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InitialDave posted:The current attitude of elitism being expressed here with regard to BMWs is very disappointing. I expect better from people. I can't even tell if you're sarcastic anymore. Didn't you ask earlier about "who the gently caress buys a Golf when you can get a *premium brand* car?  "
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I can't even tell if you're sarcastic anymore. Didn't you ask earlier about "who the gently caress buys a Golf when you can get a *premium brand* car? The Golf GTi vs M135i thing is serious, though not for reasons. Discussing for the only market I have good knowledge of, and the one I would purchase a car in, I don't see why anyone would spend about £28k on a GTi when you can have a similarly-specced M135i for £2k more.I don't think of BMW as a premium brand in the sense of "poors will be jealous of you" sense (and frankly I loving hate people who buy BMWs for that reason), but in the sense that I've sat in both, and the BMW feels better quality. I only mentioned image as a factor because I was referencing the discussion about Lincoln being able to compete in a sector where image is important, not because the image matters to me personally. If I have a sense of elitism about it, it's drivetrain layout snobbery rather than badge snobbery. InitialDave fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Jun 8, 2014 23:33
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InitialDave posted:I was pretty certain my last post was obviously taking the piss blatantly enough for almost anyone to work it out. Well, you *are* InitialDave, grumpy young man extraordinaire. And I do agree on just letting "Mini" as we know it today just die.
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Jun 8, 2014 23:44
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So..what's up guys? Don't know what we're discussing now (How lovely the 1 series is or something) but how about that Fiesta ST? I keep checking them out and I like. Think I might wait for the to start popping up used for a price that isn't basically MSRP.
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Jun 8, 2014 23:52
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Well, you *are* InitialDave, grumpy young man extraordinaire.  travisray2004 posted:So..what's up guys? Don't know what we're discussing now (How lovely the 1 series is or something) but how about that Fiesta ST? I keep checking them out and I like. Think I might wait for the to start popping up used for a price that isn't basically MSRP.
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Jun 8, 2014 23:55
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There are 3 new fiesta STs in alberta, and they're all listed at over $29k. That doesn't bode well for a lot of used ones being available.
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Jun 9, 2014 00:07
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Powershift posted:There are 3 new fiesta STs in alberta, and they're all listed at over $29k. That doesn't bode well for a lot of used ones being available. Granted it's slightly more practical than a V6 Mustang, but... what the gently caress?
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Jun 9, 2014 00:09
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PT6A posted:Granted it's slightly more practical than a V6 Mustang, but... what the gently caress? Artificial scarcity. Same thing with the tremor. Either ford or the dealers decided there would only be 100 ford tremors sold in canada. So what is a $18,000 truck with $15,000 in options and a $40,000 sticker they want $50,000 for. Dealers are scumbags, moreso when they work so closely together so as not to compete with eachother.
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Jun 9, 2014 00:21
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Goddamn, that kind of makes me appreciate my local dealer. There's an ST there for I THINK 23k. Although I did see one in the exact same color driving around earlier today so it might have already sold.
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Jun 9, 2014 00:45
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Powershift posted:Artificial scarcity. Same thing with the tremor. Either ford or the dealers decided there would only be 100 ford tremors sold in canada. So what is a $18,000 truck with $15,000 in options and a $40,000 sticker they want $50,000 for. The dealers will only sell vehicles for what people will pay for them, otherwise they'll go out of business. Who supposes they need a Fiesta ST so badly that they'd pay more for it than a well-equipped Mustang V6? The consumer is part of the problem, too (same with high-end makers like Land Rover selling "scarce" cars above MSRP -- as long as they are selling them, why would they accept less?).
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Jun 9, 2014 02:33
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Nidhg00670000 posted:I can't even tell if you're sarcastic anymore. Didn't you ask earlier about "who the gently caress buys a Golf when you can get a *premium brand* car? I went from a 5 series BMW to a VW Golf* because I am my own man  travisray2004 posted:So..what's up guys? Don't know what we're discussing now (How lovely the 1 series is or something) but how about that Fiesta ST? I keep checking them out and I like. Think I might wait for the to start popping up used for a price that isn't basically MSRP. Pretty sure the Fiesta ST (along with the Focus ST) is one of the best cars a typical AI type can buy new, especially taking in performance vs. cost vs. practicality.
