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There are loads of permanent teaching jobs, you just have to move to regional areas. But that is pretty much your only option if you are looking for stable full time employment (oh, and the combo of isolation and a new career will probably burn you out within 5 years, have fun)
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A lot of people I know who went regional (a few as course grads, a few TFA) hated it because they felt that there was no support offered to them to make the adjustment. This is in Victoria though, I hear (once you're waitlisted for a place!) that the NSW style system of rostering actually works well in that regard (because everyone's on the same page and there isn't as much entrenched interest).
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Fruity Gordo posted:Yep. I'm a great natural explainer and feed off the energy of any kind of crowd, but I realised that I wouldn't be able to cope with the culture as a teacher. If you really dig being around high-school-age kids you might actually enjoy youth work tbh man. You'll get recognition of prior learning at TAFE since you already know the child protection and anti-discrimination laws of your state and professional ethics & expectations of mandatory reporters, you'll just have to do the communication and psychology bits because we're advocates rather than educators, so you have to approach kids in a markedly different way. HOWEVER, highly literate and educated youth workers are in short supply and if you get full time work the pay is pretty loving decent, and you're actively encouraged not to take your work home with you. My area over the next few years is gonna probably be in running programs and later on program development rather than residential care, and program work is some of the most creative poo poo you can do and what's great about it is that the preferred way to do it is with basically equal participation in development with the young people who will be taking part in the program. So half of your goal (engaging young people) is already achieved because the kids have a vested interest in getting the thing going and succeeding. This does sound really cool. I'll look into it. Thanks, Fruity!  Zenithe posted:There are loads of permanent teaching jobs, you just have to move to regional areas. But that is pretty much your only option if you are looking for stable full time employment (oh, and the combo of isolation and a new career will probably burn you out within 5 years, have fun) This is true. The one person I know who got a permanent job in his subject area had to move three hours away from Melbourne for it.
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The Narrator posted:I went back and re-read that course description, holy poo poo yeah that's dodgy as gently caress. Basically an internship that you can't even put on the resume. It's much worse than this. Students will be paying for the privilege of doing work for a company, so it's much worse than an unpaid internship. More than this, students will be lining up in droves for this course precisely because they think it's an internship (and therefore think if they do well they'll get a job with Ernst and Young out of it). They are, of course, very wrong.
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I keep getting told that teacher's all lost their Super in the GFC and even when they have enough to retire, they're paranoid it wont be enough and wont do retire. Queue teachers falling asleep in class and young teachers being told that ANY DAY NOW everyone is gonna retire. Dont get me started on people coming out of retirement.
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I know right? Like it's loving difficult emotionally because you're working with disadvantaged and marginalised young people and the biggest part of your job is to be a confidant and advocate to them personally but also not be their friend, so being able to handle and respond properly to disclosure is probably the most important skill to have and I am still not fantastic at responding to disclosure. Also cool to me is that I'm not in a position of authority over them, the entire point of you is to help them get to a point of healthy self-determination. In a way it's a bit more pressure because you don't want to stifle poo poo but otoh as long as you're clear that you are completely open to being told to stfu it's ok I reckon.
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And like that's the entire point of being encouraged not to take poo poo home, because you'll burn out if you do. It's hammered home in social work stuff because student and staff retention rates are worse than in nursing, which I personally find bizarre because imo nursing is the worst and most humanitarian job you could ever do and you're insane to do it. I mean you have to be a bit tough to be ready for disclosures, and you have to be trained to deal otherwise you'll be a total dickhead like me. Active self-harm and suicide attempts and extreme violence against other people are the kinds of things you MIGHT experience working programs but you won't. If you work in residential care, yep. But working programs at youth centers are largely chill.
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But the entire point of the job is to help young people improve their own lives and help enrich the whole community. And as hard as it can be sometimes, your job is to help people build confidence in themselves and feel better and stronger and have a nicer time and a nicer life and that rules.
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As a native French speaker, it's insulting that Tony Abbott even tried that bad a level of French. Like, normally I'm all for people giving it a go and all, but that's just... no. Plus, if that's his high school French level he obviously treated all his classes like he did the D-Day ceremony and slept through them, because holy poo poo. My high school level Spanish is a million times better than that.
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Jun 8, 2014 17:33
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youre naturally bilingual since birth tones struggles with one language, credit where credit is due surely!
