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colonel_korn posted:The Globe and Mail's editorial board endorses Tim Hudak's Progressive Conservatives Hahah what a bunch of assholes. Forget that none of it makes any sense or the math adds up, as long as we put those public servants in their place!
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colonel_korn posted:The Globe and Mail's editorial board endorses Tim Hudak's Progressive Conservatives The Globe is, as far as I know, the paper that broke the story that Tim Hudak can't do math, and they just endorsed him. Then again, this is all you really need to know about the Canadian media landscape. The Globe has endorsed Harper's Conservatives in every election since 2006 (and probably the ones before that too, there just aren't Wikipedia pages about them). That being said, that G&M article was the first I've heard of this: quote:And as the election moved into its final days, Leader Andrea Horwath was bizarrely attempting to mischaracterize Ms. Wynne’s proposal for a province-wide pension plan, an idea the NDP once supported and sort of still does, as being part of a right-wing, “Harper-style” agenda. The NDP’s moves have been strange and sad. gently caress off, Andrea Horwath, seriously. What the gently caress.
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vyelkin posted:gently caress off, Andrea Horwath, seriously. What the gently caress.
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vyelkin posted:The Globe is, as far as I know, the paper that broke the story that Tim Hudak can't do math, and they just endorsed him. David Reeveley of the Citizen was the first to report on Hudak's inability to do math, but the story didn't really go anywhere until like a week later when someone, possibly the Globe, picked it up.
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Jun 7, 2014 12:27
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What I've deduced from that Globe article is that their journalists are underpaid, bitter and have no job security, and they are jealous of the unionized public sector's good paying jobs = VOTE FOR HUDAk
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Jun 7, 2014 14:40
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I've been at work ten minutes and have now heard three separate attack ads over the radio - one from each major party. Cannot wait until Thursday night. My fearless prediction is that, numbers-wise, we somehow end up with the exact same Legislature as we did before the election was called. St. Dogbert fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jun 7, 2014 |
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Jun 7, 2014 14:47
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St. Dogbert posted:I've been at work ten minutes and have now heard three separate attack ads over the radio - one from each major party. At least then half the legislature would shut up about Kathleen Wynne being an "UNELECTED PREMIER  "
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Jun 7, 2014 15:23
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I don't know if it's been linked yet but the national post's endorsement of the PCs is comical in it's lack of argument and comic book villain like conservativism. It doesn't even mention the NDP and pretends they don't even exist, while explicitly advocating austerity, "common sense" (obvious reference to mike harris), and calls aboriginal protesters "thugs". http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com..._medium=twitter
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Jun 7, 2014 15:37
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The Star has a lengthy article about an interview with Horwath: http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario_election/2014/06/07/an_upbeat_horwath_seems_relaxed_and_angry.html Highlights:
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Jun 7, 2014 17:07
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RBC posted:
The Canadian political animal in a nutshell. gently caress this country so hard.
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Jun 7, 2014 17:10
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vyelkin posted:The Star has a lengthy article about an interview with Horwath: quote:The NDP leader had skipped the budget lockup that day, a first chance to read the document before it was tabled in the legislature and for weeks had refused to sit down with Premier Kathleen Wynne to discuss what the NDP wanted the budget to include.  gently caress off Andrea. Funnier that they seemed like they were the least prepared party for the election.
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Jun 7, 2014 17:12
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vyelkin posted:[*]“I walk in the shoes of Tommy Douglas and it’s a big responsibility to bear” gently caress me, I hope Kiefer comes home and Jack Bauers his way through the NDP leadership.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:The Canadian political animal in a nutshell. gently caress this country so hard. Dude, it's the National Post. Don't get too worked up over it. 
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:
The entire budget had already been leaked by the OLP. Wynne had repeatedly said that she wasn't open to negotiation and that she wasn't going to accept any amendments to the budget. The budget lock-up was a pro forma exercise. Horwath saying so is bad optics, but she's not wrong that it didn't really matter.
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Pinterest Mom posted:The entire budget had already been leaked by the OLP. Wynne had repeatedly said that she wasn't open to negotiation and that she wasn't going to accept any amendments to the budget. The budget lock-up was a pro forma exercise. Horwath saying so is bad optics, but she's not wrong that it didn't really matter. It is apparently true, though, that Horwath refused Wynne's suggestions to meet and discuss what should be in the budget while it was being written (before any of the leaks). Even Hudak was apparently willing to sit down in a room with Wynne and talk about what should be in the budget, even if what he actually said was probably "Fire everyone and appoint me Premier, and then maybe I'll vote for it". This implies that Horwath had decided to shoot down the budget literally no matter what was in it.
