|
The first episode of Sherlock Season Three spent more time laughing with/at the fans than dealing with the consequences of it's last episode. It was self congratulatory wank. The best bit was all the fans here claiming nothing about the show had changed and anyone complaining over the perceived differences was a moron. Guess everyone realized what utter loving nonsense that was then?
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 10:25
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 05:10 |
|
|
The first episode of Sherlock Season 3 basically feels like a victory lap. There's a lot of "Come on guys, high five for that one", except it didn't seem to end. Moffat is as in love with 'smart' characters as Aaron Sorkin is. It's the idea of oh they're assholes, but aren't they brilliant? I don't really want to start off a whole Elementary/Sherlock thing because it happens every once in a while but their approach to Holmes/Watson is very different, and in Elementary is much more human, and culpable for his actions. There are consequences to his dickery, whereas I think Sherlock just lets him off the hook a lot.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 10:39
|
|
|
DrVenkman posted:The first episode of Sherlock Season 3 basically feels like a victory lap. There's a lot of "Come on guys, high five for that one", except it didn't seem to end. Yeah, and seven episodes into a series is a little early to become that self-referential. I guess the ending was clever and Moriarty was a good villain (not really), but shows with that few episodes should be expanding their worlds, not making them smaller by focusing on and constantly rehashing their one good plotline.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 12:01
|
|
|
Slamhound posted:The second episode was the best. The first and last were mostly forgettable. I'll give you that, the second episode was fun. It was also the only one with anything resembling a mystery worth a drat.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 13:11
|
|
|
I enjoyed the series premiere of Halt & Catch Fire. It looks to have a great cast, and i'm fascinated by computer technology that existed when I was a small child. They also went to great lengths to "80's" the everloving poo poo out of the world, too.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 14:04
|
|
|
I'm hesitant to give that show a look just because everyone who has recommended to me or who I've seen praise it has been of the "computer nerd" variety. I'm feeling like I won't appreciate it unless I built my own computer. But I'm a lowly mac owner who has to do a google search every time someone asks me to clean their computer so I get the feeling I'm just not going to be engaged. But that could just be the impression those people are giving since they're focusing on the computer stuff. I don't care about advertising but I enjoy Mad Men. So I'll probably wait until a couple of episodes air and I can marathon to get a sense of the show and story.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 14:20
|
|
|
STAC Goat posted:I'm hesitant to give that show a look just because everyone who has recommended to me or who I've seen praise it has been of the "computer nerd" variety. I'm feeling like I won't appreciate it unless I built my own computer. But I'm a lowly mac owner who has to do a google search every time someone asks me to clean their computer so I get the feeling I'm just not going to be engaged. I didn't much care for it, but I also didn't care for Silicon Valley either. Not that they really are anything alike, but I'm thinking the subject matter probably played a part in me not caring for them at all. Also I didn't really think Silicon Valley was very funny and for a comedy that's pretty vital.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 14:25
|
|
|
Deadpool posted:I didn't much care for it, but I also didn't care for Silicon Valley either. Not that they really are anything alike, but I'm thinking the subject matter probably played a part in me not caring for them at all. Also I didn't really think Silicon Valley was very funny and for a comedy that's pretty vital. Look at this poor guy who will never know how long it would take him to jerk off every guy in this room.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 14:33
|
|
|
IRQ posted:Look at this poor guy who will never know how long it would take him to jerk off every guy in this room. I'll live.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 14:35
|
|
|
