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JoelJoel posted:It's almost as though no one takes the threat of the ONDP challenging for power seriously. Wonder why.
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# ? Jun 2, 2014 15:06 |
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# ? Jun 9, 2024 19:59 |
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To no one's surprise, the Star has endorsed Wynne.
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# ? Jun 2, 2014 15:07 |
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vyelkin posted:So you know how we keep saying Tim Hudak's been cribbing his policies straight from the GOP? Turns out we were righter than we knew (heh). In what world is taking advise from some of the most unpopular political people in history consider a good idea.
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# ? Jun 2, 2014 16:05 |
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sbaldrick posted:In what world is taking advise from some of the most unpopular political people in history consider a good idea. Well they've been very successful in their country. They probably do have useful advice.
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# ? Jun 2, 2014 17:37 |
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Jimbozig posted:Well they've been very successful in their country. They probably do have useful advice. The history books will remember the sage advice Hudak got in a seance with Ronald Reagan that lead him to victory in the 2014 elections. I think in Ontario, there is a Progressive Conservative base that doesn't really go for the wacky Right. By continuing to push such a strong line Hudak is only going to divide supporters. FowlTheOwl fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jun 2, 2014 |
# ? Jun 2, 2014 17:56 |
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FowlTheOwl posted:The history books will remember the sage advice Hudak got in a seance with Ronald Reagan that lead him to victory in the 2014 elections. They've kept him as leader this long, and he's survived contention after the last election as well as the last few by-elections, so either the majority of the party genuinely likes him, or they have no faith in anyone else they have to lead them.
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# ? Jun 2, 2014 18:34 |
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FowlTheOwl posted:The history books will remember the sage advice Hudak got in a seance with Ronald Reagan that lead him to victory in the 2014 elections. He may be dividing supporters, but the majority of PC backers have nowhere else to go so they'll vote for him anyway. Meanwhile he's completely fired up the wacky right, the same way the Tea Party did in the US.
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# ? Jun 2, 2014 18:35 |
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Wynne really does seem to be banking on siphoning support from the NDP rather than from the Tories. Given how the ODNP have run their campaign so far it might very well work, although I think there's an equal danger that the ODNP voters just stay home while the right remains motivated and has a much higher turnout.
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# ? Jun 2, 2014 18:48 |
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We need to invent a camera that can trick Wynne into thinking the lens is actually 6-8 inches lower than it really is.
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# ? Jun 2, 2014 22:55 |
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So even the Sun is saying that the Liberals have a lead. http://www.torontosun.com/2014/06/02/libs-seven-points-ahead-of-tories-poll
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 02:19 |
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sbaldrick posted:So even the Sun is saying that the Liberals have a lead. iPolitics had a different view yesterday... one that I found really troubling. quote:Warmer weather brings signs of change to Ontario election
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 03:02 |
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ARE YOU READY FOR SOME or, alternatively HackensackBackpack fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Jun 3, 2014 |
# ? Jun 3, 2014 13:14 |
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Hudak looks loving ready in that poster.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 13:42 |
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Hudak looks like Jack Nicholson in Batman. Wait'll they get a load of me.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 13:51 |
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I think Wynne is about to do some sort of behind the back chokeslam on Horwath.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 14:13 |
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Wait'll they get a load of me. Tell me something, Ontario. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 14:16 |
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Already voted NDP. Too bad Wynne.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 19:46 |
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JohnnyCanuck posted:iPolitics had a different view yesterday... one that I found really troubling. http://www.ipolitics.ca/author/l-ian-macdonald/ I wouldn't bother with anything he writes. He's just "unskewing" the polls and trying to spin Wynne's gains into a negative. Now, the polls are still close enough that we have to be worried, but not because of what some old conservative hopefully imagines.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 19:46 |
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Jimbozig posted:http://www.ipolitics.ca/author/l-ian-macdonald/ He didn't say anything that hasn't been said here as well. The Liberals can have a tremendous lead in the polls, but it won't matter if 40 per cent of those who actually turn up to vote support the Conservatives.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 20:33 |
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St. Dogbert posted:He didn't say anything that hasn't been said here as well. The Liberals can have a tremendous lead in the polls, but it won't matter if 40 per cent of those who actually turn up to vote support the Conservatives. So look at the headlines he has written about the election and see if you can spot the pattern. Note that I'm not cherrypicking: these are all of the articles he has up on iPolitics about the election. "Wynne and the Liberals: Running on empty" "Hudak looks to go big; Wynne looks to stay home" "While Wynne was relaxing, an election was happening" "Andrea Horwath: the people’s choice and her party’s punching bag" "Warmer weather brings signs of change to Ontario election" Yes, we know that the conservatives have an advantage in likely voters and a disadvantage in terms of vote concentration. So is this guy taking an even view and talking about all the factors? Nope, he's just talking about the ones that help the PCs because he's a party shill. He was a speechwriter for Mulroney and then Mulroney gave him an embassy job in Washington. He played high school hockey with Jim Flaherty and was a lifelong friend of his. The guy is the farthest thing from unbiased. Jimbozig fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jun 3, 2014 |
# ? Jun 3, 2014 20:50 |
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I haven't got a voter card but the rest of my family has. loving bullshit!
