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The Question IRL posted:Oh one minor thing that I don't think anyone will bring up. In a Quasar story years ago, Watchers all started dropping dead from this mystery disease. It later turned out that the virus wasn't biological, it was a theory based disease. (Essentially the Watchers started realizing that the act of Watching changes an event. So by Watching they were interfering. As a result Watchers entered into a paradox loop and started killing themselves.) While we're talking about things that won't be mentioned, Uatu was present when Galactus became Galactus. He assisted the Fantastic Four because he felt guilty over not stopping Galactus when he had the chance. Of course this was before Galactus got his new origin.
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I have been pretty behind tbe concept of someone murdering the watcher from the start but the 'secrets will be revealed' part I'm still skeptical about. So far its turning out great and thanks to Hickman Cap learning about his mindwipe has been a lot less "Civil War" than I expected.
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May 30, 2014 07:35
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I feel like Original Sin also benefits from not just being another OH GOD, HERE COMES THE BIG NEW ENEMY WE'VE NEVER REALLY HINTED AT BEFORE BUT OH MAN ARE THEY A DOOZY event like Fear Itself.
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May 30, 2014 13:39
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Someone remembered a panel from an old Bendis book that kind of foreshadowed today's events. http://imgur.com/M7EpMOp
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I know people were joking about the comparrisons to Identity Crisis but I don't know how I feel about this book after the last few pages. Other than 
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Having to wait until 9am for digital is bullshit I want this poo poo now.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Having to wait until 9am for digital is bullshit I want this poo poo now. It went up earlier on the website than the app, that's how I read it. Also, I'm now confident Fury's an LMD, and Mysterious Boss is Real Fury.
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Jun 4, 2014 14:13
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Yeah this whole thing HAS to be a misdirect.
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Jun 4, 2014 14:20
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Never mind its now working
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Jun 4, 2014 15:23
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I'm trying to imagine the conversation leading up to this and it's amazing. "Hey guys! Winter Soldier is incredibly popular with fans of the movies after Cap 2. How do we capitalise on this?" "Let's put him in Original Sin and have him kill the watcher and hack Nick Fury's head off with a machete!" "loving genius!" Goddamn I love this lovely stupid event. 
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Jun 4, 2014 15:25
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We don't know FOR SURE that Bucky pulled the trigger on the Watcher. Yet.
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Genetic Toaster posted:I'm trying to imagine the conversation leading up to this and it's amazing. There is no way that he did kill the watcher, and they hinted that this Fury is a LMD. He was near the eye and had no secrets revealed. Also him telling Gamara and Moon Knight exactly how it went down
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Waterhaul posted:I know people were joking about the comparrisons to Identity Crisis but I don't know how I feel about this book after the last few pages. Other than ...that could have some really gross implications, care to qualify?
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Jun 4, 2014 16:00
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Dan Didio posted:...that could have some really gross implications, care to qualify? Nah it's not rape or anything. Just the overly graphic violence part. A hero "turned evil", murder mystery and overly graphic violence all rolled into one.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:09
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Well holy poo poo I did NOT see that coming. I'm guessing this Nick was a LMD and the REAL Nick (and other LMDs) we're the killer and have the other eye
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Jun 4, 2014 16:21
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bobkatt013 posted:There is no way that he did kill the watcher, and they hinted that this Fury is a LMD. He was near the eye and had no secrets revealed. Also him telling Gamora and Moon Knight exactly how it went down He was piecing it together with them. He didn't do it, but now he knows who did.
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Senor Candle posted:He was piecing it together with them. He didn't do it, but now he knows who did. I know I quoted someone who said that he did do it. I assume the last page was done in order to get him in a secret bunker.
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bobkatt013 posted:I know I quoted someone who said that he did do it. I assume the last page was done in order to get him in a secret bunker. Oh yeah sorry, I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just adding on.
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Gavok posted:I can see why people are predicting Fury, but I can't help but shake the gut feeling that it's Bucky. He's got the skills to pull it off and I feel that he's about done as a hero in the publication sense. His solo run fizzled out and all he really has going for him is a team comic that isn't exactly setting the world on fire. He doesn't have much going on, so you might as well make him a bad guy. Well done Gavok. You successfully predicted this way back on the 9th of May. OR did you just access the information from the Watcher's Eyeball when you stole it? Prediction: Gavok is the real killer.
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There's almost no way Bucky's the killer on purpose, UNLESS Old Fury's been programming him to do this for decades. Most of the monsters that've gotten gamma-irradiated bullets to the head died way before the Winter Soldier arc, while he was still working for the Soviets. My guess: Yeah, Bucky's definitely a major character in this -- there's a reason they brought up the story of him butchering that cow in #1. But I still think Old Fury is the actual behind-the-scenes villain; look at the way Mysterious Boss is drawn in #3, with a huge-rear end shadow over his eye. I think that the Fury we've been seeing all of this event is an LMD, hence why he didn't see anything when the Watcher's eye went off. I reread the issues so far, though, and they don't mention life model decoys even once, so it feels like that might be playing a bit unfair. At the same time, though, there's an argument to be made that Fury and LMDs are about as linked as, like, Iron Man and repulsors; you don't have to explain them. Still, at least to me it makes the most sense that Old Fury's been behind all of this and is trying to get himself exposed for some reason. It seemed like Bucky figured out who was behind poo poo while he was on that dead planet and got pissed off and went to ice the Fury LMD, but the question is WHY -- what did he just figure out? Did he remember being forced to do it all of a sudden? This event rules.
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Jun 4, 2014 18:26
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I think the real question is WHAT DID HE SEE
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Jun 4, 2014 18:32
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I'm also leaning towards the Old Fury = Mysterious Boss theory. It also seemed to me like the other person who was talking to him in those panels was wearing the classic Punisher costume, which makes me wonder if Fury's not only using LMD's of himself but other heroes in some fashion?