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Anidav posted:But seriously, how is this legal, it reminds me of that episode of Madmen where they put all those women in a room to put on lipstick and write about how it makes them feel. It honestly doesn't look that bad if you have a look at their website. EY are loving crazy but they're probably just crowd sourcing ideas and it reads very similar to a lot of corporate graduate programs in larger firms where you need to work in a team to solve a problem or identify an opportunity for the firm. The Co-op program and the (former?) Young Achievers program do something similar and I know that marketing and IT firms run similar competitions/programs as well but I guess your uni needs money so they're trading your degree for a pile of cash. There's also no need for them to source students as free labour when EY have already moved a lot of their poo poo to India and their managers will literally work themselves to death for the glory of the firm.
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Chris Pynes Knob posted:youre naturally bilingual since birth He is a suppository of wisdom
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In light of all the nasty poo poo still continuing to happen to refugees in Scott Morriscums care, let's all take a minute to remember how that jackal came to be a MP with this nearly 5 year old article from the SMH.
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Milky Moor posted:If I had to hypothesise based around what I had seen as a young student teacher, it's something like... I've been where you are, albeit 12 years ago. If you're serious about being a teacher and getting a permanent job, you need to stick with it. Make a shortlist of schools that you'd be willing to do some casual work at, make appointments with the AP or Admin Coordinator, take your resume in and sell yourself. The schools you did your pracs in are always a good place to start. Please also feel free to lie - if you're interviewing at a State school, say you've done some casual work at a CEO school a suitable distance away. At a CEO school, you've done a block at a State school. Whatever you do, DO NOT GIVE UP. It will take some time, but once you're in the door and proven that you're a reliable casual teacher, you'll get progressively more and more work. Sadly though, the issues with the job that you outlined above don't go away, even when you do have a permanent job. In many ways, they only get worse. Stick with it - if you're passionate about what you do, you really can make a difference in young peoples' lives.
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Dubs posted:I keep getting told that teacher's all lost their Super in the GFC and even when they have enough to retire, they're paranoid it wont be enough and wont do retire. Depends which super fund they were with. If they worked in WA before somewhere in the 80's, they're on gold state and didn't lose anything. Also, a shitload of teachers are literally about to retire - next 5 years.
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Aren't a shitload of people going to be retiring in the next 5 - 10 years? My parents are the last of the baby boomers and they're retiring early in their late 50s because of their rewards from negative gearing and career opportunities that didn't require degrees.
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My mom was a teacher (who has thankfully retired recently), and even 20 years ago she was drilling into my head how thankless it is and how I should never, ever go into teaching. I can't imagine how much more hosed it is by now.
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d3rt posted:Aren't a shitload of people going to be retiring in the next 5 - 10 years? My parents are the last of the baby boomers and they're retiring early in their late 50s because of their rewards from negative gearing and career opportunities that didn't require degrees. Of course if we weren't a pack of racist bastards and actually allow in the immigrants the situation would be lessened to a certain degree.
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If it were up to me, teaching would basically be an apprenticeship. You help out an experienced teacher for a year or two, see how they do things, get used to how it is, and so on and so forth.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Is there an oversuplly of teachers and teaching graduates at the moment? I mean that in a purely economic sense because this deadshit country needs all the teachers it can get. What Milky said. There isn't an oversupply of teachers in general, it's just that the demand is being ignored because it's cheaper and easier to make the existing work force do more than they currently are by sacrificing standards than it is to expand the work force and maintain quality. Bear in mind the upshot of this is what I saw on my last prac; an acting head teacher who took the first five days of term off as personal days because they had a nervous breakdown as a result of coordinating two faculties, three extra-curricular programs, all of the prac teachers in the school, being a year advisor, and running their own classes. Some specific areas are massively oversupplied, primary teaching is one hilarious example, but the industry as a whole isn't. In high schools, you can forget about finding work if you're a PE, visual arts, drama, or music teacher. If you teach one of the in-demand subjects like English, Maths or Science, you'll find work but it probably won't be permanent or full time. It's scarce enough that when it happens, it's now officially A Big Deal; we literally threw a party for someone on my last prac because she managed to get hired in a permanent position. She wasn't even leaving the school, she just made it to the promised land of having job security. To give you an idea of how stupid the employment situation is in the most multicultural city in the most multicultural country on Earth; ESL teachers can't be hired as permanent staff unless they're hired under the banner of another teaching method like English. You, as the principal of a school with >90% NESB students, literally can not hire a full time ESL teacher unless they also have approval to teach another method, even if they're going to sit in one of the increasingly rare dedicated ESL faculties. Most of us have another method, but a lot don't, and if that other method isn't English you're going to run into a lot of logistical issues trying to fit them into your staff. So if you're running one of those schools (hint: this is every public high school in western Sydney), you either hire someone as a temp on rolling contracts, or you find a way to integrate ESL into the English faculty and make one of your English teachers the dedicated ESL teacher. Sounds simple, but none of the English teachers will take it willingly because they know ESL classes become dumping grounds for difficult students, and more than a few of the teachers are going to be arrogant fucks who "only work well with advanced students" or some such. If you want someone to work in your school as a behaviour support specialist, you have to hire them as a temp or part timer. As soon as they become full time or permanent, they no longer belong to your school. They go on the payroll of the region and become a shared resource between all of the schools in the region. You might end up only seeing them for a day a fortnight. They're flat out in one school for five days a week. Good luck getting anything useful out of them once they start floating between schools. There's also the fact that over 50% of the public school teachers in NSW are over 50, and the rest of us are all sitting around waiting for them to retire. Thanks for extending that, Tony. A lot of them, as Milky said, are really just coasting and hanging on to old, bad teaching practices. Their students are suffering and the system is suffering because the good poo poo that's happening in teacher education isn't being as widely deployed as it should be due to cranky old farts feeling threatened by the youtubes and internets. A common criticism you'll hear of recent teaching graduates from the barnacles, especially the chalk and talk advocates, is that all we do is show kids youtube videos all day. Learning shouldn't be fun or engaging. It should be difficult and intangible or it doesn't count. Yes, I conduct class-wide discussions of youtube videos. No, I don't have a worksheet to go with that. Deal with it. A lot of luddites are hanging around and even when you take technology out of the equation, simple theoretical stuff like constructivism or student-centred learning which is taken for granted as being a good idea is looked down upon in staff rooms where the average age approaches or exceeds 50. This is to say nothing of the things which are genuinely controversial like project based learning. When they do retire, there's no guarantee that a permanent teacher will be replaced with a permanent teacher. In all likelihood, they won't. The only saving grace is that being even slightly well adjusted makes you look like an absolute loving paragon of professionalism compared to some of the psychos and idiots who've somehow managed to hang around as casuals, so standing out as a good casual isn't too difficult as long as you're prepared to put in the hours. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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When I first started teaching (moved 6 hours away) there were two other teachers I was staying with, both a generation older than me. They said that when you graduated teaching college you got given a degree in one hand and your placement in the other. Among the four high schools in my area there are literally zero trained ESL teachers. Most of them are teaching what they got taught at high school (if they were lucky enough to study the same language they are now teaching at all).
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Ricky Muir fumbles his way through rare media interview http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/ricky-muir-fumbles-his-way-through-rare-media-interview-20140609-39ry8.html quote:He is soon to become one of the most powerful players in Australian politics but incoming Motoring Enthusiasts Party senator Ricky Muir is no polished media performer.
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To add to the cultural obliviousness of Abbott yesterday, apparently he has just referred to "Canadia"
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Milky Moor posted:Another thing is that student teachers aren't terribly well supported. At a lot of schools, you basically disregard everything you've been taught for the past couple of years and begin to toe the 'party line'. Some older teachers are really harsh on younger grads and, in general, there's this expectation that you should be able to handle everything that is thrown your way. I warned you bro. Milky Moor posted:it's a combination of factors but, basically, when myself and a few others went out for dinner with one of our subject supervisors, he said that a few years ago he'd have schools ringing the university to grab masters of teaching graduates. they don't do that anymore. I remember being in that position when I was student teaching a few years ago, it seems odd to have changed suddenly. I wonder if there is any data/statistics that explains why this occurred. Was it grad numbers, teachers staying on longer, budget cuts, casualisation or what? Murodese posted:Also, a shitload of teachers are literally about to retire - next 5 years. That hasn't happened yet? Jeez, no wonder grads are screwed. Maybe a few years ago was an anomaly. Milky Moor posted:If it were up to me, teaching would basically be an apprenticeship. You help out an experienced teacher for a year or two, see how they do things, get used to how it is, and so on and so forth. Yeah, sucks that this will never happen. Thanks for driving away all but the most determined grads. When poo poo hits the fan and they start taking everyone, it will be too late. There's no experienced teachers, no money/resources and your left to flail around and the students suffer through a substandard education for a few years (if they don't permanently fall behind).
