The Ape of Naples posted:

Ok, not a Wikipedia article but this counts as creepy to me even though I'm sure there is a plausible explanation. Sorry, the source is the NY Daily News so take it with a grain of salt.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/great-white-shark-possibly-eaten-larger-mystery-animal-article-1.1821781

The Ape of Naples posted:

Ok, not a Wikipedia article but this counts as creepy to me even though I'm sure there is a plausible explanation. Sorry, the source is the NY Daily News so take it with a grain of salt.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/great-white-shark-possibly-eaten-larger-mystery-animal-article-1.1821781

13Pandora13 posted:

It's giant cannibal shark

The Ape of Naples posted:

Well, that's sorted. Sharks that big have been found before.

The Ape of Naples posted:

Ok, not a Wikipedia article but this counts as creepy to me even though I'm sure there is a plausible explanation. Sorry, the source is the NY Daily News so take it with a grain of salt.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/great-white-shark-possibly-eaten-larger-mystery-animal-article-1.1821781

quote:

“The fight lasted over two hours,” Selby said. “The orcas came in in groups of four or five and tried to separate the whales and drown the baby. They would pulse forward in an attacking line four or five abreast and dive under and on top of the whales.

“The mother fought valiantly. The whales rolled and flailed at their assailants.

“The calf tried to stay on the back of her mom, hooking her tail over mom’s spine, tucking in her flipper so the orcas could not grab them, and even draping her body on top of mom,” Selby said. “Mom fought and fought. We could just see the baby on top of her, often out of the water. The orcas tried to swim between them and dove under and rushed to the surface, pummeling her from below.”

It took a series of prolonged assaults, coming in wave after wave, but they finally succeeded.

With the calf pushed to the side of its mother, the orcas then dragged the baby whale below the surface and drowned it, Selby said.

“I’ve been around enough to know that nature is cruel, but it was hard to watch,” he said.

A feeding spectacle

The orcas then took turns feeding, where they dove down in small groups to take their turns. All the while, the orcas put on a show where they breached, tail slapped. “It was like they were celebrating their victory,” Selby said.

The mother gray whale abandoned the area quickly. Four big humpbacks showed up to see what was going on, Selby said, and were then harassed by the orcas.

13Pandora13 posted:

There's some youtube home videos in the comments of people out fishing or whatever with giant fuckoff sharks circling the boat. Nopenopenope.

They totally know how to take down a boat.

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The film shows at least one sedated but not anesthetized baboon with his wrists and ankles tied, strapped to an operating table, his shaved head secured with dental cement inside a helmet. A hydraulic device known as Penn 2 slams the baboon's head from behind, pushing it forward at a 60-degree angle with a force of what the researchers said was up to 1000 g, apparently intended to simulate whiplash.

While one baboon was being injured on the operating table by the hydraulic device, the camera panned to a brain-damaged, drooling monkey strapped into a high chair in a corner of the room, with the words "Cheerleading in the corner, we have B-10. B-10 wishes his counterpart well. As you can see, B-10 is still alive. B-10 is hoping for a good result," followed by laughter.

Supreme Allah posted:

An 8 foot white would be like a snack to a couple of Orca.

Here is an article on Orca, Assholes of the Seas.

http://blog.sfgate.com/stienstra/2014/04/26/orcas-attack-gray-whales-in-monterey-bay-11-pics/



There are many more descriptions and videos of Orca attacks, and they all have their own proclivities and preferences. There is even one specific clan that is said to make a delicacy of sperm whale tongue. If anything in the ocean is unnerving it's these fellas.

Wikipedia posted:

Kansas City's natural disaster response team, known as "Operation Bulldozer," was also summoned to the scene with earthmoving equipment, but was quickly sent away to make room for cranes that would lift the sections of walkway off the trapped survivors. Dr. Joseph Waeckerle, former chief of Kansas City's emergency medical system, directed the rescue effort establishing a makeshift morgue in a ground floor exhibition area, using the hotel's taxicab driveway as a triage area and helping to organize the wounded by greatest need for medical care. Those people who could walk were instructed to leave the hotel to simplify the rescue effort; those mortally injured were told they were going to die and given morphine. Often, rescuers had to dismember bodies in order to reach survivors among the wreckage. One victim's right leg was trapped under an I-beam and had to be amputated by a surgeon, a task which was completed with a chain saw.

