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Let's not forget that Chuck Klosterman wrote 10k words on KISS on that website
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Jun 4, 2014 13:33
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Just gonna drop this paragraph from the TCU story in here to make everyone cringe: "Look at Buddy Dike, number 38, just behind old Abe. He's the Frogs' starting fullback and inside linebacker, and he's just gotten a good look at Jim Brown's 46-inch chest and 32-inch waist in warmups. Doctors advised Buddy never to play football again after he ruptured a kidney tackling another phenom of the era, Penn State's Lenny Moore, two years earlier. The kidney healed and hemorrhaged four more times, doubling Buddy over with pain, making blood gush out his urethra, bringing him within a whisker of bleeding to death, yet here he is, with a look on his face that might not be seen again until the day he loses his 18-year-old son in a car wreck." Anyone who has ever experienced a kidney stone probably realizes this pain.
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Jun 4, 2014 14:09
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Groucho Marxist posted:Let's not forget that Chuck Klosterman wrote 10k words on KISS on that website Patrick Bateman made a better case for Huey Lewis and the News in one brief movie scene than Klosterman did in 10K words about KISS. Wesley Morris's movie reviews are pretty good, though.
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Jun 4, 2014 14:17
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I used to really like Hyden until I read his Grantland review of Damon Albarn's solo album. Wherein he stated that it was the first time he had ever listened to anything Albarn had ever done, because he was an Oasis fan in high school. I don't expect you to give up personal biases when you become a writer, and he admitted his bias was dumb and unfounded... but you've got to be loving kidding me. He's been a professional music/rock critic for 10+ years and hasn't ever listened to a single Blur or Gorillaz song? How loving thickheaded can you be to not only willingly do that, but admit it as well? It just annihilated all of his credibility to me.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:10
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Blast Fantasto posted:I used to really like Hyden until I read his Grantland review of Damon Albarn's solo album. Wherein he stated that it was the first time he had ever listened to anything Albarn had ever done, because he was an Oasis fan in high school.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:16
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Blast Fantasto posted:I used to really like Hyden until I read his Grantland review of Damon Albarn's solo album. Wherein he stated that it was the first time he had ever listened to anything Albarn had ever done, because he was an Oasis fan in high school. He agrees with you that it was dumb so I don't get what you're angry about. And just because you review stuff doesn't mean you listen to literally every single thing that's been released. The dumber thing is that he is writing about Damon Albarn in 2014.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:19
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MourningView posted:He agrees with you that it was dumb so I don't get what you're angry about. And just because you review stuff doesn't mean you listen to literally every single thing that's been released. There's a difference between not reviewing every single thing and deliberate avoiding every thing an artist touches because of some made up grudge. Particularly when some of that stuff (Gorillaz) had a significant impact on pop/rock music during the time in which you were a paid music critic. It's not like he was like "Welp, I just don't have the time to listen to these popular, important albums." Robert Christgau isn't the end-all of rock critics, but he certainly listened to a lot of garbage he hated for the sake of reviewing it.
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Jun 4, 2014 16:29
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MourningView posted:He agrees with you that it was dumb so I don't get what you're angry about. And just because you review stuff doesn't mean you listen to literally every single thing that's been released. Not really, the album was critically well received and had a fair bit of anticipation amongst Blur and Gorillaz fans.
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Jun 4, 2014 17:40
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I seriously doubt Hyden had never listened to Gorillaz and it was probably just another one of those failed frat-humor type things Grantland does far too often where they try to play the "wink wink I'm one of you" card. Simmons is terrible with that poo poo and it influences other stuff on there too. I couldn't care less about Hyden and I rarely read his work but I can't say it's ever come off as anything more than simply uninteresting for me.
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Jun 4, 2014 20:50
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This is not sports journalism in the slightest but presumably he has heard the same Gorillaz songs everyone else has heard, he just didn't dive deep into their albums and let someone else at wherever he was reviewing albums handle that. Which seems fine because the Gorillaz are super boring aside from the dumb cartoon gimmick.
