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Any good character planners out there yet? Looks like Mugenmonkeys' is still in progress.
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Just as an aside, Borderlands 2 was not a very good game. 
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Jun 5, 2014 00:53
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RBA Starblade posted:Dark Orb's a useful staple for killing smaller enemies. It's stronger than heavy soul arrow/great heavy soul arrow if you have a dark staff/chime. And with the nerf GRS is only 50% stronger than it now anyway. Pretty sure he's talking about PvP, the buff stacking build isn't really viable PvE. Genocyber posted:Resonant Weapon is not better than DW. It lasts less time, requires more Att, has less casts, and barely does any more damage. Huh? It still gets me 30-40 more damage than DW on my dark claymore, it has 2 casts which is all you'll ever need in PvP and you'll still kill most people before it runs out especially with the longer buff times now.
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Jun 5, 2014 00:54
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armoredgorilla posted:Any good character planners out there yet? Looks like Mugenmonkeys' is still in progress.
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Jun 5, 2014 00:55
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Domattee posted:Pretty sure he's talking about PvP, the buff stacking build isn't really viable PvE. 30-40 damage on a greatsword, which is a pretty hard hitting weapon, isn't very much. Anyone smart will just wait for your buff to wear out, and the soul cost is very annoying if you want to use other soul cost hexes or to just buy poo poo or level.
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Jun 5, 2014 00:55
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neetengie posted:There is this one that is functional, I don't like it as much as MugenMonkey but hey, take what you can get, right? Thanks I'll give it a look
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Jun 5, 2014 00:56
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Genocyber posted:30-40 damage on a greatsword, which is a pretty hard hitting weapon, isn't very much. Anyone smart will just wait for your buff to wear out, and the soul cost is very annoying if you want to use other soul cost hexes or to just buy poo poo or level. 30-40 damage becomes more than it seems once you are actually hitting dudes due to how resistances work. And if you can't stop them from running resonant out you can't stop them from running DW out either. The soul cost is annoying but completely irrelevant at SL156. e: it's a 10-15% damage gain for the cost of an additional attunement slot, as well as a bunch of (mostly) irrelevant inconveniences. Domattee fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jun 5, 2014 |
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Jun 5, 2014 00:59
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f#a# posted:Still holding out hope that this piece of concept art is reflected in the DLC. Sunken King seems to be a good fit for it: Poor building-size spider bosses, they always get cut  Shadow of the Colossus concept: 
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Jun 5, 2014 01:15
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You can message me saying that it’s unfair all you want, but it doesn’t matter because that’s just the way it is, it’s just the way of The Rat, and that will never change because you don’t change The Rat, The Rat changes you.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:26
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Rat team is the single PvP covenant that puts you at risk and not the people you fight, who have absolutely nothing to lose. You cannot possibly complain about the rat team.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:31
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Gestalt Intellect posted:Rat team is the single PvP covenant that puts you at risk and not the people you fight, who have absolutely nothing to lose. You cannot possibly complain about the rat team. Also all I do is turn myself into a vase and hide from the other guy while they frantically fight off a dwarf army so
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Jun 5, 2014 01:35
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Gestalt Intellect posted:Rat team is the single PvP covenant that puts you at risk and not the people you fight, who have absolutely nothing to lose. You cannot possibly complain about the rat team. It sure is fun being drawn out of your game to a fight you basically can't win.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:39
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King of Solomon posted:It sure is fun being drawn out of your game to a fight you basically can't win.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:41
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King of Solomon posted:It sure is fun being drawn out of your game to a fight you basically can't win. This would have merit if ratbro areas were progress, but both of them are completely optional. If you don't want to play with ratbros than don't go to rat land.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:41
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King of Solomon posted:It sure is fun being drawn out of your game to a fight you basically can't win. I'd rather have a little of my time wasted than a human effigy/bloodstain be lost forever.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:42
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King of Solomon posted:It sure is fun being drawn out of your game to a fight you basically can't win. Cool defeatist attitude bro. You lose nothing but time. You don't even need to fight the Ratbro. You can just run right to the exit and you get a prize! Yay!
