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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I wonder what Europe looked like before WWII
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Pakled posted:Second-largest religion in each country. Is this just going off citizens? I would guess Hinduism is the biggest in the UAE, aren't Indian immigrants like twice the population of actual citizens or something?
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Jun 8, 2014 22:40
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Badger of Basra posted:Is this just going off citizens? I would guess Hinduism is the biggest in the UAE, aren't Indian immigrants like twice the population of actual citizens or something? The Indians who go to the UAE are mostly Muslim.
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Jun 8, 2014 22:47
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Pakled posted:Second-largest religion in each country. It's bizarre that they went with the "others" label for Zambia since it is the only country that uses the color. It'd make much more sense to have just labelled it Baha'i.
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Jun 8, 2014 23:59
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fermun posted:It's bizarre that they went with the "others" label for Zambia since it is the only country that uses the color. It'd make much more sense to have just labelled it Baha'i.
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Jun 9, 2014 00:47
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Pakled posted:Second-largest religion in each country. Burma should definitely be Islam. The junta there hated the Muslims and stripped many of them of their citizenship and altered all the stats to pretend Islam was irrelevant (ah Buddhism, you religion of peace and tolerance). The official stats say Islam and Christianity share about 4% each but Muslim leaders say Islam could be as high as 20% and Christian leaders say 4% sounds about right so it's almost certainly Islam. God I went for a week and now I think I'm an expert  edit: lol Australias third, fourth and fifth are Islam > Hindu > Jedi duckmaster fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Jun 9, 2014 02:29
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Pakled posted:Second-largest religion in each country. East Asia look really weird, I guess because it's too syncretic and just going by what people identify as. If Shinto is number 2, what's number 1? Buddhism? They kinda practice a Shinto-Buddhism, where shrines and temples usually have temples and shrines in them respectively. And then Korea, China, Taiwan and Vietnam with Buddhism as number 2 looks really weird. I guess you've got more people identifying as Taoist or Confucian or Folk Religion? I mean there's more Buddhist temples and pagodas than any other places of worship in those countries. And is Mexico's number 2 also Buddhism? That's surprising. These maps are hard for me with colorblindness.
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Jun 9, 2014 04:54
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Korea's right, Christianity is the largest with Buddhism just a bit behind it. No religion is the largest group by far but I'm assuming that map is ignoring that category.
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Jun 9, 2014 04:58
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Grand Fromage posted:Korea's right, Christianity is the largest with Buddhism just a bit behind it. No religion is the largest group by far but I'm assuming that map is ignoring that category. I assume that only works if you bundle Catholicism with Christianity, which most Asians don't.
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Jun 9, 2014 05:13
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Bloodnose posted:I assume that only works if you bundle Catholicism with Christianity, which most Asians don't. Maybe the map wasn't made by an Asian  (Of course Roman catholicism is literally satan so they're right.)
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Jun 9, 2014 05:14
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Jun 9, 2014 05:18
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Baloogan posted:Why? I believe its a joke on the general attitude between the two groups. Catholics officially believe they don't have a monopoly on salvation and small-sect evangelical protestants believe Catholics worship the virgin mary and are funded by Satan themself. You'd think they'd be more polite after Catholics helped increase Italian American trade what with the direct tunnel dug between the Vatican and the Whitehouse back in the 60s.
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Jun 9, 2014 05:20
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Barudak posted:You'd think they'd be more polite after Catholics helped increase Italian American trade what with the direct tunnel dug between the Vatican and the Whitehouse back in the 60s. Why would Asians care about Italian American trade?
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Jun 9, 2014 05:22
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Baloogan posted:Why? Why do they not treat them as aspects of the same religion? I think it goes back to Catholicism's early history with Mateo Ricci and the other Jesuits in China. They brought Catholicism as 天主教, "The Religion of the Heavenly Lord." They packaged it in a way that would make it fit more into East Asian syncretism, sometimes going as far as to dress themselves in orange robes but generally making it fit into the contemporary cultural and religious landscape. When evangelical protestants showed up in the 19th century, they brought 基督教, "The Religion of Christ," so it was from the get-go known by a completely different name (as it remains today), and was packaged as a foreign, modern thing that could make your life better in lovely 19th century colonial Asia. It was also a gateway to the ruling colonial class, at least in British-controlled China.
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Perhaps that's why, but it doesn't explain why the idea that Catholicism isn't 'really' Christianity is a globally widespread one. In my experience, the attitude comes more from the evangelical side, and there's a bunch of excuses about 'worshipping saints as much as Jesus', 'having a different bible' (which is a straight-up falsehood) or 'treating the pope like he's God, like the Roman Emperors' (evangelicals really love playing up the Roman element of Catholicism). It's very prominent in the US (helpfully packaged with some anti-Hispanic racism, because those wetbacks don't worship White Jesus) but I've seen it across the western world, including here in Australia, so it doesn't surprise me that the rising Christian populations in parts of Asia are having some of the same old fights. I'd really underestimated the degree to which this occurred until recently. When I ran for office earlier this year, I attended a forum/debate hosted by the Australian Christian Lobby, where I mentioned that I'd grown up in a deeply Catholic family and attended church all through my childhood. A few people recoiled almost in disgust and one of the hosts told me later that Catholicism wasn't really Christianity, and nothing I could say to him about the similarities could convince him.
