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Razakai posted:Y - I have been sent by the Melachim with a message from El. Two days ago in the village of Ashkalon, on the eve of your triumph, the men of Harmath wantonly slaughtered our fathers favored creation put his shrine to the torch. For this desecration, your victory is forfeit. Those who participated this sacrilege have have been slain. You and your allies will lift the siege of Tadmor, gather your armies and return to your homes. If you do not do this by the setting of the sun hence, great calamity will befall you." Plan Razakai.
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Razakai posted:Y - I have been sent by the Melachim with a message from El. Two days ago in the village of Ashkalon, on the eve of your triumph, the men of Harmath wantonly slaughtered our fathers favored creation put his shrine to the torch. For this desecration, your victory is forfeit. Those who participated this sacrilege have have been slain. You and your allies will lift the siege of Tadmor, gather your armies and return to your homes. If you do not do this by the setting of the sun hence, great calamity will befall you." Plan Razakai
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Plan Razakai It covers all the bases I wanted covered. We are sent by the Melachim with a message from El. I think we should say who we are, but as long as we don't try to be clever about avoiding it in the next phase I'm okay with this plan. Just make sure that it's explicit when we start quoting. "Hear now O King the words of the Melachim..."
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I'm not going to be by a computer for several hours, can someone keep track of the count I started?
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Walking out after delivering that message s unfeasible considering we were literally escorted to the tent by a hundred armed dudes. We can't drop the mic just to look cool.
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I can't believe the melachim are telling the king he has to stop his war because his son and some troops lit a shrine of El on fire (intentionally or not). And we're doing all of this to help some Atharian doofus. This whole chain of events seems crazy to me. Luckily Diog writes an interesting story in spite of all the stupid posters trying to do stupid things every day of the week.
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Tsyni posted:I can't believe the melachim are telling the king he has to stop his war because his son and some troops lit a shrine of El on fire (intentionally or not). And we're doing all of this to help some Atharian doofus. This whole chain of events seems crazy to me. Luckily Diog writes an interesting story in spite of all the stupid posters trying to do stupid things every day of the week. Look on the bright side. We found the antidote to ultra safe voters, get a Melachim to order us into suicidal situations. Honestly really looking forward to seeing this "king" react to the news we're going to drop. I hope we get to kill a King or two today.
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Loving our role as a bad rear end desert prophet! Now that we've dumped our easily murdered/tortured companions.     Lanky Coconut Tree posted:I hope we get to not be killed by a King or Fixed that for you.
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Aades posted:I'm assuming that the survivors from Saul's men already made it back to camp and told everybody about how a giant black man attacked them. If the king knows that, then he may not believe Og if Og acts as if someone else did the deed. That was my reasoning for mentioning that we killed Saul. Yes this was my reasoning as well. It could be wrong. The elitism of this place might mean the King does not bother with common people or something so it could be wrong. I think we have to assume he knows though. Why wasn't Saul here on this most important of days for his father? Was was he wandering around with a troop burning Temples four days away? ShotgunWillie posted:PRAY TO EL THAT HE MAY GIVE US THE POWER TO SURVIVE THIS TEST. I consider this whole thing a Prayer. Zybourne Clock posted:Fa -> G -> I -> R + call him out on attempting to mind-read us. Then leave the moment we're done talking. We might actually apologize for him not being able to read our mind. "I am sorry you could not read my thoughts directly oh King. Most people find it difficult and I know this makes such a critical decision much more difficult for you. I have no stake or vested interest in your war as such. Only in the will of El as it has been given to me." I like Plan Razikai and I am hoping that the options offered represent the same clarity of the message from the Melachim when woven together by Diog. The thing about walking out is that it is cool if it works, but it probably won't. "Seize him!" Is the likely response. If we could just disappear as mentioned above then cool. If not it take the attention away from the King having to deal with the message. Sogol fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Tsyni posted:I can't believe the melachim are telling the king he has to stop his war because his son and some troops lit a shrine of El on fire (intentionally or not). And we're doing all of this to help some Atharian doofus. This whole chain of events seems crazy to me. Luckily Diog writes an interesting story in spite of all the stupid posters trying to do stupid things every day of the week. I'm pretty sure that the prince had been burning and killing his way through several other villages before we happened upon him in that particular village. Forseeing the future is probably not a melechim ability, but figuring out that a prince is going around burning temples and were he'll go in the future probably is. I'm also particularly fond of Plan Razakai, especially the part were we pretty much claim to be a melechim.