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Jun 4, 2014 18:33
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MagnesiumB posted:I'm also leaning towards the Old Fury = Mysterious Boss theory. It also seemed to me like the other person who was talking to him in those panels was wearing the classic Punisher costume, which makes me wonder if Fury's not only using LMD's of himself but other heroes in some fashion? That didn't look like the classic Punisher costume to me, it looked like the classic SHIELD outfit.
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Yeah plus I can't really buy Bucky to be the type to just one day just fly int space and use a machine to kill Ego's cousin. While he not at fault, I wouldn't be surprised his brain washing has another layer that the mysterious party has been using all these years without him knowing.
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Rirse posted:Yeah plus I can't really buy Bucky to be the type to just one day just fly int space and use a machine to kill Ego's cousin. While he not at fault, I wouldn't be surprised his brain washing has another layer that the mysterious party has been using all these years without him knowing. I do not think he is involved at all, since it would mean that Russia was involved and he was frozen during the time that he was practicing.
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The Question IRL posted:Prediction: Gavok is the real killer. That's insane! Why would I kill Uatu?! I love Uatu! ...now to host my own alternate reality comic series.
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Jun 4, 2014 19:09
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Gavok posted:That's insane! Why would I kill Uatu?! I love Uatu! First you kill Uatu, then you kill Bendis, then you get your own alternate reality comic series!
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Jun 4, 2014 19:11
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Gavok posted:That's insane! Why would I kill Uatu?! I love Uatu! So you are going to make this page a reality? http://4thletter.net/2007/03/the-top-100-what-if-countdown-the-finale/
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So there's another limited series called Original SINS? I'll probably grab the Thor and Loki limited as well. Do LMDs have blood? It seemed that Fully Headless Nick was bleeding and such when Bucky gave him a machete party.
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twistedmentat posted:So there's another limited series called Original SINS? I'll probably grab the Thor and Loki limited as well. Depends on how advanced they are. In Secret Warriors they had basically clones that could pass for the real one.
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Even the LMD's that are piloted from inside the chest could bleed. Maybe that will be the opening pages of #4, someone surprising Bucky by climbing out of Fury's chest.
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twistedmentat posted:So there's another limited series called Original SINS? I'll probably grab the Thor and Loki limited as well. Yes, I think it's an anthology book. Maybe 3 stories per issue? All I really know is Chip Zdarsky is writing/drawing one of them and I need it.
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While I'm in the camp that the Fury that died was an LMD and the real Fury is the one behind it all, is there anyone else that that mysterious benefactor could even be? Oldish guy with short, gray hair is a pretty narrow mystery, even if they do shadow his face. I can't unsee the classic Punisher costume now with the other guy. Also, if Fury couldn't see any secrets because he's an LMD, then the Deadpool editor hosed up.
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Jun 4, 2014 21:47
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Another reason for the LMD theory is that Fury specifically says "Why didn't I see anything?". I'm not an expert on LMD, but maybe they aren't affected? Like how a robot wouldn't be affected.
OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Jun 4, 2014 21:54
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Gavok posted:Also, if Fury couldn't see any secrets because he's an LMD, then the Deadpool editor hosed up. I wouldn't say that. Preston is an LMD, but it's also an LMD that contains her soul.
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Senor Candle posted:Yes, I think it's an anthology book. Maybe 3 stories per issue? All I really know is Chip Zdarsky is writing/drawing one of them and I need it. I'm going to assume the the characters on the cover will feature in the stories. Want to find out what JJJ and Kamala are doing there.
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I'm in the Mysterious Boss = Fury camp too. And he's probably the killer too as in the first issue, when Black Panther asks him if this will lead to the killer, he kind of deflects the question and says it will lead to answers. He basically wants the unseen, the original sin to be exposed and was willing to kill the Watcher to do it. I'm not sure the original sin is Fury's though as he describes it as a trail he's been following for a very long time. And yeah, it's pretty obvious that when they set out to investigate the dead planet, Bucky wasn't duplicitous. He remembers the murder on the spot. I remember the excitement around these parts when Identity Crisis was being published, I hope this won't fizzle in the same way. I love a good mystery.
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Waterhaul posted:Nah it's not rape or anything. Just the overly graphic violence part. A hero "turned evil", murder mystery and overly graphic violence all rolled into one. Man, if you think that's overly graphic violence then you must not be reading Invincible.
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Flameingblack posted:Someone remembered a panel from an old Bendis book that kind of foreshadowed today's events. Huh, seeing as how that was set before Fear Itself, I figured it'd just be referencing Bucky's non-death there, but I guess this recent turn would explain everybody in the future hating him. Also yeah, Fury's totally an LMD and Real Nick's the mastermind. Comedy option though: The now-dead Fury was the real one and he just didn't see anything when the eye-bomb went off because he's been playing puppetmaster in 616 so long he didn't really have anything left to uncover. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jun 5, 2014 |
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Also, Fury being an LMD explains why Bucky would take his head along with the Eye -- he probably wants to hit the memory banks. My guess is that we're going to end up seeing the Watcher-killer's side of things more sympathetically as they go for an Edward Snowden greater-good thing. Marvel loves their metaphors for current events. Edit: It's legitimately crazy to me that we're ten years in and at this point so used to Bucky being around in the MU all the time, just talking about him in a major event book because nobody's even waiting for him to die off again anymore. We all know he's gonna end up still being around and a hero because he was just in an insanely popular major movie. There's no way they're gonna make him a villain now; this is just him taking on a major proactive role in the series. Nobody's going to be pissed at him for offing an LMD. d00gZ fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jun 5, 2014 |
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