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Jun 9, 2014 06:11
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Tony Jowns posted:Perhaps that's why, but it doesn't explain why the idea that Catholicism isn't 'really' Christianity is a globally widespread one. In my experience, the attitude comes more from the evangelical side, and there's a bunch of excuses about 'worshipping saints as much as Jesus', 'having a different bible' (which is a straight-up falsehood) or 'treating the pope like he's God, like the Roman Emperors' (evangelicals really love playing up the Roman element of Catholicism). It's very prominent in the US (helpfully packaged with some anti-Hispanic racism, because those wetbacks don't worship White Jesus) but I've seen it across the western world, including here in Australia, so it doesn't surprise me that the rising Christian populations in parts of Asia are having some of the same old fights. Nah it's just all the child-rape 
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Tony Jowns posted:Perhaps that's why, but it doesn't explain why the idea that Catholicism isn't 'really' Christianity is a globally widespread one. In my experience, the attitude comes more from the evangelical side, and there's a bunch of excuses about 'worshipping saints as much as Jesus', 'having a different bible' (which is a straight-up falsehood) or 'treating the pope like he's God, like the Roman Emperors' (evangelicals really love playing up the Roman element of Catholicism). It's very prominent in the US (helpfully packaged with some anti-Hispanic racism, because those wetbacks don't worship White Jesus) but I've seen it across the western world, including here in Australia, so it doesn't surprise me that the rising Christian populations in parts of Asia are having some of the same old fights. (I would not be surprised if the idea of Catholicism not being Christianity was at least as old as Protestantism.)
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Tony Jowns posted:Perhaps that's why, but it doesn't explain why the idea that Catholicism isn't 'really' Christianity is a globally widespread one. In my experience, the attitude comes more from the evangelical side, and there's a bunch of excuses about 'worshipping saints as much as Jesus', 'having a different bible' (which is a straight-up falsehood) or 'treating the pope like he's God, like the Roman Emperors' (evangelicals really love playing up the Roman element of Catholicism). It's very prominent in the US (helpfully packaged with some anti-Hispanic racism, because those wetbacks don't worship White Jesus) but I've seen it across the western world, including here in Australia, so it doesn't surprise me that the rising Christian populations in parts of Asia are having some of the same old fights. Wow, I never heard of such a thing. Probably because the Lutheran Church is not too far away from the Catholic Church. US style evangelicals can be really crazy.
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Jun 9, 2014 06:26
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Yeah, attending a Catholic school as a kid, I basically learned that Protestants and Catholics were the two different "branches" of Christianity, where Catholics kept following the chain of authority passed down through the ages from Jesus Christ himself, while Protestants decided they hated rules and wanted to make up their own way to follow christ. So it's "two branches" where one is the real branch and the other is the one that wandered off but is still partly right.
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Jun 9, 2014 06:35
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Bloodnose posted:I assume that only works if you bundle Catholicism with Christianity, which most Asians don't. In any case Catholicism is a Christian religion. I'm sure some Catholics don't recognize Protestants as Christians.
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Jun 9, 2014 07:21
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Hell when John Kennedy was elected president in 1960 he was seen as being a "papist" who would sell us off to the vatican. Kind of how Obama is gonna impose sharia law (except obama isn't actually muslim)
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Jun 9, 2014 07:45
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What about Orthodox? Are they also not Christian since they too have saints?Peanut President posted:Kind of how Obama is gonna impose sharia law (except obama isn't actually muslim) That's because Kenyans are mostly Christian  Kurtofan posted:In any case Catholicism is a Christian religion. I'm sure some Catholics don't recognize Protestants as Christians. I never heard any Catholic saying this. The worst thing I heard was that Protestantism is a sect.
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Jun 9, 2014 07:59
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Kurtofan posted:In any case Catholicism is a Christian religion. I'm sure some Catholics don't recognize Protestants as Christians. No, I'm fairly certain all Catholics do. They might think of Protestants as WRONG Christians, but Catholics almost universally consider Lutheranism, Orthodoxy, Anglicanism... Different flavors of Christianity, rather than outright different religions.
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I'm surprised there are so many Mexican Buddhists. I figured that it would be either Islam or folk religions like the rest of Latin America, is there a significant Buddhist tradition in Mexico or is it mostly recent converts like those found in the US?
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I'd imagine they are either immigrants or the number of non Christians is so small the second largest religion isn't really that large. Edit: Just checked and if Wikipedia is to be believed there are only about 110,000 Mexican Buddhists.
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Pakled posted:Second-largest religion in each country. I wonder what kind of folk religion they have in Iceland, I thought they were pretty much 100% European stock. Old Norse religion?
