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Star War Sex Parrot posted:i like c++ smart pointers a lot  I hope Rust figures out what the hell it's doing. This may be the Stockholm syndrome, but the current execution is less appealing than modern C++.
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swift is cool is there documentation on how to do things with osx in it instead of objectivist c yet
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swift is not that cool in any absolute sense, but it is almost certain to have some mainstream impact, and it is a fresh breath of air from that perspective
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they should have just made swift a subset of c# and been done w/ it. then they could write their own compiler like they've already done and maybe upgrade to a real one from Microsoft in the future.
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Jun 4, 2014 00:19
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does microsoft use c# for its flagship products yet
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b0lt posted:a phone that's faster than top of the line desktops from like 2005 remember azureus? yeah
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Malcolm XML posted:but it is essentially a damning argument against developing languages in isolation; imagine if apple put their backing behind rust? yeah, then they'd reap the rewards of hobbling their ability to innovate by using technology tied to some moribund standards organization out of their control!
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Nipplebox posted:does microsoft use c# for its flagship products yet lol nice one
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:i like c++ smart pointers a lot i remember before i learned c++ i thought memory management in it was hard but it's actually easier than it was in pre-ARC objc i still can't believe something so simple (to use) is so fast
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Jun 4, 2014 01:39
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Shaggar posted:they should have just made swift a subset of c# and been done w/ it. then they could write their own compiler like they've already done and maybe upgrade to a real one from Microsoft in the future. C# is a bad language from a company who can't be assed to actually use it.
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The first time Microsoft shipped a consumer product written in C# was Kinectimals when they used Unity/Mono.
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Suspicious Dish posted:C# is a bad language from a company who can't be assed to actually use it. lol
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Jun 4, 2014 01:48
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Nipplebox posted:does microsoft use c# for its flagship products yet no because a c# binary can in one click turn into the product's original source code minus the comments. that's more to do with the CLR than c# but in practice c# only exists atop the CLR.
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Jun 4, 2014 01:48
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I need to validate a bunch of giant csvs in python, what should I use? csvvalidate looks okay i guess. i'll need to do the same to xml data later if that changes anything.
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Jun 4, 2014 01:58
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use java or c# instead
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Shaggar posted:use java or c# instead thanks shaggar but well no
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your just setting yourself up to fail
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have always loved visual studio and c# but at this very moment i'm trying to build an old c++ visual studio solution of 25 projects and it's loving annoying. i wish when i set one project as a dependency of another project i could specify that i want to include/link files from that project, without having to manually specify every individual link in every individual project. i'm using a common property sheet but it's still less friendly than with a c# solution.
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Jun 4, 2014 02:06
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I am not the biggest fan of the solution format vs workspaces in eclipse. solutions are too tightly coupled to projects and theres no maven equivalent for vs which is really annoying.
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my most used ide at the moment is intellij, for grails. i like it but i find it frustrating that you can't open more than one project in one instance, you need a separate window if you want to work on two at once.
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Malcolm XML posted:c++ smart ptrs are pretty much the nicest solution, everything is explicit
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gabensraum posted:my most used ide at the moment is intellij, for grails. i like it but i find it frustrating that you can't open more than one project in one instance, you need a separate window if you want to work on two at once. if you use maven you can open more than one in the maven slidey window
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Jun 4, 2014 02:24
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Suspicious Dish posted:The first time Microsoft shipped a consumer product written in C# was Kinectimals when they used Unity/Mono. And that wasn't developed by them but by Frontier much like the other versions
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gabensraum posted:my most used ide at the moment is intellij, for grails. i like it but i find it frustrating that you can't open more than one project in one instance, you need a separate window if you want to work on two at once. you can have multiple modules in one project. importing a maven tree and getting a module for each artifact is ez. current intellij gripe: it has a 2-3 minute seizure every time i switch branches, which was a problem because i needed to simultaneously debug artifacts built from separate branches. this ide is not doing a good job of supporting my team's terrible QA practices
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someone teach me about smart ptrs im a babby idiot at c++ even though i use it on the reg i just treat it like c extensions rather than anything not hideously abusive to myself
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please run intellij with the -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC vm option i wish they would just enable this by default
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Bloody posted:someone teach me about smart ptrs im a babby idiot at c++ even though i use it on the reg i just treat it like c extensions rather than anything not hideously abusive to myself if you've written c++ for any amount of time and actually used destructors, then smart pointers are just how you'd write a pointer class, basically.
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Bloody posted:someone teach me about smart ptrs im a babby idiot at c++ even though i use it on the reg i just treat it like c extensions rather than anything not hideously abusive to myself you construct a shared_ptr by calling make_shared (or passing a pointer allocated with new, or by specifying a deleter and passing a pointer allocated by whatever). it starts off with refcount 1, copying the shared_ptr will increment the refcount, destructing the shared_ptr will decrement the refcount, and delete if the refcount hits zero. weak_ptr is a weak pointer constructed from a shared_ptr that gets nulled if the shared_ptr gets freed unique_ptr is a pointer that you can't copy
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i guess i dont copy things because i dont know what any of that means if i pass a pointer to a function or method or w/e c++ calls em do they get copied why dont i know this inm y defense im really tired right now and a loving moron
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Stubbs posted:please run intellij with the -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC vm option did i not mention the part where i had to double the heap and turn on CMS to not be driven insane by GC pauses
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Bloody posted:i guess i dont copy things because i dont know what any of that means ok heres how c++ works. copying a shared_ptr has side effects. c++ programmers think this is a good thing. thats really all a sane person needs to know about c++
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:ok heres how c++ works. copying a shared_ptr has side effects. c++ programmers think this is a good thing. thats really all a sane person needs to know about c++ yeah im not a sane person though i use c++ for things more than never and consider it a reasonable decision although i feel like functional programming and machine learning are secretly a match made in heaven and im doing a bad job of looking for tings (probably because i have spent no time looking for things) wait actually all the c++ i do is numerics anyways. i soulhd be oding openLC or something.
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:ok heres how c++ works. copying a shared_ptr has side effects. c++ programmers think this is a good thing. thats really all a sane person needs to know about c++ meanwhile off in the land of completely obvious action garbage collection, c#/java programmers think it's a good idea for there to always be a nondeterministic process that can suspend your program at any time at least in c++ i can read the code for the side effects
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Stubbs posted:please run intellij with the -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC vm option run it w/ java 8
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Bloody posted:if i pass a pointer to a function or method or w/e c++ calls em do they get copied - smart pointers - copy constructors - rvalue references - std::move
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:please report to the terrible programmer safe zone if you use C++ but don't understand the following: what if i don't understand even a single one also i pmuch live in tpsz
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Bloody posted:what if i don't understand even a single one whatever works for you. just don't apply for any job description that mentions C++ without getting to know C++11 and 14. that reminds me, I wonder if Effective Modern C++ is out yet
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:that reminds me, I wonder if Effective Modern C++ is out yet Modern C++? i hear it's coming right after Water Minus Wet and Flying Pigs Made Simple
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:enjoy C++03, I guess but i use 11 features when they suit my c 
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:Javascript has crazy scoping beyond the understanding of mere mortals and it has no namespacing or anything so people just put as much as they can inside anonymous functions inside closures because it's the only way to keep things clean when you import every js library into your rails project That makes pretty good sense. Much in the way that describing psychosis makes sense, of course.
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