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Radish posted:Honestly I don't think they are that great at it. Are you loving kidding me? They're loving experts at it. It's about the ONLY thing they're good at. It's tremendously effective and it drives me loving insane. CNN and even NPR are running stories around whether or not it was worth it to save him. They've painted Obama as a far left Socialist in the mind of the average American. They've framed the ACA as a government takeover of helathcare. They made John Kerry defend his war record and his medals. They turned Dan Rather into a loving punchline and made him the poster boy for a lovely, biased left wing journalist. They turned ACORN into a low budget non-profit organization that registered people to vote into an organization that ran the whole country and fixed the election for Obama. They've cast long shadows on where our President was born, his religion, his pastor, and even if he's eligible to be President. They've cast aspersions about Hillary Clinton being a lesbian and her husband a murderer. They're absolutely experts at it. It's what they do and the only thing they know; and they know exactly what they're doing, why they're doing it and who butters their bread.
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To me it's more shades of McCain flip flopping. Did he very clearly go from "I support these 5 in exchange for Bergdahl" to "I didn't support these 5 in exchange for Bergdahl"? - Not really, but personally I think it's within reason to say he was originally trying to indicate support for at least some kind of prisoner exchange and is doing so periously close to a specific mention of these 5 dudes. Today he's saying he never supported the T5 exchange - This is likely true. He never supported ANYTHING outright at the time, but he did talk pretty highly about a generic prisoner exchange. The big problem is today he's saying he had no idea the T5 might be exchanged for Bergdahl. And that's an outright lie. So in the end for me it's a probably on the flip flop, and a definite that he's lying about the entire situation...and it's a lie that obscures his support for even a generic prisoner exchange. Nothing about it passes my smell test. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Jun 7, 2014 |
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Is that kickstarter documentary on right wing media done yet, or close to it? I'm interested in what it has to say even if it isn't exactly scientific. Also the effectiveness of right wing media also drives me nuts, it's crazy how people can buy into this bullshit. I mean they are accepting viewpoints that are outright hostile to themselves in fact. I'm not sure it will last though, cable news is a sinking ship and when the boomers go the O'Reillys and Hannitys will be going with them methinks.
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Luke Johnson posted:Samson wouldn't have been able to collapse the temple if he were bald Samson was also a pretty terrible person.
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Jun 7, 2014 00:16
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Axetrain posted:I mean they are accepting viewpoints that are outright hostile to themselves in fact. They don't see it like that. Some of them are temporarily embarassed millionaires who are totally on team millionaire and say gently caress you to anything that would harm one ever. Some of them are under siege by people who are exactly like them in every major facet of life except skin color, religion, or a marginally different economic status and thus support laws that gently caress those people over.
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BiggerBoat posted:Are you loving kidding me? They're loving experts at it. It's about the ONLY thing they're good at. It's tremendously effective and it drives me loving insane. It all stems from the playing field being so un-level. I'm not saying they aren't effective but that they have all the referees on their side. Whenever one of these pundits or politicians gets into a situation where they actually have to defend themselves or their positions they all fall apart. NPR is in the process of being bought by the rich (and is terrified of being seen as partisan) and CNN is a joke so it's not like it took much to get them on board. Getting a bunch of racists to hate the first black president and selfish people that they owe nothing to society (that still owes them everything) was so easy they don't even have to have a consistent message for more than a minute. Kerry was swift boated since no one wanted to fight their message, including Kerry himself to a degree. Whenever they start screeching everyone just folds and looks to the ground and shuffles their feet. I think we agree on the incredible effectiveness of the right wing messaging machine. I just don't think they are very good and if the media wasn't majority owned by their supporters and the country wasn't beholden to racists and religious fundamentalists due to the way our congress is set up they wouldn't be able to coast on their asinine attacks so easily. I guess it all depends on if you think owning the people that are supposed to keeping everyone honest is part of their calculated genius which I think can be argued both ways. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jun 7, 2014 |
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Jun 7, 2014 00:21
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Radish posted:Whenever they start screeching everyone just folds and looks to the ground and shuffles their feet. They do this in part because the supply of right-wing outrage is completely inexhaustible and they know they can just get their way through sheer attrition. They're about a million times better at playing the long game than the left.
