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Thank you for raising my hopes and then dashing them auspol
Just another exercise to illustrate the folly of holding any hope in the first place.
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I thought we didn't want Mr Charisma to become party leader?
Yeah I don't know why you'd want Turnbull as leader. He still has the same lovely policies, he'd just be much better at selling them.
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After all the poo poo the ALP got(in no small amount from the LNP) for booting Rudd, you've gotta figure that doing the same with Abbott would be political suicide.
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Abbott would probably cry which would be pretty sweet.
Ideally they'd boot him for someone even more disliked first, since the Libs are that loving dumb.
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Jun 5, 2014 23:25
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Though that would probably lead to Prime Minister Pyne, Hockey, Bishop, Morrison.
Ugh.
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After all the poo poo the ALP got(in no small amount from the LNP) for booting Rudd, you've gotta figure that doing the same with Abbott would be political suicide.
Has breaking any of their election promises stopped them yet?
Would they care?
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The same as promising no new taxes and then bringing in a new tax would be political suici... oh wait.
I don't think LNP voters care about actual policy, though.
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I don't think LNP voters care about actual policy, though.
Boats.
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Bendigo and Adelaide Bank just decided that coal and CSM are unethical and are refusing to lend to Coal or CSM businesses.
The big 4 can't really follow because they have lent too much coal and CSM debt to offload it.
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Australian Financial Review
Bendigo and Adelaide Bank will have made a little pariah of itself in the coal industry after becoming the first recognisable deposit taker to decide that the thermal coal or coal-seam gas industries are unsustainable and unethical.
“Our commitment to minimise environmental harm – whenever and however we can – includes our own operations, as well as the operations of the businesses we support through loans and investment,” the bank said.
“Specifically, the bank does not lend to companies for whom the core activity is the exploration, mining, manufacture or export of thermal coal or coal seam gas,” it continued.
At a financial level, of course, this declaration of divorce is effectively a nil-cost game for either bank or industry, as Bendigo has never taken a long position in either the coal or coal seam gas industries.
But Bendigo’s assessment of coal and unconventional gas as being outside of its ethical comfort zone comes at a very, very delicate time for both industries.
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My bank doesn't lend to miners and I would consider it "recognisable"
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quote:An American governance company gives News Corp's management the lowest possible rating and a new book is soon to be released on the damaging UK hacking trials, reports Rodney E. Lever.
IN A NEW BLOW for Rupert Murdoch, News Corporation – whose administration is now centralised in the U.S. – has been rated at the lowest possible level for management quality of any company in the States.
The rating of News Corp was made by respected U.S. based governance rating company GovernanceMetrics International, which uses an alphabetic system listing the results of its studies from A to F — with F being the lowest possible rating. Some other corporate examinations around the world use numerical ratings, but the alphabetic method is seen by GMI to be less liable to error. At F, GMI places News Corp among a ragtag group of Asian manufacturers whose operations are also considered to be clouded with risk for investors.
While there is obviously considerable argument in the highest reaches of world business about the reliability of the rating systems used, the results are nevertheless being published by some of the world’s leading financial newspapers.
Business Insider included the following quote from GMI about their F-grade rating for News Corp [IA emphasis]:
WHEN the corporate governance of News Corp came under scrutiny after the phone-hacking scandal in 2011, Nell Minow of GovernanceMetrics International (GMI) ... was quoted (Financial Times, July 12, 2011) as saying: "We've consistently given News Corp an F, only because there is no lower grade."
The rating puts News Corp on a level with Alibaba.com, an online manufacturing and trading house producing goods in China and India, and JD.com, a Chinese company manufacturing electronics in Beijing and trading largely online. Both these companies apparently have a centrally controlled management structure, like News Corp, and strictly limit shareholder influence.
http://www.independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-trials-of-murdoch-news-corp-gets-an-f-for-management,6546
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My bank doesn't lend to miners and I would consider it "recognisable"
Some banks wont lend to miners because of the inconsistency of some contracts too. Could be working on a contract for 6 months. Then be 3 months without work.
All those short contracts are seen as 'poor job stability' by some banks.
One thing I noticed when I worked at Commonwealth Bank: If you live in an Aboriginal Community, Commbank will, the majority of the time, decline your loan. Regardless of your income.