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Jun 4, 2014 20:54
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sportsgenius86 posted:I seriously doubt Hyden had never listened to Gorillaz and it was probably just another one of those failed frat-humor type things Grantland does far too often where they try to play the "wink wink I'm one of you" card. Simmons is terrible with that poo poo and it influences other stuff on there too. Yeah. Steve Hyden definitely looks like the type of guy who was a major frat bro. Keep in mind he wrote at the avclub for years covering television and film as well. A lot of you guys seem very confused about Grantland and its place on the internet. It is ostensibly a spin off from Page 2 and the ESPN mother ship but its pretty much operating on its own. It has its own offices in Downtown Los Angeles. They have two distinct but occasionally intertwining factions within Grantland. Sports and Pop Culture. Grantland has a pretty solid stable of young and more experienced writers. You don't want pop culture stuff? Click 'The Triangle'. You only want pop culture? Click Hollywood Prospectus. Just my opinion but they have some of the strongest writing about pop culture on the internet. Granted the bar is not particularly high but they do a good job. They have some great sports writers. Sure, Lowe and Barnwall are prickly but they write some good poo poo that tries to cut through a lot of the jabber that most other sports writers employ. It's not perfect. But I go there every day and listen to their podcasts. And ever since most of the writers of the AVCLUB jetted to create The Dissolve, Grantland in my opinion probably has the best overall pop culture musings of any major website out there. I'll also defend Hyden as a pretty good writer. I like Klosterman too. He's somewhat hit and miss but I appreciate that he brings in a different view point at times, seems to genuinely love college football, and will challenge Simmons when he appears on the podcast when Simmons says things that are untrue. Also while I don't read everything they put up, I love seeing the comments on certain articles. I like when they explicitly state this is a troll article up top like when Hyden wrote how he loves the Packers and talked poo poo about the Bears and yet everyone in the comments was screaming how biased it was. Or when any woman on staff writes a pop culture piece, which is what they cover, and someone complains about how "some dumb woman is writing about some stupid show. Get back to sports Grantland!" Completely exposing how stupid they are. soggybagel fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Jun 4, 2014 21:00
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I'm not going to claim that it's against the rules to defend Chuck Klosterman's writing anywhere on SA, let alone the sports forum of all places, but I am going to claim that it should be
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Crion posted:I'm not going to claim that it's against the rules to defend Chuck Klosterman's writing anywhere on SA, let alone the sports forum of all places, but I am going to claim that it should be When he had Kirk Herbstreit on and he asked him about concussions it was funny how Klosterman pushed him when Herbstreit tried to dance around the question. Also I loved this article: http://grantland.com/features/taking-concert-doubleheader-creed-nickelback-world-most-hated-bands/
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Jun 4, 2014 21:24
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Klosterman is the Rick Reilly of music journalism. Depending on any given week, it's somewhat to extremely blatant he's been coasting since he got mainstream recognition and has devolved stylistically into self-parody. This is something of a disservice to Reilly, though, given that he was actually an excellent writer many moons ago.
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Jun 4, 2014 22:17
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Groucho Marxist posted:Let's not forget that Chuck Klosterman wrote 10k words on KISS on that website He's the loving worst http://nypress.com/the-flip-flop-king/ Here's a really great evisceration by Mark Ames. quote:Klosterman’s soggybagel posted:They have two distinct but occasionally intertwining factions within Grantland. Sports and Pop Culture. Grantland has a pretty solid stable of young and more experienced writers. You don't want pop culture stuff? Click 'The Triangle'. You only want pop culture? Click Hollywood Prospectus. Just my opinion but they have some of the strongest writing about pop culture on the internet. Granted the bar is not particularly high but they do a good job. Aside from not using terrible puns, tell me why anything they write about pop culture rises above the level of Entertainment Weekly pap. And the wrestling guy doesn't count, because wrestling is real. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Jun 4, 2014 22:35
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I love Wesley Morris' stuff, but that's about it as far as the pop culture section. I do think it's amazing how many words Andy Greenwald can write without actually saying anything, though.