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Jun 5, 2014 01:43
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King of Solomon posted:It sure is fun being drawn out of your game to a fight you basically can't win. That's a lie. I got my rear end beat on by a guy who showed up as Altair with only a pyromancy glove. He rolled through most of my casts, killed the mastodon and the dog, and finally caught me with a combustion once I got frustrated and stopped trying to fire things at him.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:44
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You can also just black crystal out if you really don't want to deal with anything. At most, you'd lose a minute or so from loading screens.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:44
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Also if you really, truly hate playing with others that much you can just unplug your internet.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:44
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Stokes posted:Cool defeatist attitude bro. You lose nothing but time. You don't even need to fight the Ratbro. You can just run right to the exit and you get a prize! Yay! Yes, you lose time. Considering the situation is hilariously imbalanced against you (good luck escaping against a properly prepared ratbro), that waste of time is really annoying. The only saving grace to that poo poo is that it is optional.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:45
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A challenge? in Dark souls? 
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Jun 5, 2014 01:47
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I spent an hour exploring the Doors of Pharros and only got summoned once. I'm jealous of anyone who got summoned enough times to find it annoying.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:47
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:A challenge? in Dark souls? gently caress off. I'm not saying it shouldn't be in the game. It's just kinda annoying to deal with on the other side, not something that quote:You cannot possibly complain about the rat team.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:50
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King of Solomon posted:Yes, you lose time. Considering the situation is hilariously imbalanced against you (good luck escaping against a properly prepared ratbro), that waste of time is really annoying. Come on guy, of all the pvp covenants in Dark Souls 2 the one you're complaining about ruining your good time is the Rat Covenant? The one that puts the entire burden on the summoner and not the summoned? Even the Brotherhood of Blood, which eats red orbs and shits bluecop misery for the invader, has more effect on the person being attacked than the Rat Covenant. Cowcaster fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jun 5, 2014 |
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Jun 5, 2014 01:51
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Cowcaster posted:Come on guy, of all the pvp covenants in Dark Souls 2 the one you're complaining about ruining your good time is the Rat Covenant? The one that puts the entire burden on the summoner and not the summoned? It's the least fun covenant to engage with, so yes? I actually like most of the other PvP covenants. I think the Red/Blue covenants could be managed better, but they're fun.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:51
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Regy Rusty posted:I spent an hour exploring the Doors of Pharros and only got summoned once. I'm jealous of anyone who got summoned enough times to find it annoying. I'm without internet right now and it's so lonely in Pharros with only these Mastadons and Gnome dudes. Rat covenant is my favorite covenant and chameleoning around as a rat never gets old.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:53
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Rat Covenent is at its best when they actually are being sneaky and fun and interesting, letting the players go through the traps and learning how they work instead of sitting there raining lightning spears or avelyn bolts down from safety while they fight off a mastodon. I guess some people just want their Rat Tails so they can be done with it all.
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Jun 5, 2014 01:55
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Stick Figure Mafia posted:I'm without internet right now and it's so lonely in Pharros with only these Mastadons and Gnome dudes. Yeah, the rats are basically the most interesting+fun covenant in DkS2. I just wish they could get ALL the covenants working and not broken in a souls game sometime. (I do kind of wish the rat didn't have to use up pharros stones to use the traps)
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Jun 5, 2014 01:57
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Invaded in a Dark Chasm? No problem. Ganged up by Bellbros and black phantoms? Sure thing. Getting summoned to either die and lose nothing or ruin a Ratbro's day? gently caress that poo poo.
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Jun 5, 2014 02:00
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Cowcaster posted:Come on guy, of all the pvp covenants in Dark Souls 2 the one you're complaining about ruining your good time is the Rat Covenant? The one that puts the entire burden on the summoner and not the summoned? Even the Brotherhood of Blood, which eats red orbs and shits bluecop misery for the invader has less at stake than the Rat Covenant. Not really. When you're a ratbro you have all the enemies on your side making it very easy to win. Compared to invading where you could be up against a gank squad. It's still dumb to complain about being summoned by a ratbro since 99% of the time you can just run past everything and book it to the fog door. Ratbros are probably the worst at PVP.