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Affi posted:I'm pretty sure that the prince had been burning and killing his way through several other villages before we happened upon him in that particular village. Forseeing the future is probably not a melechim ability, but figuring out that a prince is going around burning temples and were he'll go in the future probably is. Unless the King gave orders to go burn an El shrine, or he knew that it would happen, I don't see how he's responsible for the actions of his son (if it was even his son's fault.) That's all I was getting at. It seems like raiding villages and stuff is a normal part of war in these parts.
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Tsyni posted:I can't believe the melachim are telling the king he has to stop his war because his son and some troops lit a shrine of El on fire (intentionally or not). And we're doing all of this to help some Atharian doofus. This whole chain of events seems crazy to me. Luckily Diog writes an interesting story in spite of all the stupid posters trying to do stupid things every day of the week. Yeh, the content might be strange for some. Personally I like it, but it's not just the content. The scale is cool and seeing how Melachim work up close and the mechanics of a Pledge as something real is pretty interesting.
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Affi posted:I'm also particularly fond of Plan Razakai, especially the part were we pretty much claim to be a melechim. Yeah, but Plan Razakai says we were "sent by the Melachim on behalf of El" - it pretty much makes it clear Enkidel himself is not divine whatsoever and is a mere mortal messenger. I think there's a good chance the king can sense our level of Bloodedness and he has a good idea we aren't a Melachim - but if he has doubts, why spell it out for him? I would think he'd be far less inclined to mess with a Melachim directly; having him doubt what we are may keep us alive. Also, for those saying walking out afterwards is lame or wont work - thats exactly what the Melachim did to Bareen. Gave the speech, she yelled at him - and he peaced out. If he let's us leave, why the hell wouldnt we? Get out of there while we can!
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I kind of like the sound of introducing ourselves as Enkidel of the Western Sea, Son of Tudiya, King of Zepath. Associating ourselves with the sea might not win us much acceptance, but it would sound intimidating as gently caress. "Holy poo poo this guy comes from the *sea*?! He must be pretty drat badass!"
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Sogol posted:We might actually apologize for him not being able to read our mind. Enkidel should apologize for nothing. In fact, he should attribute it to his Bloodedness. This King has likely never failed to read somebody's mind before. If we casually point out to the king that we, some random stranger, effortlessly blocked his mind-reading skills, he will have to consider the possibility that he's dealing with someone who is better versed in the way of Mighty Man Magic than he is. As long as the King believes we could potentially destroy his army by looking at it in a funny way, we have a pretty good chance of making it out of his camp alive and in one piece.
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I actually do like that plan, and the whole "our fathers favored creations" is mysterious. Who is that dude? Is he the son of El? Jor-El? Enk-El black superman?There Bias Two posted:I kind of like the sound of introducing ourselves as Enkidel of the Western Sea, Son of Tudiya, King of Zepath. Associating ourselves with the sea might not win us much acceptance, but it would sound intimidating as gently caress. But yeah, it does sound pretty drat cool.
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Zybourne Clock posted:Enkidel should apologize for nothing. In fact, he should attribute it to his Bloodedness. This King has likely never failed to read somebody's mind before. If we casually point out to the king that we, some random stranger, effortlessly blocked his mind-reading skills, he will have to consider the possibility that he's dealing with someone who is better versed in the way of Mighty Man Magic than he is. Keep in mind that it's unclear whether the fruity drink makes them strictly unable to read our mind. They might just believe that we're thinking about fruit, or the ward might simply dissuade them from wanting to actually read our mind. In other words, they might not know they can't do it.