The call center staff try to get out of doing 'Community apps' as they are know, all the time.
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Can you imagine the state of policy and politics today had this vote not gone that way.
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quote:Welfare groups warn changes will spark catastrophe
June 6, 2014
Dan Harrison, Beau Donelly
More than half a million young people could need emergency assistance - including food packages - as a direct result of an Abbott government change which welfare groups have warned will lead to ''catastrophe''.
In an admission that a mandatory six-month wait for benefits for those under 30 is likely to push hundreds of thousands of people into crisis, officials have told Senate hearings the government had allocated $230 million over four years to provide emergency relief to those affected.
The government expects 550,000 applications for assistance, which will be delivered by charities in the form of food vouchers, transport or medications, household goods, clothing or by helping to pay rent or utility bills. Department of Social Services deputy secretary Serena Wilson admitted in a Senate hearing on Wednesday there was a risk that some affected by the change would become homeless.
Brotherhood of St Laurence head Tony Nicholson described the policy as "draconian''. "It will be a catastrophe for those people and also for the welfare agencies that will have to pick up the pieces," he said.
Emma King, chief executive of the Victorian Council of Social Service, said young people in Melbourne's growth corridors were already camping near welfare agencies to access basic aid, such as food and clothing.
"When we factor in people having no income for half the year and the idea of a safety net is to put more money into emergency relief … it's just so extraordinarily removed from reality it defies comprehension," she said. "These people are being pushed into poverty and they've got nothing."
Anglicare Victoria chief executive Paul McDonald said it would demoralise job seekers, who would face a ''hand to mouth'' existence.
"People are not going to get themselves out of poverty with emergency relief handouts," he said.
Maree O'Halloran, president of the National Welfare Rights Network, said youth unemployment would not be addressed by forcing young people into destitution. ''The $230 million to be spent on emergency relief for those left with no safety net would be better spent providing 100,000 job seekers with wage subsidy programs for four years,'' she said.
The change will also apply to parents if they are not the primary carer for their children. A household in which both parents receive income support would lose $490 a fortnight as a result of the change.
Some exemptions are available, including for people who do not have the full capacity to work, who are studying or training or who have a disability.
Ms Wilson told the hearing that separate changes to Family Tax Benefit B would result in 700,000 single income and single parent families losing the benefit.
Asked if any families would be better off as a result of the range of budget changes to benefits and payments, Ms Wilson said she knew of no one.
Jenny Macklin, Labor's spokeswoman on families and payments, said: ''This confirms that Tony Abbott's budget will hit Australian families hard. Labor will oppose Tony Abbott's attack on low- and middle-income families.''
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And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
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quote:Prime Minister Tony Abbott has refused to condemn two conservative commentators engaged in a bitter public dispute with one of his most senior ministers, praising the two as his personal friends.
He said also that criticism comes with the territory for people in politics.
That, along with another observation that there had been some "over-excited chatter" made in recent days, could be seen by Mr Turnbull as a thinly disguised message to him to pull his head in.
Asked directly if he agreed with Mr Turnbull's criticism of Mr Jones as a bomb-thrower doing the Labor party's work, and the claim that Mr Jones and Mr Bolt were running a concerted campaign against Mr Turnbull, Mr Abbott replied "no".
"Alan is a friend of mine, Andrew Bolt is a friend of mine, I think that they are both very significant commentators and they've got a lot to say as you know," he said in Paris.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...l#ixzz33oko1oHF
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One vote Tony.
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And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
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Abbott seems so clearly a one term PM that I want him to stay on as Liberal leader right until the next election.
I want to see his tears as much as anyone else does, but we just have to be patient and imagine how sweet the night of the next election results will be.
Also hope we see a challenge though and have it turn out close. Ideal situation would be a spill being called with Turnbull coming close but not quite getting it, to rattle Tonys confidence in his parties support for him.
If he had any honour at all he'd pull a Gorton if the votes were tied and vote against himself. He doesn't.
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If he had any honour at all he'd pull a Gorton if the votes were tied and vote against himself. He doesn't.
Or preferably a Holt.
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The ocean took the wrong one. It's not like it hasn't had enough opportunities to correct this either.
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With the LNP it's reptiles all the way down.