Wikipedia posted:

those mortally injured were told they were going to die

Hummingbirds posted:

Is this standard practice? I don't see why you would want to freak out a dying person by telling them they are dying.

bulletsponge13 posted:

In the .mil MASSCAS training we ere told ignore those who were expectant. Its lovely, but in those events, the time it takes to explain it or hold someone's hand through it, two more just dropped from urgent to expectant.
Personally, if I am going to die, just loving tell me and move on to save the next guy.

Jack Gladney posted:

Orcas and dolphins like to play and carry out complex tasks that involve teamwork, some of it whimsical and some of it horrific, and they don't really seem to care either way. It's apparently common for them to kill lone sharks and leave the body. There are stories of dolphins and orcas protecting rafts and swimmers from sharks or carrying sailors back to their boats or the shore when they've gone overboard. Stories like this make me wonder if there are an equal number of incidents with sailors gone overboard and eaten as a snack, or rafts deliberately sunk in a spirit of fun and cooperation by one of the few species on this planet that approach sapience. Because of course in those cases, there would be nobody left to tell the story.

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"Audio recordings of Lovatt's progress, meticulously archived on quarter-inch tapes at the time, capture the energy that Lovatt brought to the experiment – doggedly documenting Peter's progress with her twice-daily lessons and repeatedly encouraging him to greet her with the phrase 'Hello Margaret'. "'M' was very difficult," she remembers. "My name. Hello 'M'argaret. I worked on the 'M' sound and he eventually rolled over to bubble it through the water. That 'M', he worked on so hard."

quote:

"Man and Dolphin extrapolated Mary Lilly's initial observations of dolphins mimicking human voices, right through to teaching them to speak English and on ultimately to a Cetacean Chair at the United Nations, where all marine mammals would have an enlightening input into world affairs, widening our perspectives on everything from science to history, economics and current affairs.

Mr. Flunchy posted:

moller posted:

Hold on, so they were giving dolphins LSD and then babbling at them in blackface?

quote:

"Solid State Intelligence

Solid State Intelligence (SSI) is a malevolent entity described by Lilly (see The Scientist). According to Lilly, the network of computation-capable solid state systems (electronics) engineered by humans will eventually develop (or has already developed) into an autonomous life-form. Since the optimal survival conditions for this life-form (low-temperature vacuum) are drastically different from those needed by humans (room temperature aerial atmosphere and adequate water supply), Lilly predicted (or "prophesised", based on his ketamine-induced visions) a dramatic conflict between the two forms of intelligence.[citation needed]

MAKE NO BABBYS posted:

I was going to say, isn't that basically what "triage" is? Assess, treat in order of necessity and those who are treatable, make comfortable those who can't be saved, then take care of minor boo boos

moller posted:

Hold on, so they were giving dolphins LSD and then babbling at them in blackface?

A Pinball Wizard posted:

I don't think the issue is so much declaring someone a lost cause as telling them they're a lost cause. If you know they're going to die anyway can't you just load them up on morphine, pat their hand and say "we'll come check on you soon" and leave it at that?

HaB posted:

Errrr....no. Since I actually read the whole article - there were 3 dolphins total. The lady in question chose the young male to work with because he never had any language training before. When Lilly got into LSD, she insisted that her dolphin NOT be given any. It apparently didn't affect the dolphins at all anyway.

I saw no mention of facepaint - at least not from her. She did basically live in isolation with the dolphin 6 days a week (the 7th he was with the other 2 dolphins).

She did um..."relieve" his tensions. But for SCIENCE, tho.

Actually a pretty interesting read. Science experiments from the 40s/50s/60s always fascinate me because it's amazing and often hilarious to read about what people got funding for. I also love the whole seat-of-the-pants approach they took to their work. The girl mentioned in that article had no formal training. She went to that facility because she heard they had dolphins there, and a book she read as a kid about a talking cat made her want to teach an animal to speak. She had enough of a knack for observing/understanding dolphin behavior, they told her to come back whenever. So she did.