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Jun 7, 2014 00:31
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Fox News analyst just literally compared Bergdahl to LEE HARVEY OSWALD. This is insane.
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FuzzySkinner posted:This is insane. No, it's only natural.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Fox News analyst just literally compared Bergdahl to LEE HARVEY OSWALD. All television news networks, with rare exceptions such as PBS and NPR, are outrageous propaganda outlets. That FOX is the most flamboyant does little to elevate them among the other propagandists.
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Post 9-11 User posted:All television news networks, with rare exceptions such as PBS and NPR, are outrageous propaganda outlets. That FOX is the most flamboyant does little to elevate them among the other propagandists. You don't have the faintest clue of what propaganda means.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The thing they SHOULD be taking issue with is the "behind their backs" part, not the actual substance of the exchange which they pretty clearly knew about ahead of time. They just didn't give whatever approval they think they were entitled to that the Admin doesn't. In a technical sense maybe the fact that the deal was happening was not properly communicated to congress, but this deal has been known publicly and kicked around in various forms for years at this point. So this is one of those "technically yes, basically no" situations. Technically Obama didn't notify congress, basically he had repeatedly. So even going down that path where they're technically correct is disingenuous as hell. It's less disingenuous as them painting Bergdahl and his family out to be terrorist sympathizers, but it's still plainly disingenuous. You're right flip-flopping isn't new in politics. The widespread nature of the flip-flopping that really shows off the coordinated conservative messaging is the alarming thing. John McCain is only the first best example. He loves being on TV, and so he got bit. Other people got exposed through their Twitter feeds or websites. John McCain gets the most play because you can run the footage of him back to back on TV to make the point. The thing that sucks is that the conservative base decided they hated John McCain years ago, and so a lot of them probably don't see him flipping as anything more than an isolated case of his own political opportunism. In reality, though, nearly the entirety of the right wing media establishment has done an about face on this. The conservative base has a short memory, though. Bergdahl was one of the poster children from "Obama hates our troops! He won't bring him home. I'm sure if you did enough digging you could put together a right wing media super cut of various people saying Obama should do the deal to bring Bergdahl home.
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Slightly off the current topic, but did Rush or any of his conservative brethren ever rationalize why it was okay for him to not be arrested for his oxycontin addiction? Or is it one of those things where conservatives just never mentioned it again?
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Mr Interweb posted:Slightly off the current topic, but did Rush or any of his conservative brethren ever rationalize why it was okay for him to not be arrested for his oxycontin addiction? Or is it one of those things where conservatives just never mentioned it again? If you're a Christian with Good Conservative Opinions, you get to say you're sorry, beg for forgiveness, and go right back to pushing mandatory minimum sentences for people poor enough and black enough to be charged in court for the same crime that you went to a posh rehab center for.
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Mr Interweb posted:Slightly off the current topic, but did Rush or any of his conservative brethren ever rationalize why it was okay for him to not be arrested for his oxycontin addiction? Or is it one of those things where conservatives just never mentioned it again? Drugs laws aren't for them, they're harmless users who just need rehab, meanwhile you have these
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VitalSigns posted:If you're a Christian with Good Conservative Opinions, you get to say you're sorry, beg for forgiveness, and go right back to pushing mandatory minimum sentences for people poor enough and black enough to be charged in court for the same crime that you went to a posh rehab center for. Tatum Girlparts posted:Drugs laws aren't for them, they're harmless users who just need rehab, meanwhile you have these Oh, I'm sure they internally justify it with IOKIYAR, but has there actually been any real attempt at explaining it? The closest I can think is an interview Sean Hannity had with some random lib who brought that up, to which Hannity just said "oh but it was an addiction and so it's not fair to attack him for that!" and never brought it up again.
