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Malcolm XML posted:it is Cybernetic Vermin posted:the 'well, java has *more* mvc frameworks and orms than the closest competitor lots of stupid posts itt see all of mine welcome to yospos
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Malcolm XML posted:yeah ok just browse nugget or something well i went to go look, and i was astounded to see the package count: 28k vs 78k. closer than i'd have ever guessed. then i actually looked at the 'packages' page on nuget: http://www.nuget.org/packages on the first page there are three actual open source libraries (json.net, antlr, and log4net). two of the three are java ports everything else is microsoft (12 items) or just random js crap packaged for use in asp.net (4). if this is at all representative of the nuget repo, that about says it all about .net's laughable "ecosystem" thank god i didn't have to wget boostrap!!!!
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Jun 8, 2014 16:36
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lol i just noticed it's sorted by recent installs so this is absolutely representative. out of the top 20 packages, only three are bona fide 3rd party libraries, and two of those are ports from java. gg
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Jun 8, 2014 16:37
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:bragging about whos hooker has more stds
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Jun 8, 2014 16:40
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:well i went to go look, and i was astounded to see the package count: 28k vs 78k. closer than i'd have ever guessed. then i actually looked at the 'packages' page on nuget: http://www.nuget.org/packages ok so i agree that .net infra is < java but what exists on java that doesn't in .net? I'm curious here like idc about some lovely servlet container or something i wanna know about some real big pkgs that just don't exist
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Jun 8, 2014 18:08
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:lol i just noticed it's sorted by recent installs so what is the problem with porting libraries? i mean whats the issue? if java did it better, then why not copy them?
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Jun 8, 2014 18:08
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Malcolm XML posted:ok so mvc/webapi is better than cfx/spring mvc in every way. java has 2 things that are better these days: Maven and spring-mybatis.
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Jun 8, 2014 18:12
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:lol i just noticed it's sorted by recent installs actually its the libs that u shouldn't use java for that are missing: game libs, ui libs, numerics libs (Math.NET is ok i guess, but it ain't colt) WPF is better than anything sun shat out use C++ for games.
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Jun 8, 2014 18:13
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Malcolm XML posted:so what is the problem with porting libraries? i mean whats the issue? if java did it better, then why not copy them? because people probably want c# native bindings and if there was any ecosystem to care about, integration into .net-specific things but there is no ecosystem so who cares
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Jun 8, 2014 18:17
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Malcolm XML posted:ok so the problem is not that there are no real big pkgs, it's that all big and important things come from microsoft, and they're supported or not at microsoft's whim
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Jun 8, 2014 18:18
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:because people probably want c# native bindings and if there was any ecosystem to care about, integration into .net-specific things lol show us on the doll where msft touched u
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Jun 8, 2014 18:26
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the problem is not that there are no real big pkgs, it's that all big and important things come from microsoft, and they're supported or not at microsoft's whim lmao do u know how much of a pita it is for ms to say it supports something? it means they will bend over backwards to deal with it esp if u pay cash money
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Jun 8, 2014 18:27
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Malcolm XML posted:lol i can't talk about it b/c that gets too close to real life. but yeah msft is not my favorite vendor, and i mos def wouldn't bet my business on anything from redmond. i do in fact like .net quite a lot. there was a time when i was a mono contributor. c# is rad. but being shackled to windows and microsoft and an "ecosystem" with nothing but a whale and some plankton is terrible
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Jun 8, 2014 18:31
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is there software that isn't supported at someone's whim? "I could take over Hibernate if I wanted!" seems implausible, but even if some nerd champion arose would their whim suit you? you always have to hope that the vendor's motivations match yours. this is an area where the jcp really helps, IMO, since it lets you see more of the values underlying design decisions as they surface during discussion. (I'm operating under the assumption that Oracle operates in good faith here and doesn't just dump take-it-or-leave-it work over the wall. Sun tried that with ECMA back in the day, and hilarity did not ensue.) Malcolm XML posted:take a request in, send a response out, its not that hard or interesting I, too, find implementing functions to be tedious and beneath my talents.
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Subjunctive posted:is there software that isn't supported at someone's whim? "I could take over Hibernate if I wanted!" seems implausible, but even if some nerd champion arose would their whim suit you? you always have to hope that the vendor's motivations match yours. 1. yeah, i have found myself supporting dead open source projects internally. it's unpleasant but preferable to the alternative. 2. re: hibernate specifically, much of hibernate's functionality is standardized in java EE. vendors have sworn to provide those APIs essentially forever. the JCP just works 3. "support" means less having a dude to call, and more "this thing is alive and other people are working with it." microsoft's product direction determines which apis they like this week, and if you bet big on something in the graveyard of broken toys, tough poo poo. microsoft is the contributor in the system, and if they're done with it, it's done.