Remember 'heroic' whistle blower Peter Fox? Remember how the commission he instigated ended up making GBS threads all over him instead?
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2318890/peter-fox-i-would-do-it-again/?cs=305
quote:Peter Fox: I would do it again By JASON GORDON May 30, 2014, 7:30 p.m.
HE’S been battered by the very commission of inquiry which he instigated, but Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox says he would "not hesitate to walk the same path again".
Speaking exclusively to the Newcastle Herald (Hence this link), Mr Fox vigorously defended himself and his actions following yesterday’s final report handed down by Commissioner Margaret Cunneen SC. The report found there was no evidence to support claims that a "Catholic mafia" existed within police ranks, nor Mr Fox’s claims that a strikeforce set up to investigate alleged cover-ups was a "sham" designed to fail. Mr Fox, who has been on stress leave since the middle of 2012 and is close to finalising his employment with the NSW Police Force, said much of his evidence to the commission had been distorted.
He suggested the commission had served more as a witch hunt against him than an investigation into the cover-up of child sexual abuse. "Much of my original submission was redacted with instruction from the Special Commission not to raise certain matters at the public hearings," Mr Fox said.
"I understood and accepted some was for legitimate legal reasons, but most I am still unable to fathom as it obscured important aspects of evidence. I am saddened by the process and findings, but do not shy away from my comments of 2012. Throughout the special commission I felt more like a criminal on trial than a witness." Mr Fox also revealed that he had been threatened and harassed throughout the inquiry by a former police officer. (Bold it all)
"During the hearings my wife and I were subjected to intimidation and harassment within and outside the court," he said. "Threats of physical violence resulted in a local court issuing a personal violence order to protect us, the offender being an ex-police officer and associate of senior police present at the hearings. "The special commission knew I was receiving treatment for stress before subjecting me to a final day of 5 hours of cross-examination ending at 7pm. That final onslaught left me mentally and physically broken."
Then-NSW premier Barry O’Farrell announced the Special Commission of Inquiry following claims made by Mr Fox on ABC-TVs Lateline program, and in the Newcastle Herald. But Mr Fox said the commission became "fundamentally superfluous" given the royal commission later announced by then-prime minister Julia Gillard. Because of the royal commission, much of the evidence he presented to the special commission was redacted, or restricted, he said. "Watching proceedings, one might be forgiven for thinking I was critical of all police for not doing enough about child abuse," Mr Fox said. "Nothing could be further from the truth. My criticism was aimed at the failure of senior police to target, investigate and take action against those covering up child abuse. "My submission on that aspect was redacted by the special commission. Conversely, the royal commission has already exposed the systemic institutional concealment of child abuse. "My disquiet was that such concealment was allowed to flourish, unmolested by law enforcement and others who failed so many. That is what needs to change. I was one of countless voices calling for a royal commission. I expected some criticism that was fair, balanced and without apprehended bias. I do not believe that happened."
Victims’ rights groups have also rallied behind Mr Fox, although he told the Herald he feels uncomfortable with being regarded as a whistleblower. "I’d like to say I am not comfortable with the term whistleblower," he said. "I never have been. I don’t think many who speak out are. History has shown many whistleblowers do not survive the reprisals and smears of those they sought to expose. My journey has been no different. Nevertheless, I would not hesitate to walk the same path."
Mr Fox is currently overseas with his wife Penny. He said the trip was planned last year for a time well after the commission’s findings were originally scheduled to be handed down. Delays in their release meant it coincided with him being overseas.
FULL RESPONSE FROM PETER FOX
In 2012 I asked Premier O’Farrell to establish a Royal Commission into child abuse. Instead he announced the NSW Special Commission with narrow terms of reference closely mirroring those of a police strike force. The Premier thereafter resisted calls for a Royal Commission saying "it would interfere or delay the Special Commission". Days later Prime Minister Gillard announced a National Royal Commission with wide ranging powers. Notwithstanding many believing this made the Special Commission fundamentally superfluous, Mr O’Farrell insisted it continue. From my first contact with the Special Commission, behind closed doors, I was attacked. Material I considered relevant and tried to present was rejected. Much of my original submission was redacted with instruction from the Special Commission not to raise certain matters at the public hearings.