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Jun 7, 2014 18:34
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vyelkin posted:It is apparently true, though, that Horwath refused Wynne's suggestions to meet and discuss what should be in the budget while it was being written (before any of the leaks). Even Hudak was apparently willing to sit down in a room with Wynne and talk about what should be in the budget, even if what he actually said was probably "Fire everyone and appoint me Premier, and then maybe I'll vote for it". This implies that Horwath had decided to shoot down the budget literally no matter what was in it. That's more or less the open thesis of the NDP campaign, that Liberal corruption and a failure to live up to past negotiations made a deal impossible, Horwath's big mistake was not making this more explicit months ago and leaving open a patina of a chance that she might support the budget.
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Hudak had openly said that he'd be voting against the budget no matter what it contained. If Horwath had done the same, it would make more sense. Now it just seems that she voted against it because it wasn't good enough - and that's a big part of what is making progressives upset at her. I sympathize with the idea that she didn't trust the Liberals to follow through, but then why not just say so in the first place? Why make it look like you're voting against pensions in order to save people money on car insurance? It makes no sense. One can only assume that she really does want to vote against pensions in order to save people money on car insurance.
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Jun 7, 2014 21:14
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Jimbozig posted:Hudak had openly said that he'd be voting against the budget no matter what it contained. If Horwath had done the same, it would make more sense. Now it just seems that she voted against it because it wasn't good enough - and that's a big part of what is making progressives upset at her. I sympathize with the idea that she didn't trust the Liberals to follow through, but then why not just say so in the first place? Why make it look like you're voting against pensions in order to save people money on car insurance? It makes no sense. One can only assume that she really does want to vote against pensions in order to save people money on car insurance. This is the crux of the matter as I see it. If she had said ahead of time, like Hudak did, that she wouldn't vote for it no matter what because she didn't trust the Liberals or they were too corrupt or whatever, then I don't think she would alienate her base anywhere near as much as she did. Nobody gives Hudak any poo poo at all for voting against the budget, because his stance on it was very clear. Instead it appears that Horwath decided the same thing but didn't say it out loud, which means that the optics of it all are her defeating a progressive budget and risking a Hudak government just because.
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RBC posted:What I've deduced from that Globe article is that their journalists are underpaid, bitter and have no job security, and they are jealous of the unionized public sector's good paying jobs = VOTE FOR HUDAk Actually Margaret Wente seems to have an extremely secure job. Oh sorry, you said "journalist", never mind then. DynamicSloth posted:That's more or less the open thesis of the NDP campaign, that Liberal corruption and a failure to live up to past negotiations made a deal impossible, Horwath's big mistake was not making this more explicit months ago and leaving open a patina of a chance that she might support the budget. I'd say her real problem was a lack of any defining issues or policies. What exactly is her vision for the province? A slightly less ambitious version of the Liberal platform with plus some incongruous and highly dubious promises about appointing a minister to stop the gravy train. The strategy seems to have been to move aggressively to the centre, to avoid any ambitious policies, and to hope that Tim Hudak's campaign would crash and burn so hard that the ONDP could slip up the middle. It was a dumb strategy and unless every poll taken so far is off (admittedly, this can't be ruled out) it looks like its a strategy that's going to backfire pretty strongly. It has put the NDP's Toronto seats at risk, it doesn't seem to have attracted many swing voters, and it may end up directly contributing to the election of the most regressive government since before the Second World War.
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vyelkin posted:The Globe is, as far as I know, the paper that broke the story that Tim Hudak can't do math, and they just endorsed him. Then again, this is all you really need to know about the Canadian media landscape. The Globe has endorsed Harper's Conservatives in every election since 2006 (and probably the ones before that too, there just aren't Wikipedia pages about them). To be fair that article seems to say less about how the Canadian media loves the conservatives and more about what a huge loving disaster the Liberal campaign was.
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Fojar38 posted:To be fair that article seems to say less about how the Canadian media loves the conservatives and more about what a huge loving disaster the Liberal campaign was. What about this one? Or this one? Canada has an extremely conservative media. There are essentially two non-right-wing national media outlets, and they are the CBC and the Toronto Star--and the CBC already cannot take political action like openly endorsing candidates, and is steadily being eviscerated by a combination of funding cuts, conservative management (apparently 8 out of 11 CBC board members are CPC donors), and the loss of revenue-generating hockey coverage.