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 21:52 |
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Jimbozig posted:So look at the headlines he has written about the election and see if you can spot the pattern. Note that I'm not cherrypicking: these are all of the articles he has up on iPolitics about the election. And applying a likely-voter model isn't "unskewing". That's idiotic. EKOS is going to shift to a likely-voter model for their next poll.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 22:11 |
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And the debate has started. Livestream here.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:32 |
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I'm pretty tired of hearing of gas plants. Or, at the very least, I don't want it to dominate this debate (it will).
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:37 |
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This does not seem like a good opening for Wynne.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:41 |
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Helsing posted:This does not seem like a good opening for Wynne. Well, when the very first question is about Liberal corruption...
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:41 |
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It is weird seeing Wynne looking at the camera all the time when responding to the other two. Are... they seriously going to talk about the gas plants for the entire debate?
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:42 |
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DutchDupe posted:Well, when the very first question is about Liberal corruption... Yeah and her response was to seemingly slam her own party repeatedly and emphasize how awful the gas plants scandal is. I don't really understand what her response to Horwath and Hudak is going to be when Wynne's first statement of the night was to acknowledge how horrible the gas plants scandal was.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:43 |
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Sovy Kurosei posted:It is weird seeing Wynne looking at the camera all the time when responding to the other two. Well, Wynne tried to talk about pensions. But then Horwath decided to just talk over her with gas plants, gas plants, gas plants.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:43 |
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AegisP posted:Well, Wynne tried to talk about pensions. But then Horwath decided to just talk over her with gas plants, gas plants, gas plants. Andrea did good multitasking there, I think she got the better of the pension exchange at the same time, Wynne never really defended the PRPPs. Hudak playing nice with Horwath is creepy as hell.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:47 |
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High hydro bills? Let me just tell you about gas plants...
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:48 |
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This debate is awesome. How did Tim Hudak ascend to this position of power? Jesus Christ
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:48 |
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Hudak...sounds so passionate...experienced...thoughtful...when he talks like this.
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:49 |
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MASSIVE INDUSTRIAL WINDFARMS BEING FORCED INTO YOUR COMMUNITIES
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:50 |
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MILLION JOBS PLAN
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:54 |
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Trees and Squids posted:MASSIVE INDUSTRIAL WINDFARMS BEING FORCED INTO YOUR COMMUNITIES A LANDSCAPE OF PINCUSHIONS
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:54 |
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Who are all these businesses who are gravely concerned about the government's balance sheet?
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# ? Jun 3, 2014 23:59 |
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Pinterest Mom posted:Who are all these businesses who are gravely concerned about the government's balance sheet? When I go to my local family restaurant for a nice dinner, they keep saying they would love to hire another server and cook but when they look at Ontario's deficit... This debate is horrible and I don't like any of these "leaders". I guess Horwath has a few decent zingers but that's about it.
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# ? Jun 4, 2014 00:00 |
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Woah, Tim Hudak just went full on televangelist. He knows in his heart that his plan is going to work.
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# ? Jun 4, 2014 00:05 |
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# ? Jun 9, 2024 19:59 |
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"NDP wants to reward job creators with tax credits." The overton window is so far to the right I can barely make it out with my peripheral vision.
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# ? Jun 4, 2014 00:07 |