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LLSix posted:Fixed that for you. Imagine how much ??? juice a King contains
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Tsyni posted:Unless the King gave orders to go burn an El shrine, or he knew that it would happen, I don't see how he's responsible for the actions of his son (if it was even his son's fault.) That's all I was getting at. It seems like raiding villages and stuff is a normal part of war in these parts. It's partially a cultural matter. You know how we personally can take credit for every monster our Balls kill, as their leader, regardless of whether or not we dealt the killing blow (or indeed even touched the monster)? I imagine it works both ways - leaders are also responsible for the actions of their subordinates. Their glory is our glory, their shame is our shame. If their subordinates hosed up, it was the fault of the leaders for having chosen bad subordinates or for failing to provide sufficient instruction. The ethics of such a cultural attitude could be debated, but I will note that in some respects it's a bit of an improvement over, say, modern leaders and their tendency to disavow all and any knowledge of any wrongdoing whatsoever when something goes wrong, even if it requires acting like a complete idiot who doesn't have the faintest idea what's happening in his organization no matter how basic. Also worth noting is that burning a temple is kind of a big deal in this culture, which places a much greater emphasis on piety than we do in modern times. I SUSPECT, though I'm not certain, that the level of outrage might be roughly on par with bombing a school or a hospital in the USA. You didn't "just" destroy a religious building - you destroyed the very home and symbol of the Creator of All Things who protects you, feeds you, and is the source of all good things in the world. You didn't simply burn down a building - you tried to burn El. Since most people in Ur are not Asherah-worshipers yet, that's something that's going to demand punishment. Of course, that's only mentioning the purely cultural aspects. For all we know, metaphysically the maintenance of civilization in Ur absolutely requires that El's shrines and temples are sacrosanct, and the Melachim want to make abso-loving-lutely sure nobody even THINKS about ACCIDENTALLY burning a shrine of El, and thus want to make an example of this guy. Alternatively, it's possible that the Melachim might be acting for balance of power purposes using the burning of the shrine as a pretext - they presumably want more Blooded families and thriving cities in Ur, not less, so they're intervening here to restore things to status quo and could only act when they had a decent excuse - the burning of the shrine. Tomn fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Tomn, it seems likely to me that there is a nest of demons under this city as well. If it is razed, the kings of the interior will be poorly prepared to fight them.
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Imagine how much ??? juice a King contains There is only one way to find out! The way is by eating the heart and/or dick of the King! 
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ShotgunWillie posted:Tomn, it seems likely to me that there is a nest of demons under this city as well. If it is razed, the kings of the interior will be poorly prepared to fight them. By the way Ishamal never told us why the gently caress there's a nest of demons under Zepath.
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Tsyni posted:I can't believe the melachim are telling the king he has to stop his war because his son and some troops lit a shrine of El on fire (intentionally or not). And we're doing all of this to help some Atharian doofus. This whole chain of events seems crazy to me. Luckily Diog writes an interesting story in spite of all the stupid posters trying to do stupid things every day of the week. Draconian measures are part and parcel of any good religion. Moses and his god killed a whole lot of Egyptian kids, David's Downey was 200 foreskins, and of course the genocide of the Canaanites. Honestly, a chance to repent is rather merciful compared to fire, brimstone, and worldwide floods.
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Tsyni posted:I can't believe the melachim are telling the king he has to stop his war because his son and some troops lit a shrine of El on fire (intentionally or not). And we're doing all of this to help some Atharian doofus. This whole chain of events seems crazy to me. Luckily Diog writes an interesting story in spite of all the stupid posters trying to do stupid things every day of the week. I suspect we're missing some key information. The Melachim had two complaints: (1) wanton slaughter and (2) the apparently accidental burning of the shrine. So far as we know, border raids are a fairly common thing. They're bad. But they're not morally heinous. We know that Old Story might men have fought each other, for instance. The raid on the town didn't seem to be especially cruel by Ur's standards. This makes me think that there's been a lot of killing off-screen. And killing that went above and beyond what would be expected in a war. Why complain about raids when the King is actively sieging a city? And they decided to call in their favour before the raid started or the village was on fire. This make me think they either knew the temple would burn (potentially really impressive) or were already mad at Saul/the Prince. I also think there's got to be more to the 'break the siege'. There's no way that anyone would abandon a decade-long plan just because some stranger said they had a message from God. For all he knows, we're just lying. Unless the goal is to use the king as a lesson about listening to prophets ("technically we warned him..."), I think we'll see some miraculous stuff happen pretty soon. That'll show that the Melachim are pissed. We're just to make sure they know exactly why the Melachim are pissed. Theology Question: Is it assumed that the Melachim know people's future decisions?