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Nintendo Kid posted:You don't have the faintest clue of what propaganda means. prop·a·gan·da ˌpräpəˈgandə/ noun noun: propaganda; noun: Propaganda 1. derogatory information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. "he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda" synonyms: information, promotion, advertising, publicity, spin; More disinformation, counter-information; historicalagitprop; informalinfo, hype, plugging; puff piece; the big lie "the prophetic novel is about a government that controls the masses by spreading propaganda" the dissemination of propaganda as a political strategy. "the party's leaders believed that a long period of education and propaganda would be necessary" 2. a committee of cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church responsible for foreign missions, founded in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV. Origin Italian, from modern Latin congregatio de propaganda fide ‘congregation for propagation of the faith’ (sense 2). Sense 1 dates from the early 20th cent.
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Mr Interweb posted:Oh, I'm sure they internally justify it with IOKIYAR, but has there actually been any real attempt at explaining it? The closest I can think is an interview Sean Hannity had with some random lib who brought that up, to which Hannity just said "oh but it was an addiction and so it's not fair to attack him for that!" and never brought it up again. A surprising amount of Fox News viewers are probably addicted to pain medication and probably didn't even think of it. If anything they probably sympathize getting snagged with illegally acquired drugs as the same anxiety goes through their mind when they drive to Mexico/Canada to buy prescriptions that they cannot afford in The Greatest HealthCare System the Free Market Can Make.
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ErichZahn posted:prop·a·gan·da Yeah none of this matches "most media except NPR and PBS", thanks for playing.
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Mr Interweb posted:Slightly off the current topic, but did Rush or any of his conservative brethren ever rationalize why it was okay for him to not be arrested for his oxycontin addiction? Or is it one of those things where conservatives just never mentioned it again? He has obeyed all of the commands given by the applicable law enforcement entities in his city/county. What else would you have him do, community service?
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Sir Tonk posted:He has obeyed all of the commands given by the applicable law enforcement entities in his city/county. What else would you have him do, community service? Guh? This isn't about whether Rush followed through with the punishment that was legally bestowed upon him. It's about why Rush isn't in jail like he claims everyone else who's a drug addict should be.
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Mr Interweb posted:Guh? This isn't about whether Rush followed through with the punishment that was legally bestowed upon him. It's about why Rush isn't in jail like he claims everyone else who's a drug addict should be.  Mr Interweb posted:Oh, I'm sure they internally justify it with IOKIYAR, but has there actually been any real attempt at explaining it? The closest I can think is an interview Sean Hannity had with some random lib who brought that up, to which Hannity just said "oh but it was an addiction and so it's not fair to attack him for that!" and never brought it up again. He had a back injury and was prescribed these pills. Unfamiliar with how addictive they are, he indeed became an addict and started breaking the law. So blah blah blah, I started taking pills for a good reason and got caught up, not like those violent grug-addled thugs who do drugs because their evil knows no bounds. Literally "I'm a special snowflake with good intentions, so my situation is exempt from judgment" followed by demonizing anyone who does the same thing but looks a little different from him. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jun 7, 2014 |
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VitalSigns posted:He had a back injury and was prescribed these pills. Unfamiliar with how addictive they are, he indeed became an addict and started breaking the law. So blah blah blah, I started taking pills for a good reason and got caught up, not like those violent grug-addled thugs who do drugs because their evil knows no bounds. I try my best to be level-headed and fair, even to those who really rub me the wrong way. I strive to be a decent human being and to be an advocate for justice over vengeance, and help over punishment. I don't want to be an rear end in a top hat, but poo poo like this makes me fantasize about a world where we can quantify things like hypocrisy, willful and dangerous ignorance, and general self-centered assholery so that we can start culling it from the herd. Hook Rush up to the douchecockery-o-meter, see that bitch peg red, and ship him off to the sleepy-time hospital.