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Torrannor posted:I wonder what kind of folk religion they have in Iceland, I thought they were pretty much 100% European stock. Old Norse religion? "From the 1970s, there has been a revival of Norse paganism in Iceland. As of 2014, the Ásatrúarfélagið had 2382 registered members, corresponding to 0.7% of the total population." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Iceland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81satr%C3%BAarf%C3%A9lagi%C3%B0
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Kennel posted:"From the 1970s, there has been a revival of Norse paganism in Iceland. As of 2014, the Ásatrúarfélagið had 2382 registered members, corresponding to 0.7% of the total population." Yeah when they don't count nonbelievers as a seperate faction it results in some very small movements being second in highly homogenous countries. I feel like if atheists were counted at least one country in Nortwest Europe would show that, but I'm not sure if that's right or where it is. Sweden?
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oldswitcheroo posted:Yeah when they don't count nonbelievers as a seperate faction it results in some very small movements being second in highly homogenous countries. I feel like if atheists were counted at least one country in Nortwest Europe would show that, but I'm not sure if that's right or where it is. Sweden? Estonia would turn red. They're overwhelmingly atheist. Christianity would be distant second.
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oldswitcheroo posted:Yeah when they don't count nonbelievers as a seperate faction it results in some very small movements being second in highly homogenous countries. I feel like if atheists were counted at least one country in Nortwest Europe would show that, but I'm not sure if that's right or where it is. Sweden? Depends how you ask the question. "I believe there is a God" and "I believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" gives different results. People who believe there is a life force may not define themselves as atheist even though they technically are. Some people also feel they're not atheists because they think it means giving a massive poo poo about non-belief and other people being religious. Anyway the numbers are all on Eurobarometer (p.381).
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Use one of the broader definitions of "atheist" it's entirely possible that Sweden would show up with christianity as the #2 belief.
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Bloodnose posted:Why do they not treat them as aspects of the same religion? I think it goes back to Catholicism's early history with Mateo Ricci and the other Jesuits in China. They brought Catholicism as 天主教, "The Religion of the Heavenly Lord." They packaged it in a way that would make it fit more into East Asian syncretism, sometimes going as far as to dress themselves in orange robes but generally making it fit into the contemporary cultural and religious landscape. This is similar in Korea, Catholicism arrived with the Jesuits and was persecuted away, and then later American missionaries came with crazy evangelical Protestantism and that took off bigtime in Korea. The two have entirely different names and most Koreans consider Protestants to be Christians and Catholics to be a different thing. Statistics don't care about that and put all the Jesusers in one box, which gives Christianity #1 status in Korea, with Buddhism following a few percent behind. Nonbelievers/other make up approximately half the country.
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Disco Infiva posted:What about Orthodox? Are they also not Christian since they too have saints?
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Tony Jowns posted:Perhaps that's why, but it doesn't explain why the idea that Catholicism isn't 'really' Christianity is a globally widespread one. In my experience, the attitude comes more from the evangelical side, and there's a bunch of excuses about 'worshipping saints as much as Jesus', 'having a different bible' (which is a straight-up falsehood) or 'treating the pope like he's God, like the Roman Emperors' (evangelicals really love playing up the Roman element of Catholicism). It's very prominent in the US (helpfully packaged with some anti-Hispanic racism, because those wetbacks don't worship White Jesus) but I've seen it across the western world, including here in Australia, so it doesn't surprise me that the rising Christian populations in parts of Asia are having some of the same old fights. You're surprised that there's an anti-Catholic bias in predominantly Protestant countries? It's funny because where I live Catholicism and Christianity are used as interchangeable terms and people are barely aware Protestantism is a thing. I know I've posted this before, but I once had to correct my mother when she said Bush Jr. was 'ultra-catholic' (she was trying to call him a typically American religious zealot). People just lack that sort of theological awareness, let alone any kind of animosity towards other denominations. I think I'd find it really disconcerting to live in a place where people actually care about poo poo like this. Is this the seventeenth century? It's so absurd it's hard to get offended over it. Uh, I'm going to stop now before I get accused of being an obnoxious Reddit atheist.
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Anyone who claims that the adherents of the Roman Papacy are Christian are the most insane heretics and ingrafters of heretical perversity. For is it not true that these villains, murderers, thieves, and renouncers of Christ practice that abominable abomination of idolatry, the consumption of the false bread god? The Italian War of 1542-6 (Northern Front):  Franco-Ottoman Siege of Nice:  The Schmalkaldic War:  Battle of Mühlberg: 
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Phlegmish posted:You're surprised that there's an anti-Catholic bias in predominantly Protestant countries?  I don't think it's being "an obnoxious Reddit atheist" to expect religious tolerance Farecoal fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Jun 9, 2014 19:43
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Some time ago, I came across this collection of anti-Catholic KKK political cartoons from the 1920s. It's pretty, uh, interesting.  This would have a very different message nowadays.  Uh, so, the Catholic Church wants to keep the Bible out of public schools?
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Phlegmish posted:You're surprised that there's an anti-Catholic bias in predominantly Protestant countries? I'd hardly call Australia (where sources disagree as to whether Protestant or Catholic is the bigger denomination, clearly it seems to be a matter of both semantics and which year the census occurred) 'predominantly' Protestant, and that's the biggest source of information I used in that post.
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Pakled posted:
Probably a fight over whether the Bible would be in English or Latin.
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Old James posted:Probably a fight over whether the Bible would be in English or Latin.
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