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Jun 9, 2014 04:37
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I found the Fiesta ST to be a good car to drive, but it has no character. I'd have a 500 Abarth every time, power deficit and sloppy shifter be damned. Add the big price difference between them here in Canada and it's a no brainer for me.
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Jun 9, 2014 04:47
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InitialDave posted:The current attitude of elitism being expressed here with regard to BMWs is very disappointing. I expect better from people. This, but unironically. Same for Mercedes and Volvo.
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Jun 9, 2014 06:21
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Powershift posted:That thread title only exists because i was taking the piss out of hotcanadianchick, don't use it against me. Does it really count if you were making me laugh my rear end off?  InitialDave posted:If I have a sense of elitism about it, it's drivetrain layout snobbery rather than badge snobbery. I feel the same way. Badge snobs/brand fanboys bug the gently caress outta me. Before I bought my current car (BMW), I was cross shopping MR2s and Miatas. The BMW didnt win my purchase because of the badge, it won because it was just as fun to drive, but had four seats. Stick, RWD, enough power to get out of it's own way, decent handling, pretty much all I really care about. Militant Lesbian fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Jun 9, 2014 08:59
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Open source electric cars? Elon Musk says he might release a few of Teslas inventions to the market and help competition vs petrol cars. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27741041 quote:Tesla boss Elon Musk has given the strongest hint yet that the firm is considering "freeing" its patents to help speed up electric car development.
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Jun 9, 2014 10:26
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PeterWeller posted:Nah, the new Fit is near to or best in class in every single measurable metric, and despite being a little softer than the last one, is still considered one of the best driver's cars in the class. if you're shopping in that class for the best driver's car you should be executed I'd smack anyone who touted its sporty capabilities e- also Honda is currently leading the "interior made of the cheapest plastics" category
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Jun 9, 2014 12:17
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Apparently, the new S-class coupe will lean into corners for "increasing pleasure for the driver and passengers". http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1092532_mercedes-details-2015-s-class-coupes-curve-tilting-function Soon, cars will no longer lean the wrong way under cornering. E: As the resident frankautophile, it behooves me to point out that Citroën had a similar system in the early 90s. The Xantia Activa was capable of cornering completely flat, and was faster through the infamous moose test than a Porsche 911 GT2 (996). They originally made the system lean into corners like the above-mentioned Mercedes system, but scrapped it again and stuck with flat cornering because drivers reported that it felt disconcerting. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Jun 9, 2014 14:40
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VikingSkull posted:if you're shopping in that class for the best driver's car you should be executed Heh, loving poors thinking they have any right to enjoy what they drive.
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Jun 9, 2014 17:05
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KozmoNaut posted:Apparently, the new S-class coupe will lean into corners for "increasing pleasure for the driver and passengers".
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Jun 9, 2014 19:50
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EnergizerFellow posted:I thought the optional S-class active suspension has had a version of this since the W140 S600? I know Land Rover has been using something similar on various Range Rovers and Discoveries since 99 or so. I think the W140 had hydropneumatic rear suspension only. The W220 got air suspension on all four wheels, but it only gave level cornering and didn't actively lean into corners.
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Jun 9, 2014 20:00
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VikingSkull posted:if you're shopping in that class for the best driver's car you should be executed What's wrong with wanting your shitbox to be a decent driver? And Honda has been turning it around on the cheap plastics front. They bottomed out with the last Fit and Civic, and the newer cars have gotten significantly nicer. Also, the cheap hard plastic in my '08 Si still look like new after 6 years in the Texas sun, while the nice soft touch stuff in my garage-kept 2000 GTI looked like poo poo in just 2 years.
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Jun 9, 2014 22:17
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PeterWeller posted:What's wrong with wanting your shitbox to be a decent driver? The old Mk4/5 Fiestas, for instance ('96 to early 2000s). Completely underpowered, but a very nice chassis you can drive like a complete tit constantly.