Deadpool posted:I didn't much care for it, but I also didn't care for Silicon Valley either. Not that they really are anything alike, but I'm thinking the subject matter probably played a part in me not caring for them at all. Also I didn't really think Silicon Valley was very funny and for a comedy that's pretty vital. Yeah I didn't bother with Silicon Valley either. It seemed a bit too much like some other show I watched on Amazon or Netflix about an app startup that I lost interest in a few episodes in. I forget the name and can't find it easily, but I'm pretty sure it was recommended to me after I finished Alpha House. Regardless it seems like we're at a point where there's going to be a lot of shows and movies looking back on the major computer developments or the "geek culture" around it and that just doesn't really appeal to me. And Halt or Catch Fire just seems like it might be in that group. Edit: The show was Betas. And on paper it sounds very much like the same show as Silicon Valley (on paper). STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Jun 3, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 14:40
|
|
|
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1htukbyYAuQ
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 15:15
|
|
|
Drake is such garbage that he even ruins Stone Cold Luigi.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 15:20
|
|
|
Search is still down I think but I can't seem to remember there even being a thread for Halt and Catch Fire on SA. That being said, yeah, I think the premise of the show is cool but I don't know if it's sexy enough even for the Mad Men crowd who may not be so technically inclined. I'm like just borderline and I know how to build a PC, but I can't  out about like transistor counts or TFLOPS like some others (which is even way off base for what happened in the 80s). Though the characters are interesting the watch, the whole larger frame of Computer Race probably doesn't seem really appealing to a large audience, which is a shame. At least something like The Americans (though it barely does just as well in viewer count/demo) has simple Reagan Era Cold War. Russian Spies in Arranged Marriage. written all over it which I can only assume is easier to follow/more appealing to a broader audience. HCF is like "Draper-esque executive/super failed goony computer guy/hot computer chick trying to copy a the computer" and they're already like name dropping tech companies that aren't IBM by their acronyms right off (like TI = Texas Instruments but who might make that connection?). Here is an article which is basically the history of how Compaq's rise to fame and what they had to do to copy the IBM PC, which is mostly what Halt and Catch Fire is based on (or at least the big plot is).
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 16:51
|
|
|
I just watched the pilot to Sherlock Now I'm no sociopathic savant but I kinda figured out every single plot twist and turn before Sherlock did, which is kind of stupid when it's a show about the greatest detective of all time
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 17:43
|
|
|
Y'all who aren't watching Da Vinci's Demons are missing out. It's the bestest worst show I've ever seen.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 17:50
|
|
|
E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:I just watched the pilot to Sherlock Have you ever read any of the books? The first episode is based off the first one. The only thing they changed was the sections about how evil the Mormon church is.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 17:52
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:Have you ever read any of the books? The first episode is based off the first one. The only thing they changed was the sections about how evil the Mormon church is. No
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 17:54
|
|
|
GreenNight posted:Y'all who aren't watching Da Vinci's Demons are missing out. It's the bestest worst show I've ever seen. Speaking of Assassin's Creed the new show on Fox looks terrible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC2Nn0lPmfc
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 17:58
|
|
|
GreenNight posted:Y'all who aren't watching Da Vinci's Demons are missing out. It's the bestest worst show I've ever seen. It really has been far far better than the premise would ever have suggested. There are still times when it's poo poo, but by and large it is very entertaining.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 18:14
|
|
|
It's cool to see Tim Heidecker on Eastbound and Down. I'm a big T&E fan (along with the other shows they write/produce/direct) and it's always interesting seeing him in a more subdued role.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 18:16
|
|
|
Deadpool posted:I'll live. You'll exist, you wont "live" brother.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 18:34
|
|
|
E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:I just watched the pilot to Sherlock
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 18:38
|
|
|
Did they ever explain how he did not die at the end of s2?
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 18:38
|
|
|
zoux posted:Did they ever explain how he did not die at the end of s2? Yes, yes, yes, and not really.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 18:45
|
|
|
zoux posted:Did they ever explain how he did not die at the end of s2? Yes and it was in the most boring way imaginable that everyone guessed.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 18:54
|
|
|
Well??????
