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The White God really seems to be special mojo considering what we know about him, but it doesn't necessarily mean he is the one true God. I wouldn't be surprised if Harry meets him someday. ... and he is of course Harry Dresden's time-travelling clone from an alternate dimension.
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Going through my re-read. We still don't have confirmation of who was behind the Hexenwolf belts in Fool Moon, correct? Apart from a general indication that it may have been Lord Raith, since 1) Raith was probably behind the events of Storm Front, 2) the Hexenwolves were told Harry was dangerous (thus aiming them at him somewhat indirectly), 3) the White Court operates indirectly, and 4) there seems to have been a Nemesis connection? Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Jun 9, 2014 00:05
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Going through my re-read. We don't know who gave them but they were under the influence of Nemesis, yes.
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Mooktastical posted:Post a picture of the cover 
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Jun 9, 2014 02:31
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Is that a soulpatch-a-like goatee? Ewwwwwwwwwwww
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Illuyankas posted:Is that a soulpatch-a-like goatee? Ewwwwwwwwwwww I think it's shadow.... Maybe.
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Illuyankas posted:Is that a soulpatch-a-like goatee? Ewwwwwwwwwwww Light goatee big soulpatch.
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Just started Grave Peril. I'm about 50 pages in and can already see how Butcher is improving as a writer. It's funnier, and more confident. But goddamn is Butcher capable of describing a woman in a non-creepy/misogynistic way? It's just so off-putting. Does he really have to describe the size and shape of the breasts of every new female character? electricsugar fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Jun 9, 2014 05:46
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electricsugar posted:But goddamn is Butcher capable of describing a woman in a non-creepy/misogynistic way? It's just so off-putting. Does he really have to describe the size and shape of the breasts of every new female character? It never really goes away but he does tone it down a little.
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ImpAtom posted:It never really goes away but he does tone it down a little. He also gets taken down a peg early(ish) and often by just about every supporting character. IMO, it boils down to Harry being a goony douche early on as a character flaw that he grows out of. He's not that way because Jim Butcher actually thinks like that.
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I wonder if, metaphorically speaking, Michael ended the book with a complimentary bag of peanuts or a copy of Skymall.
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Tunicate posted:I wonder if, metaphorically speaking, Michael ended the book with a complimentary bag of peanuts or a copy of Skymall. Micheal really wouldn't be the type to try anything like that, plus he lacks the knowledge of how to even go about doing anything other than what he always did as a Knight (though the bit where he shattered Imariel/Tessa might have been an instance of it, since Nicodemus was so shocked by it).
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Going through my re-read. Wait, where're you getting the Raith-Storm Front connection? I never picked up on that. whurps accidental mod edit sorry! Somebody fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Jun 9, 2014 12:32
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Screen Door Slams posted:Wait, where're you getting the Raith-Storm Front connection? I never picked up on that. It's subtly hinted in a few different ways. The biggest hint is that Victor Sell's previous employer was "SilverCo". Plus it fits the same MO as in Blood Rites, Sells uses lust to power his magic, the first two targets are direct competitors, etc. electricsugar posted:
Every other aspect of the series gets significantly better! Real answer: he gets slightly better about it but this is probably the area where he's shown the least improvement overall. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Tunicate posted:I wonder if, metaphorically speaking, Michael ended the book with a complimentary bag of peanuts or a copy of Skymall. Well I mean he did end up with something non-metaphorically speaking, and he didn't even want that, so I don't think he grabbed anything extra. If anything its just that his retirement plan may be better
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's subtly hinted in a few different ways. The biggest hint is that Victor Sell's previous employer was "SilverCo". Plus it fits the same MO as in Blood Rites, Sells uses lust to power his magic, the first two targets are direct competitors, etc. Huh, interesting. I never picked up on that. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Every other aspect of the series gets significantly better! I just finished reading Codex Alera (pretty damned good, but not as good as Dresden) and it, along with the Dresdenverse short stories that aren't narrated by Harry, really convinced me that the thing with women is an intentional character choice for Harry, and not a fault of Butcher's.
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Screen Door Slams posted:I just finished reading Codex Alera (pretty damned good, but not as good as Dresden) and it, along with the Dresdenverse short stories that aren't narrated by Harry, really convinced me that the thing with women is an intentional character choice for Harry, and not a fault of Butcher's. So Butcher at the very least acknowledges he's been putting on the creep pretty hard 
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I'm okay with not liking certain aspects of a character I like. That means he's well rounded. I think we should make a blog to address his constant supernatural shaming though.
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This isn't to defend or apologize for the objectification. But I'd much rather read a story filled with cheesecake than one that spends every line of physical description on character's ugliness. It's not hard to write a description of any given person as attractive or no, and this is pulp after all. Dresden is a pig, that's the point.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:This isn't to defend or apologize for the objectification. But I'd much rather read a story filled with cheesecake than one that spends every line of physical description on character's ugliness. It's not hard to write a description of any given person as attractive or no, and this is pulp after all. Dresden is a pig, that's the point. Counterpoint: Lancelot in The Once and Future King
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I'd like to put it to a vote. For those that have seen Butcher in person, is his answer of "Huh, that seems like an inconsistency" annoying or funny to you? I'm with the latter. Wasn't quite smug enough to annoy me.
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Captain Capacitor posted:I'd like to put it to a vote. For those that have seen Butcher in person, is his answer of "Huh, that seems like an inconsistency" annoying or funny to you? Funny.