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El is pretty old testament, calling down fire and brimstone on a king because his son burned a temple fits. Also let's make more pledges after this because this whole situation is awesome and we should basically be doing this sorta stuff nonstop. Pledge to El to heal people's stubbed toes. Pledge to El for a pleasant sunny day. PLEDGE TO EL also because pledges seem to give us some serious experience points and are a great path to REAL ULTIMATE POWER
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There Bias Two posted:I wonder what it is that people see when they try to mindread us. Do they just get an image of citrus trees lazily swaying in the breeze? Or does it somehow just dissuade them from continuing? They must think we're a complete idiot who daydreams about groves of fruit trees 24/7. There Bias Two posted:Keep in mind that it's unclear whether the fruity drink makes them strictly unable to read our mind. They might just believe that we're thinking about fruit, or the ward might simply dissuade them from wanting to actually read our mind. In other words, they might not know they can't do it. I think someone reading our mind just sees himself at the edge of an infinitely long wall of citrus trees. We encountered the same thing when we tried to read Enki's mind from within Snarls' body: a grove of trees that was impossible to pass through or climb over. Diogines posted:You path a paw on his head and think soothing thoughts as hard as you can and think your presence at Snarls as hard as you can. Snarls, in your body stops screaming as he realizes your presence, though he keeps his eyes shut. Diogines posted:You try to climb one of the trees. It is difficult to climb on one side of their huge trunks without good holds for your hands and feet, but you do climb.
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Sogol posted:Yeh, the content might be strange for some. Personally I like it, but it's not just the content. The scale is cool and seeing how Melachim work up close and the mechanics of a Pledge as something real is pretty interesting. Don't get me wrong, I think that is all very interesting as well. And I am not really blaming posters for how this has turned out, lol...it's just strange to look at the chain of votes that led us to this situation, which is cool and interesting, but...yeah, the route we took to get here boggles me a bit...I am often boggled.
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Razakai posted:El is pretty old testament, calling down fire and brimstone on a king because his son burned a temple fits. I would honestly be pretty OK with Enkidel becoming an agent of His Exaltedness's Secret Service. Ishamal can be our M and Indor our Q.
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Tomn posted:I would honestly be pretty OK with Enkidel becoming an agent of His Exaltedness's Secret Service. Ishamal can be our M and Indor our Q. We must learn how to produce and shoot arrows of HOLY FIRE first.
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That reminds me. Dio - in the old tales, it seems all the heroes tended to have a weapon they focused on, like whatshisname and his fire arrows. Were there any that just focused on screaming EL to explode mountains? Cause Enkidel should really become a practioner of Swolemancy, a true Muscle Wizard. Who needs weapons when you can just crush dudes with your
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Y'know I was thinking. The Enkidu as our dad theory is the best one. Jalitha is really a melachim or servant of them tasked with raising us. We were deemed too much of a loose cannon to be allowed a normal birth and childhood, our mother was probably the temple whore that gentled Enkidu and after he assaulted Mount Har they froze us. Remember Ish offering us that choice, to sleep for ages until it was safe? Yeah that happened to our mom. Which makes Jal our real mom. And which also explains why she doesn't want to go to Baitel, Tudiya is the closest she's found to someone proper blooded like back in the old days. Now Baitel is just too strange for her tastes, think King's Landing or something Lanky Coconut Tree fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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 King Zobah looks up and says "Why do you disturb us? Who is this?" Zobah does not sound pleased at all. As the men within the room look up, all five of them look you straight in the eyes. You see a small flicker of light around the fringes of King Zobah's head for the briefest of moments. You smell limes, lemons, oranges and other citrus fruits. You smell them strongly, but after a moment the smell is gone. The Captain bows his head and says "My King. Strangers have arrived. This one claims he was sent by El, with a message for you." You tell King Zobah that "I have been sent by El. The shrine of El in Ashkalon was burned and it's people butchered. Those who defiled the shrine were slain. I was given a message to give to you. For the actions of your men in Ashkalon, your victory here is forfeit. You are to life your siege and depart before the sun sets this eve, or great calamity will befall you." King Zobah looks to one of other four men in the room and asks "What is this nonsense? Who is this fool?" All of them have a strong Presence, other kings, or his Mighty Men? One of the men says "Father, Ashkalon's shrine was burned, our men arrived this morning. Gibborim