I understood and accepted some was for legitimate legal reasons. Most I am still unable to fathom as it obscured important aspects of evidence. I am saddened by the process and findings, but do not shy away from my comments of 2012. Throughout the Special Commission I felt more like a criminal on trial than a witness. This hostile treatment continued over an unprecedented and oppressive 14 days of repetitive cross-examination. During the hearings my wife and I were subjected to intimidation and harassment within and outside the court. Threats of physical violence resulted in a local court issuing a personal violence order to protect us, the offender being an ex-police officer and associate of senior police present at the hearings. The Special Commission knew I was receiving treatment for stress before subjecting me to a final day of five and a half hours of cross examination ending at 7pm. That final onslaught left me mentally and physically broken.
Much of what I said in 2012 has been distorted.
Watching proceedings one might be forgiven for thinking I was critical of all police for not doing enough about child abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. I made clear my support of police in my letter to the Premier and the ABC interview. My criticism was aimed at the failure of senior police to target, investigate and take action against those covering-up child abuse. My submission on that aspect was redacted by the Special Commission. Conversely the Royal Commission has already exposed the systemic institutional concealment of child abuse. My disquiet was that such concealment was allowed to flourish, unmolested by law enforcement and others who failed so many. That is what needs to change. I was one of countless voices calling for a Royal Commission. I expected some criticism that was fair, balanced and without apprehended bias. I do not believe that happened. Former Prime Minister Gillard said “we must do everything we can to make sure that what has happened in the past is never allowed to happen again". I wholeheartedly agree. Sadly that view is not held by everyone, particularly powerful organisations and individuals.
The Royal Commission has already exposed serious institutional failures. With more likely to follow, it’s not surprising some institutions still place organisational reputations above Ms Gillard’s commitment. Surely the central issue for the Special Commission should have been the future protection of children. I am therefore at a loss as to what the Special Commission attained that could not have been achieved by the Royal Commission. In time that may become apparent. However, after the example of my ordeal I can only imagine the effect on others who might have contemplated coming forward.
Finally, I’d like to say I am not comfortable with the term ‘whistle-blower’. I never have been. I don’t think many who speak out are. History has shown many whistle-blowers do not survive the reprisals and smears of those they sought to expose. My journey has been no different. Following the Special Commission I now stand at the end of that long but honourable queue. Nevertheless, I would not hesitate to walk the same path again.
Peter Fox
Damned if you do, Damned if you don't.
This is an absolute stain on the NSW judiciary and today I heard calls that Fox should be disbelieved because otherwise you'd be calling most of the senior police in NSW liars and pedophile enablers. Looks like the truth (as being established by the Royal Commission into institutionalised child abuse) hurts.
If you care there's more evidence that fails to vindicate high ranking police.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2321425/paedophile-victim-daniel-feenan-speaks-out-in-support-of-inspector-peter-fox-video/
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I was reading the article on the Tunbull / Bolt-Jones slanging match and it contained this little line at the end.
"Turnbull lead the Liberal party from 2008 to 2009, losing the job to Abbott by a single vote after his party revolted against his insistence that it support the Rudd government’s proposed emissions trading scheme."
Can you imagine the state of policy and politics today had this vote not gone that way.
Why read it when you can hear it in full here:
Part1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7IzXFCXzSA
Part2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDoYo-3HRsQ
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Remember how Jones and Bolt were asking Labor for ammunition to use against Malcolm?
Daily Telegraph posted:MALCOLM Turnbull wanted to become Kim Beazley's shadow finance minister during the second term of the Howard Government.
The Sunday Telegraph has confirmed Mr Turnbull approached at least six senior ALP figures, including former Prime Minister Bob Hawke, actively seeking their endorsement to join the ALP at the time of the republic referendum.
Speaking for the first time on the issue, Mr Hawke said Mr Turnbull approached him on November 6, 1999, at Sydney's Marriott Hotel following the referendum's defeat.
Mr Hawke said yesterday he remembered the conversation clearly. Mr Turnbull told him: "Bob, the only thing I can do now is join the Labor Party.''
Mr Hawke said he replied by telling Mr Turnbull ``he could be accommodated'' and that "the Labor Party was a broad church''.