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Jun 4, 2014 22:45
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morestuff posted:I love Wesley Morris' stuff, but that's about it as far as the pop culture section. I do think it's amazing how many words Andy Greenwald can write without actually saying anything, though. He writes hella food metaphors. Anyway in terms of pop culture stuff, Alex Pappademas is also generally really good. MourningView fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Jun 4, 2014 22:57
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Mark Ames seems awfully angry. I don't know. Maybe I self identify with Klosterman a bit more than I should. His so called hick posturing rings true to me. I spent the early part of my life in small town middle America in a farming community. His statements to that regard ring awfully true and funny. He himself has admitted that things he wrote earlier on and even today are foolish. But I don't really know what you want me to say here about him. I like his writing. I can't really defend or counter someones opinion when it boils down to "He is the worst" other than I disagree. People's largest criticism against him is always he is intentionally picking view points that will conflict with the popular opinion, so gently caress him. I don't believe that to be true. He largely believes in the populism of mass culture. He wrote as a rock critic for a long time and I think something that I always viewed as refreshing is that he was self aware to realize this: http://www.theonion.com/articles/history-of-rock-written-by-the-losers,736/ Though I see humor in Ames closing lines. Time makes things look funny. Stay safe in the realm of the real. Moscow. The populism comes down to, if you were growing up and Bon Jovi was the soundtrack to your youth, it doesn't make your time, nostalgia, and youthful memories any less significant because it was soundtracked to Bon Jovi than if you were a brooding teen listening to The Smiths. And to wrap this into sports, Klosterman brings a pretty straightforward view of fandom. In fact if he was posting on these boards he'd fit right in. So I guess that's my defense. I don't feel strongly enough to get upset if someone hates him. Just don't read it I guess. In regards to the pop culture coverage at large. It's largely throw-away, but so is the nature of a lot of it now. Especially in the recap world. I think their show recaps are serviceable. I appreciate they have several younger women as editors/staff writers and really, I don't mind trash culture nearly as much as some of you so its fun to listen to/read recaps of The Challenge. I skim the pop culture stuff every day. And yeah MourningView is right. Pappademas is a pretty good writer. Even something as garish and strange as Paul Walker's death turned into a fascinating article. One guy I've never understood is Rembert Browne. He's on the grantland payroll and ostensibly gets to just travel and put together 200 word articles that mean nothing. I guess I don't understand people's anger and aversion to Grantland. IF you hate it so much don't loving go. Me, I like it. I think my daily internet reading routine is better than when Grantland didn't exist. That's just me.
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WEREWAIF posted:He's the loving worst mark ames hating klosterman makes me more inclined to like klosterman also list of journalists mark ames doesn't hate:
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soggybagel posted:Mark Ames seems awfully angry. I don't know. Maybe I self identify with Klosterman a bit more than I should. His so called hick posturing rings true to me. I spent the early part of my life in small town middle America in a farming community. His statements to that regard ring awfully true and funny. He himself has admitted that things he wrote earlier on and even today are foolish. But I don't really know what you want me to say here about him. I like his writing. I can't really defend or counter someones opinion when it boils down to "He is the worst" other than I disagree. People's largest criticism against him is always he is intentionally picking view points that will conflict with the popular opinion, so gently caress him. I don't believe that to be true. He largely believes in the populism of mass culture. He wrote as a rock critic for a long time and I think something that I always viewed as refreshing is that he was self aware to realize this: http://www.theonion.com/articles/history-of-rock-written-by-the-losers,736/ soggybagel why do you write so many words about middling journalism
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Declan MacManus posted:soggybagel why do you write so many words about middling journalism Generally you pay for print ad copy by the word
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morestuff posted:I love Wesley Morris' stuff, but that's about it as far as the pop culture section. I do think it's amazing how many words Andy Greenwald can write without actually saying anything, though.