from Zepath drove them off. I did not wish to fill your heart with grief for Saul's death on the eve of battle." King Zobah looks distraught at learning of his son's death and says "I... I see. If Saul burned El's shrine, than he was no sun of mine. I shall rebuild the shrine and make amends to the people of Ashkalon, but he is not the only son lost in this war, I and my fathers have long suffered from the thievery of the Tadmorans, I will not abandon this now, not on the eve of my victory. I assure you, I will rebuild the shrine in Ashkalon, no, I will build a grand temple upon the spot, but I will not abandon my victory." A sixth man you did not see prior, a man of fifty or so wearing priestly vestment in a corner looks to you and says "Our king is a godly man. He shall build the temple as he has promised." Why the cities are fighting is... unclear. You received a variety of mixed messages in Ashkalon. The villagers claim that King Zobah is an evil tyrant who butchered many other villages. The soldiers you captured claim that the Tadmorans stole land from them and they are just trying to get it back. Your merchant guide Avram claims that the two cities have been fighting over the same small scrap of land for generations and that both cities are wasting their time. It seems that Harmath has gathered allies however and their victory is imminent. King Zobah says to you "So it shall be. When we burn the city, the temple here shall be left untouched and the priests unharmed, it shall stand as a waystop for travelers." 1. You..... A. You delivered the message. Say farewell. Get the El out of here. Leave and rejoin Danal, Jobe, Uriah and Snarls, then rejoin your caravan. B. ...the five of you don't rejoin the caravan, you will watch from a distant hill to see what happens. You move a lot quicker than your caravan and Gareb has instructions to wait for you at the next city, you have plenty of time before he does something drastic like moves on without you or comes looking for you. C. ...rejoin the four of them and tell them to rejoin the others, you will catch up. You are going to watch what happens from a distant hill without them. D. C.... except instead of waiting, when darkness falls, climb the walls into Tadmor. Share the information you gleamed from the map in King Zobah's tent. It describes details of how the walls will be attacked. If they don't change their plans, it is... tactically valuable. You only got a glance, but it seems to indicate where the walls will be scaled by King Zobah and his Mighty Men. E. D... but take another quick glance at the map to try to gleam more details. F. Tell King Zobah his pledge to rebuild El's shrine as a big temple is a good idea and he is in El's good book now. He has nothing to worry about! G. ...but he has to pay a penalty fee to El's temple which you will collect on their behalf, twenty pounds of gold will cover it! H. ...in fact, you are going to help him take the city of Tadmor and fight on his side! I. Repeat the message, warn King Zobah that grave calamity will befall him if he does not obey. J. Threaten King Zobah more explicitly. No one is above El's will, obey, or else. K. Tell King Zobah that he is a blood thirsty murderer and only in El's immense mercy is he alive even this second. Strike your armies and leave now, or else. L. Plead with King Zobah. You don't wish evil to come to him, you can only help him if he obeys. M. Make a passionate speech to King Zobah trying to convince him to obey. N. Rebuke King Zobah. He is being shown mercy by being given a chance to live after his son burned El's shrine. Be grateful for this mercy and leave with your armies. Now. O. Plan Jazzyhattrick. jazzyhattrick posted:"It is clear that you are a wise and pious man, a petty king would have killed the messengers that bore such dreadful news. I have done my duty by El and delivered his message, it makes no difference to my onward journey whether or not you heed my words. But it would sadden me greatly to know that a good king is dead, there are too few of them around these days. P. Plan Affi. Affi posted:Plan Women and Children! Q. Plan Toughy: Toughy posted:"King, YOU don't get to pick your penance to El. I've told you what El requires of you and you need to heed, El not your own ego. You've been warned" exit then. R. Plan A Terrible Person: A Terrible Person posted:"Your victory this day has already been foretold. Move quickly, as you have only til sunset to break this siege. I pray that you have made the correct choice, and that El will have mercy. Farewell." S. Plan Canuck Canuck-Errant posted:"Fools," said I, "you do not know - T. Placeholders. U. Something else. Fill in. If you want to dictate exactly what you want to say, go for it. If you want to, feel free to join us on irc #madgod on synirc.net. The channel tends to always have some people in it and is especially active when updates go up. If you do not know what IRC is, here is a web based chat version which will not require you to register or download anything: http://chat.mibbit.com/ One of our players made a wiki about the game: http://sa-diogines.wikia.com/wiki/Paradise_Lost_CYOA_Wiki It has various bits of information, some of it is spot on, other bits are very wrong. If you find it difficult to keep track of the growing number of names and places in our game, the wiki has a good list. Diogines fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Razakai posted:That reminds me.
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