.
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Jun 2, 2014 11:51
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The fundamental basis of the Star Trek is a universe is that you really just can't make some things safe all the time so we should all just move on and deal with it. So basically Star Trek is just our future without lean/six sigma.
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Jun 2, 2014 12:49
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How hard would it be to put in a circuit where if the holodeck safeties failed, the whole holodeck would would shut down? What the hell kind of organization puts a device on a ship where you can turn the safeties off? In the military, you have to do a safety brief to do anything mildly dangerous. This is a device where some random character can shoot you with real bullets. I would make it so you have to physicially rewire the thing to turn safeties off. And the location to do that is inside a locked box requiring the authorization of two of the command staff.
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Jun 2, 2014 14:56
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Gonz posted:You'd think that after the SECOND time the holodeck tried to kill crew members and/or became sentient and tried to take over the ship, Picard would have shut that poo poo down until they figured out a way to put in failsafes so it didn't happen again, or at least have Starfleet engineers look into their totally broken holodeck hardware.
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Jun 2, 2014 15:13
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It is nice that even when failing the holodecks only ever tried to kill people within the restrictions of the simulations, though. I mean, you're putting your body inside a device that could with the slightest malfunctioning spasm of equipment slice your body with a dozen forcefields or superheat it to five hundred degrees or slam it against the back wall at a hundred miles an hour or suffocate you inside a projected wall.
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Jun 2, 2014 15:45
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Gonz posted:But nope. The holodeck malfunctions and tries to kill people more times than not almost every season of TNG. I don't think this is accurate.
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Jun 2, 2014 16:28
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An Old Boot posted:Okay, so, going back through Children of Time, and Quasi-Future-Check-Out-My-New-Hairstyle-and-Badass-Humans-Ears-Imitation Odo being the biggest dick that ever lived, I went to ~the wiki~ to see what was said about the episode and The thing of it is, if you compare "Children of Time" to "What You Leave Behind" you see Odo's character growth. In the former, Odo was so traumatized by Kira's sudden death that he wiped out people he'd lived among for two hundred years to get her back. In "What You Leave Behind" he sacrifices his relationship with Kira to save the rest of the Changelings knowing it may be years or never before he can return to her.
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Jun 2, 2014 16:38
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I don't think this is accurate. So other than the two Moriarty episodes - one, really, if we assume that Moriarty was duly stored and they meant what they told him, they just hadn't gotten around to it - does the holodeck actually go nuts? Discounting either situations where the holodeck was merely an implement (Barclay's throne) or people got hosed up due to their own stupidity on that holodeck, and if possible, voyager. Are there any holodeck crises in the first season of TNG? Maybe they ripped off a questionable Ferengi technology based on sensor analysis, and it turned out to do things like produce intelligent beings.
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Jun 2, 2014 16:43
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An Old Boot posted:Moore (given BSG) is one of those dudes that's a bit like JJ: keep him holed up in the "idea guy" room, but don't let him actually write. Did you watch any of Helix?
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Jun 2, 2014 16:47
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Nessus posted:Are there any holodeck crises in the first season of TNG? Maybe they ripped off a questionable Ferengi technology based on sensor analysis, and it turned out to do things like produce intelligent beings. The Big Goodbye, where the holodeck controls get stuck and won't respond, the safeties turn off, and we learn that cutting the power might disintegrate everyone inside.
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Jun 2, 2014 16:50
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...and they somehow can't pry or cut their way through the holodeck doors. 
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Jun 2, 2014 17:11
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MikeJF posted:The Big Goodbye, where the holodeck controls get stuck and won't respond, the safeties turn off, and we learn that cutting the power might disintegrate everyone inside. What in the loving gently caress? I would never enter one of these potential Suicide Booths 
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Jun 2, 2014 17:16
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Even if the Holodeck is mostly malfunctioning in what we see on the show, you can justify it in your head by noting that of course the show is only showing us the days when there were "incidents" on the ship. The thing is probably in operation twenty-four seven with lonely Barclay-types playing Vulcan Love Slave or half-assed parents using Elemental Forest Fun Time to babysit their kids. Sure, occasionally a cloud alien gets into the wires or some jerk aliens reprogram a computer, but it's a small price to pay to keep Worf from practicing his combat on some poor Ensign instead. Maybe if the command crew would stop trying to custom design their own hipster "relive the 1940s" programs and go with some of the packaged sims, the thing would actually run smoothly for a change.
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Jun 2, 2014 17:17
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The Holodecks probably have that stupid "turn the safety's off" setting because some Starfleet dorks complained about their "immersion" in their holo-programs. 
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Jun 2, 2014 17:21
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Apple Jax posted:The Holodecks probably have that stupid "turn the safety's off" setting because some Starfleet dorks complained about their "immersion" in their holo-programs.
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Jun 2, 2014 17:22
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:What in the loving gently caress? A Holodeck is a choreographed whirl of dozens of forcefields dancing around a person, any one of which could slice him in pieces with a single mistake.
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Jun 2, 2014 17:30
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Bicyclops posted:The thing is probably in operation twenty-four seven with lonely Barclay-types playing Vulcan Love Slave I think you're confusing Barclay with Riker. Barclay-types would be playing dating sims on the holodeck.