Accordion Man posted:

It's pretty disturbing in general that the animals that are closer to sapience tend to be psychopathic assholes, i.e. dolphins and chimps.

Mr. Flunchy posted:

The facepaint thing comes from another article I read about the same experiments:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/10860676/The-woman-who-lived-in-sin-with-a-dolphin.html

And it's white greasepaint with black lipstick according to thaat.

A Pinball Wizard posted:

I don't think the issue is so much declaring someone a lost cause as telling them they're a lost cause. If you know they're going to die anyway can't you just load them up on morphine, pat their hand and say "we'll come check on you soon" and leave it at that?

Withdrawal Plans posted:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse

A real bad engineering decision killed 114 people in Kansas City in 1981.

MissEchelon posted:

For content, here's a perennial favourite: Albert Fish. Cannibal and general shitheel. Article includes an excerpt from that dreadful letter he sent the mother of the child he ate.

Neo_Crimson posted:

Speaking of cannibals, here's a particular one that especially makes my blood boil: Issei Sagawa

Basically this dude kills and eats a Dutch girl, gets away with only 2 years of detainment because his dad is rich and is now a free man. Hell, the guy is even a minor celebrity and has made money off book deals and films about his life.

Edit: Apparently since his parents died, he's been in and out of welfare because he can't get a job because no one rightly wants to hire a cannibal.

HaB posted:

I guess what you have to decide is which is more traumatizing?

I personally would rather be told, and made comfortable. At least that way I can mentally prepare - inasmuch as that's actually possible to do.

Being told "we'll be back to check on you in a bit" and then sitting there waiting, feeling worse and worse until your life slips away to me would be far worse. I wouldn't want my last thoughts to be something like "WHY DIDNT THEY COME BACK TO SAVE ME??? I'M DYING BECAUSE THEY NEVER CAME BACK!!!"

bulletsponge13 posted:

In the .mil MASSCAS training we ere told ignore those who were expectant. Its lovely, but in those events, the time it takes to explain it or hold someone's hand through it, two more just dropped from urgent to expectant.
Personally, if I am going to die, just loving tell me and move on to save the next guy.

duckmaster posted:

Personally if some doctor came up to me as I was bleeding out of the stump where my legs used to be and said, "Well it seems some builders round here don't know how science works. Would you like to speak to an imaginary man in the sky or just go straight for the morphine?" then they can motherfucking load me up.

benito posted:

I've always been creeped out by drugs like Midazolam. It and a few other drugs induce anterograde amnesia. Let's say you're in a car accident. Your leg is horribly broken and the medic can't anesthetize you. He can give you one of these drugs, set the bone causing tremendous pain, and in ten minutes you'll have forgotten everything. That might be a good thing, but if you were a drunk driver who killed a kid in your wreck, would it help you reform to erase that moment from your life?

Different scenario: Cop beats the crap out of you to get a confession to a crime you didn't commit. He administers the medication so you forget who he is, or even that you confessed under duress. As you're rotting away in jail, you have no idea why you are there.

Use of these drugs is a big medical ethics question. "We need to inject scorpion venom into you because it's the only thing that will save you. But we'll give you a shot that will erase the memory forever." Ok... "I accidentally chopped your dick off during a mole removal, but you'll wake up in the shower holding a razor so it looks like you did it yourself."

Jack Gladney posted:

It's sometimes used as a sedative too, so who knows how many malpractice suits have been averted simply because the memory vanishes. Still, if the anesthetist hosed up and I woke up in the middle of surgery, I'd sure want to forget that. The other way to put it is: who knows how many life-destroying traumas have been erased?

duckmaster posted:

I didn't mean to be edgy, I just wouldn't want those horrible few seconds between being told I'm going to die and being comatose on morphine

But people have their beliefs and if that makes them a bit more comfortable then more power to them. I suppose it would be a good chance to pass a message onto my family so maybe I would want to speak to the priest. Then of course there's Pascals Wager, so yeh give me my absolution and I'll try to justify my life of sin and debauchery when I get up there and meet the big man.