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Ler posted:In light of all the nasty poo poo still continuing to happen to refugees in Scott Morriscums care, let's all take a minute to remember how that jackal came to be a MP with this nearly 5 year old article from the SMH. Holy poo poo, a good Paul Sheehan article.
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Zenithe posted:To add to the cultural obliviousness of Abbott yesterday, apparently he has just referred to "Canadia" Hahaha awesome.
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Zenithe posted:To add to the cultural obliviousness of Abbott yesterday, apparently he has just referred to "Canadia" I'm going to need a citation on this, it cannot be real, you cannot actively be that loving dumb.
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Zenithe posted:Among the four high schools in my area there are literally zero trained ESL teachers. Most of them are teaching what they got taught at high school (if they were lucky enough to study the same language they are now teaching at all). Some unis are talking about including TESOL as a mandatory third method in teaching courses because the skills are generally transferable to any method and help make you a good teacher regardless of subject area. I think UWS might already do it. The ESL guys at Usyd are finally starting to get some traction and have managed to get a whopping two credit points of ESL pedagogy added to the common course for MTeach under the guise of literacy and numeracy. This amounts to the first semester of TESOL method being compressed into six weeks and forced down the throats of a cohort of spoiled upper class brats who generally assume low English ability and low intelligence are the same thing. It was a total shitshow watching maths teachers try to explain why children being able to read and understand things isn't their problem, but it was a fun shitshow to watch from the sidelines. P.S gently caress all of the temporarily embarrassed PhD candidates who are too precious to treat ESL kids with respect. ESL kids are loving awesome because they appreciate how fortunate they are to be in any school at all. Everyone who makes a kid like that feel bad by setting them up to fail is a piece of poo poo. Smegmatron fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Captain Pissweak posted:I'm going to need a citation on this, it cannot be real, you cannot actively be that loving dumb. Zenithe posted:ATTN HOOCKSHOT
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I cant wait for the much hyped boomer workforce exodus. Call centres around the world will empty out as all the kids with masters who are stuck setting up internet connections and taking foxtel payments are finally wanted somewhere.
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The boomers will never retire and you'll die aged thirty from starvation when the safety net safety net is slashed to ribbons, hth.
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Captain Pissweak posted:I'm going to need a citation on this, it cannot be real, you cannot actively be that loving dumb. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-09/tony-abbott-arrives-canada-for-talks-with-pm-stephen-harper/5509008 quote:Prime Minister Tony Abbott arrives in Canada for talks with Stephen Harper to boost trade, investment Hope you didn't have anything isshy for lunch! http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-09/prime-minister-tony-abbott-speaks-at-the-the-canadian-war-museu/5509698
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Captain Pissweak posted:The boomers will never retire and you'll die aged thirty from starvation when the safety net safety net is slashed to ribbons, hth. Jokes on you, I'm still trapped in the poo poo cycle at 32 
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Kat Delacour posted:I cant wait for the much hyped boomer workforce exodus. Call centres around the world will empty out as all the kids with masters who are stuck setting up internet connections and taking foxtel payments are finally wanted somewhere. More like I can't wait for Gen X to finally get the positions they've been waiting on for 15 years, give themselves pay rises of economy-wrecking proportions, and casualise the entire workforce to pay for it. Unions have been pretty lovely with regards to slowing down casualisation and it makes me very mad. Looking at you, NSWTF.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Holy poo poo, a good Paul Sheehan article. On the other hand, having a Lebanese-Australian as the face of a despicable asylum regime would be Kafkaesque identity politics.
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Negligent posted:If Scott Morrison did not exist the Liberal party would have to invent him. Everyone sitting on the government benches goes to bed at night thanking god they don't have the immigration portfolio.
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Negligent posted:On the other hand, having a Lebanese-Australian as the face of a despicable asylum regime would be Kafkaesque identity politics. British-Greek immigrant with Chinese girlfriend posted:"I came here as a Pommy bastard in 1968. My mother is Greek Orthodox. Some of my family is originally from Syria. They had to move out and were refugees in Egypt. Now I prefer Australian culture. That's why I'm here."
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