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Jun 2, 2014 17:31
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I think you're confusing Barclay with Riker. Barclay-types would be playing dating sims on the holodeck. Barclay-chan, am I kawaii?
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Jun 2, 2014 17:33
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Barclay-types would be playing dating sims on the holodeck. Computer, load Ore no Counselor ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai.  "Ohayou, Lejji-kun."
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Jun 2, 2014 17:37
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BARCLAY! I don't know what kind of shenanigans you were pulling the Holodeck with this anime program, but you fix the computer at once. All of a sudden, whenever somebody points out my baldness, I become irrationally angry, turn into a bunch of squiggles and talk in a fast-paced rate and Geordi can only measure the shields in power levels of 9000.
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Jun 2, 2014 17:43
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Computer, load Ore no Counselor ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai. I think Rick Sternbach just popped a boner somewhere
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Jun 2, 2014 17:49
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I often wonder if holodecks were available right now what kind of programs would be made for it's initial release. Looking at the current gaming industry it would either be some sort of first person shooter or football game, but we all know there would be a fantastic amount of porn programs and the industry would freaking boom.
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Jun 2, 2014 18:21
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Apple Jax posted:I often wonder if holodecks were available right now what kind of programs would be made for it's initial release. Looking at the current gaming industry it would either be some sort of first person shooter or football game, but we all know there would be a fantastic amount of porn programs and the industry would freaking boom. It would be the end of civilization.
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Jun 2, 2014 18:42
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Apple Jax posted:I often wonder if holodecks were available right now what kind of programs would be made for it's initial release. Looking at the current gaming industry it would either be some sort of first person shooter or football game, but we all know there would be a fantastic amount of porn programs and the industry would freaking boom. It'd just be Duke Nukem turned up to 11. Guns, explosions, tits attached to utterly vapid and mindless babes. Civilization would be in trouble for a few weeks but then the women would get things organized and take charge and let us men just live in our ridiculous fantasy worlds while they got poo poo done. e; ^^^ t 
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Jun 2, 2014 18:42
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I know if I had one it would be part gymnasium cum personal trainer, maybe with some kind of game scenario layered onto it and part "really advanced instruction manual," like googling how to bake something except having a person to actually guide you through it step by step. I assume Holosuites on earth would have some kind of Internet connectivity, so it could also be used as a way to catch up with friends who live in other places "face to face."
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Jun 2, 2014 18:57
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Mister Adequate posted:the women would get things organized and take charge All according to plan. SOON. Honestly though, I wouldn't be one of the ones in charge. I would definitely be stuck in Star Trek simulator® program till the end of my days along with probably most of you scrubs.
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Jun 2, 2014 18:59
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Lowen SoDium posted:It would be the end of civilization.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:09
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How many nerds do you think tell their families they "joined" Starfleet? They put on the uniform they replicated and go down to the local holoarcade and play star ship with their friends. Then they go back home and tell their mom about all the missions they did that day. Also, I watched Move Along Home and Julian was freaking out about not having his dress uniform. Why not just replicate a new one? "Computer, one uncomfortable onesie please."
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Jun 2, 2014 19:12
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In the future, people are probably trying to get married to their weird porno fetish sims.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:13
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Apple Jax posted:I often wonder if holodecks were available right now what kind of programs would be made for it's initial release. Looking at the current gaming industry it would either be some sort of first person shooter or football game, but we all know there would be a fantastic amount of porn programs and the industry would freaking boom. You know, I think retired pro athletes would make a goddamn killing. Train with Pele/Gretzky/Naismith/whoever! Get personalized advice from the stars of years gone by! Imagine having Tiger Woods on call anytime you want to help improve your golf swing.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:25
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You could bring up the OJ simulator to learn how to kill your wife.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:28
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That one's already available in your local bookstore and as an eBook on your Kindle Fire!
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Jun 2, 2014 19:30
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Cojawfee posted:How many nerds do you think tell their families they "joined" Starfleet? They put on the uniform they replicated and go down to the local holoarcade and play star ship with their friends. Then they go back home and tell their mom about all the missions they did that day. Mostly because it was early days and they were still using mostly broken Cardassian replicators that probably couldn't do Federation uniforms very well, or were just down and broken at that moment.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:34
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jng2058 posted:Mostly because it was early days and they were still using mostly broken Cardassian replicators that probably couldn't do Federation uniforms very well, or were just down and broken at that moment. There must have been a tailor there for a reason.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:54
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FlamingLiberal posted:How else are people going to see the next installment of Vulcan Love Slave? They go back to its origins as a stage play and perform it in Ten-Forward?
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Jun 2, 2014 21:10
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The holodeck isn't even the worst. The worst is that the system to eject the warp core is apparently dependent on having a functioning warp core. Apparently you can't scram a warp core. They looked at lovely 1950s nuclear reactors and decided having even few safety appliances was better. gently caress, the Chicago Pile was safer.
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Jun 3, 2014 00:24
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What's annoying is that all you should have to do is stop pumping antimatter. That's it. Stop pumping antimatter and there's no more reaction.
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Sash! posted:The holodeck isn't even the worst. To be fair the only ship with a hosed up core ejector was the Enterprise-D. The Galaxy Class must have had a design flaw. The E and Voyager both popped theirs fine - like four times in Voyager's case.
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