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 18:54
|
|
|
zoux posted:Well?????? They explained it but then they did the obnoxious "...OR WAS IT?" thing.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 18:58
|
|
|
E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:I just watched the pilot to Sherlock Don't worry, that goes away. They don't make the slightest effort to make the mystery actually solvable by the viewer because they withhold information. Just like the books.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:02
|
|
|
zoux posted:Well?????? It was a body double and they had the real Sherlock fall on a big huge mat or some poo poo and run away before Watson could get up and see him.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:02
|
|
|
FactsAreUseless posted:The plotting in Sherlock isn't very good, especially in that first episode. It's not a bad show when it just lets characters bounce off each other, but otherwise it's a bit of a mess. Sherlock is Moffat as gently caress and if that doesn't work for you it's not for you.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:10
|
|
|
PantsBandit posted:It was a body double and they had the real Sherlock fall on a big huge mat or some poo poo and run away before Watson could get up and see him. Or was it...?
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:14
|
|
|
PantsBandit posted:It was a body double and they had the real Sherlock fall on a big huge mat or some poo poo and run away before Watson could get up and see him. I love that the effect of the reveal made it seem like the whole conspiracy existed just to fake out Watson.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:27
|
|
|
Rarity posted:They explained it but then they did the obnoxious "...OR WAS IT?" thing. They made an incredibly obvious statement of "You don't need to know, it's not actually important, he's Sherlock loving Holmes. It's about him and Watson." throughout the episode. People missed the point of that, much like they missed the point of the programme openly mocking the people who had been obsessing over how it was done. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 3, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:27
|
|
|
Can't wait for The Strain. Rereading the first book now, then gonna buy the rest and go through it. Glad I have enough time before the show comes out. Del Toro's gonna kick some rear end again!
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:34
|
|
|
Rapey Joe Stalin posted:They made an incredibly obvious statement of "You don't need to know, it's not actually important, he's Sherlock loving Holmes. It's about him and Watson." throughout the episode. People missed the point of that, much like they missed the point of the programme openly mocking the people who had been obsessing over how it was done. This is a loving cop-out though. It would work much better in a show like Elementary that actually focuses on the characters. Sherlock exist in too much of a cartoon reality with flat characters for me to let that excuse fly, especially when the BBC and the two head writers had been teasing the resolution for the two year gap between seasons.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:42
|
|
|
Look I've become a big believer in subjectivity in the past few years but I still think that anyone who thinks Sherlock season 3 is good is a garbage human being. now maybe Deadpool will tell us to shut up about that too and we can get back to better topics like the Luigi death stare and how loving amazing Louie is
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:50
|
|
|
E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:I just watched the pilot to Sherlock The first episode has an issue where the original pilot was much shorter and they added something like half an hour to the end. That's why Sherlock basically figures it out but doesn't actually come to the conclusion.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 19:55
|
|
|
Rapey Joe Stalin posted:They made an incredibly obvious statement of "You don't need to know, it's not actually important, he's Sherlock loving Holmes. It's about him and Watson." throughout the episode. People missed the point of that, much like they missed the point of the programme openly mocking the people who had been obsessing over how it was done. Yeah I'm pretty sure no one missed that given that they beat you over the head with it all episode, but that doesn't excuse them handwaving a two-year-long cliffhanger away with 'Don't worry about it!' Especially when the excuse is that it's just about him and Watson, because nothing actually changes and Sherlock keeps being an inconsiderate jackass while Watson keeps having Stockholm syndrome.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 20:10
|
|
|
I'm sure the body double/bicyclist knocks Watson out to distract him was the best they could come up with, and when they couldn't one up that in a more ~~clever~~ way they decided to just pretend to do the fakeout with whats-his-face who got super obsessed about it in the interview.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 20:14
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 05:10 |
|
|
The issue is that Moffat and Gatiss both added all sorts of fuel to the fire when it came to obsessing over how it was done, with various comments in interviews, so coming back two years later and being like "lol, it wasn't important at all, you dumb nerds!" is just a dick move.
|
|
#
?
Jun 3, 2014 20:23
|
|