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Jun 9, 2014 22:49
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I think the 1st gen Infiniti Q45 did something similar with its suspension. The left front and right rear (and vice versa) shocks were linked to allow the car to remain flat during cornering. Here's a link to an ad for it: http://books.google.ca/books?id=SPw...ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Jun 9, 2014 22:55
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PeterWeller posted:What's wrong with wanting your shitbox to be a decent driver? Nothing. Point is I don't think the Fit is close to bring top of class there - I know a lot of the better small cars don't make it to the States but you get the 2 and the Fiesta both of which are much better to drive.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I think the 1st gen Infiniti Q45 did something similar with its suspension. The left front and right rear (and vice versa) shocks were linked to allow the car to remain flat during cornering. BMW has had the same thing for years, Electronic adjustable Dampers (shocks) aka DDC and Electronic adjustable sway bars aka ARS and if you get them both it's called Adaptive Drive or Dynamic Handling or whatever their buzzword generator created for that model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Y4SIlDSIM
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Jun 10, 2014 03:22
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All I can see when I watch that video is a grim future full of really expensive repair bills.
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Jun 10, 2014 03:27
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Guinness posted:All I can see when I watch that video is a grim future full of really expensive repair bills. This is my car xenophobia coming out but when I see something like that my reaction is if the Japanese didn't make that I don't want it.
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Jun 10, 2014 04:36
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Just wait, twenty years from now Japanese cars will be relative shitheaps coasting along on a reputation for engineering excellence built decades in the past and everyone but Toyota fanboys in denial will recognize the Koreans as the global leaders in automotive engineering excellence.
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Jun 10, 2014 04:41
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Wheeee posted:Just wait, two years from now Japanese cars will be relative shitheaps coasting along on a reputation for engineering excellence built decades in the past and everyone but Toyota fanboys in denial will recognize the Koreans as the global leaders in automotive engineering excellence. Better.
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Jun 10, 2014 05:25
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KillHour posted:Better. Except Mazda, because Mazda supremacy.
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Wheeee posted:Just wait, twenty years from now Japanese cars will be relative shitheaps coasting along on a reputation for engineering excellence built decades in the past and everyone but Toyota fanboys in denial will recognize the Koreans as the global leaders in automotive engineering excellence. I think everyone (Koreans included) will start do de-contented, cheaper to produce versions of their cars for the US domestic market.
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KillHour posted:Better. and, at that point, we will recognize Chery and Geely as promising upstarts
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Guinness posted:All I can see when I watch that video is a grim future full of really expensive repair bills. That's why most people that buy them new have a 3-year turn and burn lease while maintenance/warranty basically cover anything. The second owner assumes increased risk and the 3rd/4th owners get their asses handed to them.
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Alfa released their initial dealer points today. I hope this works. Somehow, zero are in Massachusetts, Maine or NH, but there is one in Williston, VT 
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Jun 10, 2014 20:53
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I'm surprised they're skipping alberta. seems like a big moneyed up market to ignore.
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Powershift posted:I'm surprised they're skipping alberta. seems like a big moneyed up market to ignore. When I was there four years ago, the money seemed to go to the most expensive BOF truck that one could find. It's just an initial list, anyway - FCA suggests they'll open about 300 total points once they have a full lineup Which will never loving happen RIP Alfa 2.0
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Powershift posted:I'm surprised they're skipping alberta. seems like a big moneyed up market to ignore. no bro trucks in the lineup, no point.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:05
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Linedance posted:no bro trucks in the lineup, no point. I didn't realize all those GT-Rs, corvettes, and high end bmws driving around are bro trucks.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:09
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Powershift posted:I didn't realize all those GT-Rs, corvettes, and high end bmws driving around are bro trucks. Bro truck's in the shop, suspension broke again.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Alfa released their initial dealer points today. I hope this works. Mass didn't get one on RT1 Norwood where the Fiat dealer complex is? Or even down the road at the Maserati/Ferrari place? They have a ton of land! But bumfuck Vermont gets one. More than plenty of jerks with money in the Boston area, what gives Alfa?
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