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Jun 8, 2014 18:59
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Subjunctive posted:
there's nothing particularly enlightening about taking a service and serving it over http
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Jun 8, 2014 19:37
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Malcolm XML posted:there's nothing particularly enlightening about taking a service and serving it over http there's nothing particularly enlightening by doing the same with a 3270 greenscreen, either
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Jun 8, 2014 19:42
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Malcolm XML posted:actually its the libs that u shouldn't use java for that are missing: game libs, ui libs, numerics libs (Math.NET is ok i guess, but it ain't colt) ILNumerics? idk when i needed to do actual numerics in c# i got tired of everything being really slowand just p/invoked poo poo i wrote in c++ because holy crap that was painless also isnt unity c#? kind of a big game lib
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Jun 8, 2014 22:14
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:there's nothing particularly enlightening by doing the same with a 3270 greenscreen, either exactly most web jobs are making skins over a database, as tef would say it's what u do otherwise that's interesting, not that u managed to hook it up to a http server
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Jun 8, 2014 22:19
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setting up a REPL-like for java in eclipse using project builders: configure the external builder like this  and make it run during auto builds  now every time you edit and save that class it gets executed afterwards! things_eclipse_can_do_that_I_didn't_know_about.txt
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Jun 8, 2014 22:22
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Max Facetime posted:setting up a REPL-like for java in eclipse using project builders: how is saving a file and running it a repl
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Subjunctive posted:... Malcolm XML posted:there's nothing particularly enlightening about taking a service and serving it over http Notorious b.s.d. posted:there's nothing particularly enlightening by doing the same with a 3270 greenscreen, either it is every programmers right to look at their particular skills as god's gift to capitalism while the rest are idiot shitfuckers with no true programming skill every programmer is both the best and the worst
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Jun 9, 2014 01:11
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actually i harbor no delusions about being good at programming
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Jun 9, 2014 01:13
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b0lt posted:how is saving a file and running it a repl that's why I said "REPL-like" sure it starts afresh every time, but then again compared to real REPL that's better, actually
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Jun 9, 2014 01:19
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Malcolm XML posted:ok so a supported ZK client. curator on top of it netty asm you know, for when you need to do things more interesting than database skins. java has libraries
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Jun 9, 2014 01:22
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:actually i harbor no delusions about being good at programming give it time
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:actually i harbor no delusions about being good at programming
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I was a late bloomer but since I'm jesus-christ-old (33 this year), the 10000 have come and gone
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:a supported ZK client. curator on top of it https://www.nuget.org/packages/ZooKeeperNet/ netty idk if there's anything. probably the biggest missing thing asm -> Mono.CeCIL not doing it for you?
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Jun 9, 2014 09:34
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pointers posted:10000 hours  do not put faith in things that fall out of malcolm gladwell's mouth
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coffeetable posted:
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pointers posted:You take things too seriously dude. Perpetuating misleading bullshit is cool bro
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pointers posted:You take things too seriously dude
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taking something as complex as mastering a skill and boiling it down to a single figure that holds universally over all people and subjects is stupid and bad and damaging. its not "ten thousand hours of practice", its "some number of years of daily, challenging practice where you and a coach recognise your failures and work hard to correct them". if youve got a natural talent for it, the time period will be much shorter. if you're old, it'll take much longer. if you've mastered a related skill, itll come much easier. if youve got good teachers, it'll come much easier. most importantly, if you, like most people, just do the same fuxkong poo poo work for years on end without ever bothering to change it up, you'll never get anywhere. i think i might be paraphrasing tef here (who probably nicked it from someone else), but there's a huge difference between ten years of experience and one year of experience ten times over
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thanks for that post i wasn't aware of any of those concepts
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Max Facetime posted:setting up a REPL-like for java in eclipse using project builders: repl is a sign of bad language which is why java doesn't have one. also the content of that .txt is "litterrrallly anything".
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coffeetable posted:taking something as complex as mastering a skill and boiling it down to a single figure that holds universally over all people and subjects is stupid and bad and damaging. its not "ten thousand hours of practice", its "some number of years of daily, challenging practice where you and a coach recognise your failures and work hard to correct them". if youve got a natural talent for it, the time period will be much shorter. if you're old, it'll take much longer. if you've mastered a related skill, itll come much easier. if youve got good teachers, it'll come much easier. there no such thing as natural talent
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Jun 9, 2014 14:41
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Shaggar posted:there no such thing as natural talent Swr
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http://www.jetbrains.com/dbe/features/ for people who like jetbrains' stuff
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double sulk posted:http://www.jetbrains.com/dbe/features/ for people who like jetbrains' stuff i know writing queries can get a bit involved but is this really necessary?? i think people are treating dbs as a magic box a bit too much tbh
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