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quote:"This election itself is a referendum on corruption," she said. "I think anybody who is not prepared to understand that that's why we're in this campaign in the first place,... they're not paying attention to what Ontarians are saying." http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-votes-2014/horwath-and-hudak-attack-liberals-over-gas-plants-1.2668467 Oh that's what it's a referendum on! I thought it was on whether we are going to embrace a future of privatization, service cuts and painful austerity we will be told we deserve for some reason. But nope. Turns out its ALL about the loving gas plants. Amazing. My MPP is Peter Tabuns and his record is good from what I understand but I loving hate Horwath and I hate this entire election and all I can think about is Thursday being over with so I can wake up knowing Hudak hasn't won. Meanwhile Danforth Ave. near Donlands (in Toronto) is plastered with all these hastily photocopied posters which read thusly in text that reminds me of "DO NOT BELIEVE HIS LIES" from the movie Memento: quote:THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE GREAT PRETENDER FOR MAYOR SIR NORM KELLY. HE DESPISES OUR MEN IN UNIFORM AND CITIZENS OF TORONTO. IF YOU ARE ACTING MAYOR YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO RESPOND TO ALL MAIL PLEASE SEND YOUR DISSATISFACTION TO SIR KELLY I can only assume it's responding to this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-votes-2014/norm-kelly-endorses-kathleen-wynne-in-ontario-election-1.2666235 The sign is paired with another one that has a bunch of rambling text including things about Howard Moscoe (?) but the headline is hilarious to me: quote:KATHLEEN WYNNE: Is she NDP, a teachers union shill or a left-wing saviour? I guess their point is that she is none of the above? Still kinda sounds like an endorsement though.
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So who else is volunteering on eday itself?
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Yesterday some black and white signs were popping up around Ottawa, I saw a few myself, that said "TIM HUDAK IS PUTTING MY JOB AT RISK" or something. They were definitely anti-Hudak but not ostensibly pro-anyone else. I saw some tweets saying they broke bylaws, but I couldn't find which bylaws they broke. The signs are apparently put up by the Working Families Coalition. I had also read that some were being taken down for some reason, so maybe they were violating bylaws, but again, I couldn't find which one. Are these signs going up anywhere else? Or is it just Ottawa?
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Jun 8, 2014 16:59
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I saw one half an hour ago on the pedestrian bridge over thw queensway at Parkdale. Course it was too small to really read at 120km/h
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bunnyofdoom posted:I saw one half an hour ago on the pedestrian bridge over thw queensway at Parkdale. Course it was too small to really read at 120km/h There's a tonne on Baseline in Ottawa-West.
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Jun 8, 2014 17:50
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You know those "Dear Kathleen" ads the PCs have been running? There's a new one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFomXE6NpVU Ahahahahahaha!
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Leofish posted:You know those "Dear Kathleen" ads the PCs have been running? There's a new one. don't know where to begin with this
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Leofish posted:You know those "Dear Kathleen" ads the PCs have been running? There's a new one. The OPC knows they've lost right. As there is no way to air this without getting sued.
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sbaldrick posted:The OPC knows they've lost right. As there is no way to air this without getting sued.
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Leofish posted:You know those "Dear Kathleen" ads the PCs have been running? There's a new one. I too type out my e-mails in 48 pt. font.
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Looks like those black and white signs I mentioned a few posts up are against Ottawa by-laws. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/0609-elxn-signs Ottawa Citizen posted:“Ottawa’s signs on city streets bylaw permits election signs of registered political parties and registered candidates,” according to Linda Anderson, Ottawa’s chief of regulatory and by-law services.
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Jun 9, 2014 02:14
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It is bad enough with the official signs. Don't need a whole bunch of extra stuff.
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You call that an election sign? Now this is an election sign:
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Helsing posted:You call that an election sign? Now this is an election sign: Someone should tack on a tiny [citation needed] right next to it.
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sbaldrick posted:The OPC knows they've lost right. As there is no way to air this without getting sued. Speaking of getting sued, how is that lawsuit that Wynne filed against Hudak for libel going?
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Speaking of getting sued, how is that lawsuit that Wynne filed against Hudak for libel going? Presumably working its way through the courts. It'll go to trial in 2017 if the Robocalls thing is any indication.
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Latest news: The Toronto Sun, Globe and Mail, and National Post have all endorsed Hudak. The Star has endorsed Wynne. No major papers have endorsed Horwath. Three new polls from all three major pollsters. Ipsos (http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=6528):
One important note: Ipsos is the pollster that had the Tories leading for most of the campaign.  So them saying it's a dead heat now may be a good thing for the Liberals. Ekos (http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2014/06/weekend-update-liberals-staunch-bleeding/):
 Forum (http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/58/liberal-pc-tight-race-in-ontario/):
Note though that these polls were all before the weekend, so are a few days out of date.
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vyelkin posted:Latest news: The Toronto Sun, Globe and Mail, and National Post have all endorsed Hudak. The Star has endorsed Wynne. No major papers have endorsed Horwath.
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JohnnyCanuck posted:The Ottawa Citizen has also endorsed Hudak, probably over the screams of David Reevely. All the endorsements this year read like indictments, it would be hilarious if we didn't have to live with the consequences.
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