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VideoTapir posted:I you don't explain it in your own words, you haven't proven that you understand it. Did you intend to imply that that widow and noted opponent of DNA exoneration Nancy Grace is not a propagandist, even as she asks for an answers and then proceeds to talk over the other person? That MSNBC advocates in favor of no causes?
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...oh. I thought that might be the case, but wasn't sure. quote:He had a back injury and was prescribed these pills. Unfamiliar with how addictive they are, he indeed became an addict and started breaking the law. So blah blah blah, I started taking pills for a good reason and got caught up, not like those violent grug-addled thugs who do drugs because their evil knows no bounds. Well, then. Revolting, but not surprising. AdjectiveNoun posted:Has there been any new word on the Bundy situation, out of curiosity? He changed his party affiliation from Republican to Independent after being betrayed by Hannity, et al.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Fox News just aired one of those "MILLENIALS DON'T RECOGNIZE THE SACRIFICE THAT OUR VETERANS GAVE THAT DAY! 9/11! D-DAY!" Well, the guy who was filling in for Rush today was going on and on about how if Hitler came to power today The Liberals would just stand by and let him roughshod all over Europe, so this seems to be a fairly common theme coming from the right wing noise machine. 
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yeah none of this matches "most media except NPR and PBS", thanks for playing. His post states "All television news networks" not all media. Although NPR isn't on TV either so...
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Axetrain posted:His post states "All television news networks" not all media. Although NPR isn't on TV either so... Yeah, and they aren't to begin with.
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ErichZahn posted:Did you intend to imply that that widow and noted opponent of DNA exoneration Nancy Grace is not a propagandist, even as she asks for an answers and then proceeds to talk over the other person? That MSNBC advocates in favor of no causes? No, I intended to imply exactly what I said.
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The Rokstar posted:Well, the guy who was filling in for Rush today was going on and on about how if Hitler came to power today The Liberals would just stand by and let him roughshod all over Europe, so this seems to be a fairly common theme coming from the right wing noise machine. Like, I'm trying to comprehend how anyone would not know what D-Day is. I've taken history classes, and at this point "Storming the beaches" is indeed ingrained in American Pop Culture. It just seems like they really enjoy taking down millenials for some reason. For some reason their audience has their hatred of their children and grandchildren. I realize that it's been going on for a millenia, but drat if Fox News just doesn't amplify it even more.
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The Rokstar posted:Well, the guy who was filling in for Rush today was going on and on about how if Hitler came to power today The Liberals would just stand by and let him roughshod all over Europe, so this seems to be a fairly common theme coming from the right wing noise machine. FDR and Stalin, noted conservative republicans
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Now let's consider that most of these people are children of the D-Day vets and never stormed any beaches themselves. But these worthless coward millenials don't appreciate the beaches I didn't storm because they're too busy playing on their iDroids and fighting my wars for the last 12 years while I sit on my rear end 
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The Rokstar posted:Well, the guy who was filling in for Rush today was going on and on about how if Hitler came to power today The Liberals would just stand by and let him roughshod all over Europe, so this seems to be a fairly common theme coming from the right wing noise machine. Do..do they know? They have to know..
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Mr Interweb posted:Slightly off the current topic, but did Rush or any of his conservative brethren ever rationalize why it was okay for him to not be arrested for his oxycontin addiction? Or is it one of those things where conservatives just never mentioned it again? Black person + addictive drugs = a social and cultural problem and a threat to public order that demands a harsh, punitive response Seriously, the contrast between the reaction to the rise of crack in the black community in the 1980s and the current huge opiate surge in rural white communities has been (heh) night and day.
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Dr. Faustus posted:This myth was debunked, I think in this thread, pretty recently. The "myth" isn't spitting on POW's, it's spitting on returning servicemen. The man who wrote the book claiming this is a myth also thinks PTSD was something invented by the government to garner sympathy for the war, that Veterans are simply making it up to garner sympathy for themselves.
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