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Captain Capacitor posted:I'd like to put it to a vote. For those that have seen Butcher in person, is his answer of "Huh, that seems like an inconsistency" annoying or funny to you? He says it with such a poo poo-eating smirk and barely-concealed glee that you know he's doing the equivalent of *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*. It's funny. Butcher is funny.
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docbeard posted:We also know almost nothing about Malcolm Dresden other than "stage magician" and "good people" and "probably murdered". (My gut tells me that his spirit is working for Uriel these days, but that's just speculation.) This is from a few pages back, but I haven't seen anyone respond to it yet. Either I am misremembering things pretty badly or at one point in Ghost Story there's a ghost desk cop (at the point where Uriel is telling Harry he could give up and not go back to his body and instead sign on as a ghost spook) which I vaguely remember as being implied that this was Harry's dad. Not sure if that's something I should be spoilering, but whatever, just in case. Maybe I should go back and read Ghost Story again.
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Fried Chicken posted:Funny. Yes.
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I should probably re-read Ghost Story. I skimmed past a lot of stuff in it.
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Captain Capacitor posted:I'd like to put it to a vote. For those that have seen Butcher in person, is his answer of "Huh, that seems like an inconsistency" annoying or funny to you? Funny, it drives people nuts and watching them all freak out in speculation entertains me. I'm pretty sure on his own website he states he enjoys doing that to people too.
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WarLocke posted:This is from a few pages back, but I haven't seen anyone respond to it yet. Wasn't it Murphy's dad that was the ghost cop? Though I haven't read it in quite a while either so I could certainly be mistaken.
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Dramatika posted:Wasn't it Murphy's dad that was the ghost cop? Yeah, no, the character that was literally named "Captain Murphy" doesn't need to be spoiled in a discussion about whether the person was Dresden's dad or not.
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Wade Wilson posted:Yeah, no, the character that was literally named "Captain Murphy" doesn't need to be spoiled in a discussion about whether the person was Dresden's dad or not. Murphy and Harry have the same dad. He lead a double life as a full time investigator in Chciago and a travelling stage magician. Butcher is setting up for a giant "Leia's your sister" moment. Harry and Ramirez OTP.
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Like I said, it's been a while. Harry is obviously Murphy's dad, as well as McCoy's dad.
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Okay, I finished my re-read. A couple more things. In case of new readers of the series, spoiler for Cold days and further: 1) Has anyone noticed not only that the mantles seem to always be taken by people who are mortal (or half mortal?). And have you noticed that none of the people wearing the minor mantles actually *wanted* it? Even Fix didn't want the Summer Knight mantle for itself, he only wanted it because of Lily. Sarissa didn't want it. Molly didn't want it. Harry didn't want it.... 2) I had a huge lightbulb go off when I reread the section on the holy artifacts and the "real" Shroud. Could Demeter's daughter Persephone be the one who is resurrected "from the dead"? 3) Oh. Hi. Good.  I would have loved more on the air spirit, but honestly, after Butters! it really would have been anticlimactic.I saw a guess that Peace Talks would be out in August 2015. I am half-wondering if it will be a Christmas release if he gets at all delayed 
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Zola posted:Okay, I finished my re-read. The Knights at least have to be mortal; they're literally the Faerie courts' mortal representatives, is how I understand it. The Lady/Queen/Hag (though I'd be shocked to see Hags change hands) mantles go to the most faerie-connected person in the vicinity - I assume most such transfers are much more planned than those that have happened recently - and a lot less common... As for the not wanting it thing... I don't think anybody really does; they seem to come with WAAAY the hell more responsibility than power, and corrupt the gently caress out of what you used to be to turn you into what they are. It's like politicians, the people who want the mantles are the last people who should get them.
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thespaceinvader posted:The Knights at least have to be mortal; they're literally the Faerie courts' mortal representatives, is how I understand it. I don't think most people who take up the Summer/Winter Mantles know nearly as much as Harry did going into it. They probably don't hear about the responsibilities and the danger until after they sign up.
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thespaceinvader posted:The Knights at least have to be mortal; they're literally the Faerie courts' mortal representatives, is how I understand it. Supposedly Mother Summer has changed once when the previous one abdicated, but Mother Winter is the original.
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Fried Chicken posted:Supposedly Mother Summer has changed once when the previous one abdicated, but Mother Winter is the original. Yeah, it seems the further down the totem pole you go the more turnover there is. We know there have been at least two Queens per court, at least 3 Ladies (though odds are probably more than that since Maeve was only two hundred years old and Mab/Titania have been around for more than a thousand years if the Hastings comment is anything to go by) and then dozens or hundreds of knights.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Real answer: he gets slightly better about it but this is probably the area where he's shown the least improvement overall. To be fair, objectifying descriptions of women are a staple of the detective novels that inspired Dresden. After the first couple of books Butcher shifts away from Harry being horribly fedora-in-the-2010s goony about women and brings him more into line with fedora-in-the-30s PIs, and from there on it's not so noticable. And then Skin Game, which has that one scene which really didn't need to go into so much goddamn detail.
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Roger Tangerines posted:To be fair, objectifying descriptions of women are a staple of the detective novels that inspired Dresden. After the first couple of books Butcher shifts away from Harry being horribly fedora-in-the-2010s goony about women and brings him more into line with fedora-in-the-30s PIs, and from there on it's not so noticable. Yeah the problem is that in Skin Game and Cold Days he just sortof went off the deep end with the objectification. Nothing in Skin Game was as unnecessary as the "vajazzling."
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It was so bad in Cold Days that I barely noticed it in Skin Game. I really hope I never have to read about Dresden explaining how he isn't going to rape someone (even though he really wants to) ever again.
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