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Jun 5, 2014 02:00
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King of Solomon posted:Yes, you lose time. Considering the situation is hilariously imbalanced against you (good luck escaping against a properly prepared ratbro), that waste of time is really annoying. They're in optional areas (far more optional even than the belfries which have some spells/bastille key/etc) and literally every single other PvP covenant doesn't invite you to their world for completely no risk, they just come into your world uninvited and kill you. Which loses you time and progress--they're infinitely more dickish. You can use estus in the rat world and you don't even have to kill the world master to win: you have 2 ways to win when they only have 1. You lose no progress through the areas, which are so short that you can complete them in the time it takes for a single invasion timer to wear off. You also get an item for winning, while winning against any other covenant just gives you a pat on the back and lets you get back to dying to the enemies instead of to a player. (Dargons excepted but you choose to participate with them.) If you were complaining about PvP/invasions in general then yeah, all of them gently caress you over for no reason and it's a headache if you just want to play a singleplayer game, but out of all the covenants there is literally not a single thing the rat team does to you that the other covenants don't do much worse.
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Jun 5, 2014 02:01
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Not to mention that you can ignore brodents all together after joining the covenant.
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Jun 5, 2014 02:05
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Gestalt Intellect posted:They're in optional areas (far more optional even than the belfries which have some spells/bastille key/etc) Getting the ability to barf toxic everywhere is NOT optional.
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Jun 5, 2014 02:07
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Gestalt Intellect posted:If you were complaining about PvP/invasions in general then yeah, all of them gently caress you over for no reason and it's a headache if you just want to play a singleplayer game, but out of all the covenants there is literally not a single thing the rat team does to you that the other covenants don't do much worse. If you want to play a singleplayer game then go offline. Lambasting PVP in general but exception one of the covenants is really loving stupid. You seem like the guy that gets killed then sends hatemail because dying to a player is somehow different to dying to a PVE enemy.
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Jun 5, 2014 02:11
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Ratbros are probably the worst at PvP. I was only invaded once I think in any of the rat areas (when I first stepped into Grave of Saints) and I thought the guy was some random zombie and my game minimized and then I two shot him and he ran like a baby and I crushed him. Bellbros can gently caress off though but it's cool since the areas are so short.
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Jun 5, 2014 02:14
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So..did patch notes ever actually come out for the recent patch? I would have liked to see all the changes made summed up. I know pretty much all the ~top tier~ stuff (hexes, santier's spear, etc.) got nerfed hard but was there anything else to the patch?
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Jun 5, 2014 02:26
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I got summoned to a ratbro once named Dark Edgey Guy who used two manikin claws buffed with dark pine resin and he spread me evenly all over the walls. I appreciated how he stuck to his theme!Lets! Get! Weird! posted:Ratbros are probably the worst at PvP. I was only invaded once Not a very extensive sample size!
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Jun 5, 2014 02:36
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It's 100 percent though.
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Gestalt Intellect posted:They're in optional areas (far more optional even than the belfries which have some spells/bastille key/etc) and literally every single other PvP covenant doesn't invite you to their world for completely no risk, they just come into your world uninvited and kill you. Which loses you time and progress--they're infinitely more dickish. You can use estus in the rat world and you don't even have to kill the world master to win: you have 2 ways to win when they only have 1. You lose no progress through the areas, which are so short that you can complete them in the time it takes for a single invasion timer to wear off. You also get an item for winning, while winning against any other covenant just gives you a pat on the back and lets you get back to dying to the enemies instead of to a player. (Dargons excepted but you choose to participate with them.) Except the other covenants are actually fun to engage with. Ratbros are like gank squads; yeah, it's possible to win, but it's unlikely and just feels like a waste of time. gently caress that noise.
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King of Solomon posted:Except the other covenants are actually fun to engage with. Ratbros are like gank squads; yeah, it's possible to win, but it's unlikely and just feels like a waste of time. gently caress that noise. Why? Ratbros stack fights in their favor, but they're hardly the most unfair. Bell cops invade YOUR world, so you can actually lose stuff fighting them. Just like ratbros, you have to fight enemies at the same time so the odds are stacked against you. Unlike ratbros there is almost always TWO of them, and beating PvP geared players in a 2v1 is a total crapshoot. If either of them is even somewhat decent you'll just get stunlocked and killed. Its way more unfair than ratbros, costs you actual progress, and you don't even get anything for beating them.
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