The former senior ALP staffer David Britton, who founded the Labor lobbying firm HawkerBritton, said Mr Turnbull told him at the time of the referendum he was "deeply p..... off with Howard'' - and that he had a "very different social agenda'' to the then prime minister.
Mr Turnbull told Mr Britton: "Don't you think Kim Beazley would like somebody like me as his finance spokesman?''
The Sunday Telegraph has confirmed that NSW Health Minister, John Della Bosca, was also approached by Mr Turnbull earlier that year about the possibility of securing an ALP NSW Senate seat.
At the time, Mr Della Bosca was the state secretary of the NSW Labor Party.
Senior Labor figures said Mr Turnbull raised his interest in becoming a Labor MP with the then ACTU secretary Bill Kelty as well.
Contacted yesterday, Mr Kelty declined to comment saying he never revealed the nature of private conversations.
While there have been previous rumblings - which have always denied by Mr Turnbull - about him wanting to the join the Labor Party, today's revelations make it clear that his pursuit of a Labor seat was concerted and he made approaches to influential Labor figures across the party.
The various approaches by Mr Turnbull were revived in closed door discussions involving Mr Beazley and Mr Hawke at this week's Australian-US Leadership Dialogue in Melbourne.
Mr Beazley, the Opposition leader in 1999, confirmed yesterday he had a conversation with Mr Turnbull a year earlier at the Constitutional Convention.
Mr Beazley, who has previously made some details of the conversation public, said that Mr Turnbull used the conversation to explore his options of getting into politics through the Labor party.
Mr Beazley said he rebuffed him, telling him he ``was basically aLib'' and he should join theLiberal Party if he wanted to enter Federal Parliament.
Mr Beazley also confirmed that his previous reference to another ``retired senior Labor figure'' Mr Turnbull had approached was indeed former PM Bob Hawke.
Mr Britton, a long-time press secretary to NSW Premier Bob Carr, said Mr Turnbull was "definitely flirting'' with the ideaof joining the ALP and, at thetime, was also close to the ``godfather'' of the NSW Labor Right, "Johno'' Johnson.
After raising the idea of becoming Mr Beazley's finance spokesman, Mr Britton said he told Mr Turnbull that a Labor seat was not his to give and then referred him on to Mr Della Bosca.
Another senior figure in the republican movement told The Sunday Telegraph he also talked to Mr Turnbull about his Labor ambitions.
Tony Pooley, who now works for NSW Minister Kristina Keneally, said Mr Turnbull "had reflected on the fact he had some general discussions with Paul Keating about representing Labor federally''.
Former Labor powerbroker Graham Richardson revealed in October, 2003, that Mr Turnbull had sought a safe Senate seat from him. Mr Turnbull, seeking Liberal pre-selection for the seat of Wentworth at the time, labelled the claim a ``lie''.
However, Mr Richardson this week told The Sunday Telegraph he stood by the claim. He said there were "a string of witnesses'' to the half-hour meeting with Mr Turnbull, which took place in his office.
Mr Turnbull said yesterday: "Political parties always seek to recruit people they think may be of talent and over the years a number of people inside the Labor Party have sought to recruit me.
"I've always treated these invitations politely. But actions speak louder than words and I have never joined the Labor Party.''
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Think you've got what it takes?
We're looking for fine Men & Women to help Protect the Australian Way of Life.
Become part of the Legend. Defence Jobs.
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Though that would probably lead to Prime Minister Pyne, Hockey, Bishop, Morrison.
Ugh.
OTOH, a Prime Minister with <1% preferred leader would be a sight to behold.
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Do people outside of the political sphere actually give a crap about party disloyalty or whatever?
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Do people outside of the political sphere actually give a crap about party disloyalty or whatever?
Yes but they won't be able to tell you why.
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- Lid
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And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
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Turnbull has stopped from ruling out leadership ambition to quote "said his prospects are negligible and he hit back against claims by rightwing commentator “bullies” that he was destabilising Tony Abbott."
So it's on like Keating... all in a weird inverse Rudd situation where Bolt and Jones decided to go full anti-Turnbull for no real reason. We all know Turnbull was waiting for this but their reaction to a dinner with Clive has pretty much made this now the make or break.
This is distracting from the budget, but when the budget rolls around it won't be waved through anyway.
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