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Declan MacManus posted:soggybagel why do you write so many words about middling journalism Why not? It took five minutes. Or is this the classic, ask a question, get an answer, respond by suggesting the person who responded needs to "get a life" or "lighten up."
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Jun 4, 2014 23:52
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Grantland's reality tv coverage is good, Zach Lowe is good.
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Jun 4, 2014 23:52
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MourningView posted:He writes hella food metaphors. Yeah, Pappademas is pretty good, as is their podcast. Morris sounds distractingly like Paul F Tompkins, though.
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Alex Pappademas is pretty good, I agree. Although his writing is good no matter what it's about.Zamboni Jesus posted:mark ames hating klosterman makes me more inclined to like klosterman He hates hacks and shills? Are you a fan of Matt Yglesias, out for revenge? I don't want to derail anymore since this isn't about sports, but it's all laid out here. http://shameproject.com/ Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jun 4, 2014 |
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Jun 4, 2014 23:54
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MourningView posted:This is not sports journalism in the slightest but presumably he has heard the same Gorillaz songs everyone else has heard, he just didn't dive deep into their albums and let someone else at wherever he was reviewing albums handle that. Which seems fine because the Gorillaz are super boring aside from the dumb cartoon gimmick.
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I do not especially like Klosterman as a writer (I do generally enjoy him as a podcast guest), but that Ames thing everyone quotes when he comes up is way more irritating than just about anything Klosterman has ever written.
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Jun 4, 2014 23:58
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Would it make you feel better if I just said that Chuck Klosterman's writing makes me feel like he's jerking off his hairy weenie onto the retina screen of my iphone? And the worst part of this jerk is that he's jerking about some mass culture thing that he's pretending has special value and is precious to him. I think it's a duty to oppose that sort of blandness, if we don't it'll wash over us, and we'll all be 40 year old men wearing rock band tees, formless jeans, no belt, and converse sneakers. We'll have permanently stuffy noses, even though we're old enough to buy cold and cough products containing dxm, which could easily unstuff our noses. It's no good man, it's bad, to me it's bad.
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I don't think he's very good and generally find his whole "blandly lovely pop culture thing from my youth was actually great and you're snobby and wrong for hating it" thing to be pretty tiresome. I just think spending like four paragraphs literally calling him a butthole is probably a not great way to go about making that point.
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Jun 5, 2014 00:07
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morestuff posted:I do think it's amazing how many words Andy Greenwald can write without actually saying anything, though. I think I could tolerate Greenwald if there was a Chrome extension that automatically removed the cutesy wordplay/analogies/etc from his articles, which would all be like 1/3rd as long as a result
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MourningView posted:I don't think he's very good and generally find his whole "blandly lovely pop culture thing from my youth was actually great and you're snobby and wrong for hating it" thing to be pretty tiresome.
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WEREWAIF posted:He hates hacks and shills? Are you a fan of Matt Yglesias, out for revenge? So the goal of SHAME seems to be "We hate everyone."
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Jun 5, 2014 01:37
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Why are we talking about all this Grantland poo poo when we could be talking about Jon Bois' latest installment of NBA Y2K, "Death of the NBA"? It's a loving work of art.
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Frackie Robinson posted:Why are we talking about all this Grantland poo poo when we could be talking about Jon Bois' latest installment of NBA Y2K, "Death of the NBA"? It's a loving work of art. All is lost.
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soggybagel posted:So the goal of SHAME seems to be "We hate everyone." If you don't hate everyone, you're loving doing it wrong.
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Frackie Robinson posted:Why are we talking about all this Grantland poo poo when we could be talking about Jon Bois' latest installment of NBA Y2K, "Death of the NBA"? It's a loving work of art. It is the best thing I've read this year.
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