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Captain Pissweak posted:Hypation for your own sake I hope your post was ironic. poo poo - its the long weekend... It made me break out in left-wing-ness. But that and Tony on climate pissed me off.
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doc spaceman has a point about canadia it's very very symptomatic of the level of discourse among the general public in this country - people have vaugely decided they dislike tony abbot, but only about 10% of the population could explain to you the ideological difference (on paper) between Libs and Lab, or name even one of tone's policies beyond "scrap the tax" and "ax the boats" so instead you get people ridiculing him on a personal level. It's very symptomatic of the void of political consciousness - they get the sense that he's an rear end in a top hat but don't know why, so instead joke about lizard man and canadia and nigel no friends
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Hypation posted:poo poo - its the long weekend... It made me break out in left-wing-ness. But that and Tony on climate pissed me off. You posted a coherent argumant against a youtube troll post, think about that for a moment. The "debate the post to support others in understanding" says good post though. You are my favourite conservative on here. To revive teacher chat. Over 160 permenant jobs are up for DECD in south australia right now. http://www.decd.sa.gov.au/hr/pages/jobscareers/schooljobssearch/ KennyTheFish fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 03:21
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I don't even think watermelon's exist, anyone who is 'red' pretty much admits as much. The vast, vast majority of greens are just green though.
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Jun 10, 2014 03:32
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rudatron posted:I don't even think watermelon's exist, anyone who is 'red' pretty much admits as much. The vast, vast majority of greens are just green though. But but but but that one greens senator used to be in the communist party therefore all greens are commie pinkos hiding under the bed
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Jun 10, 2014 03:34
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marxist under your bed
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Frogmanv2 posted:I thought that casuals who have done the same job for more than 6 months could apply to become permanent, and it was up to the employer to show why they shouldn't. Does that not apply to teachers? The problem is that as a casual staff member there is very strong incentive to not rock the boat at all if you think your employer will see you as a trouble-maker.
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Frogmanv2 posted:But but but but that one greens senator used to be in the communist party therefore all greens are commie pinkos hiding under the bed Gillard was another one ... Oh that's just a slightly different shade of red. rudatron posted:I don't even think watermelon's exist, anyone who is 'red' pretty much admits as much. The vast, vast majority of greens are just green though. Greens policies on things other than environment are pretty Red. From starting as a single issue campaigner (Tasmanian Dams Case etc) they had their core in environmental policy. However the Greens extended their platform to encompass 'red' social policies. At that time voters (who are typically disconnected with politics - their fault) incorrectly still saw them as a single issue 'environmental' party and voted for them not knowing about the broader social agenda. The Liberal Party's watermelon rhetoric was about calling out the Greens for using their environmental credentials to gain votes for a much wider and more profound socialist agenda that they were not spruiking to the general electorate. Now you could say we've moved on and "Green" means Red socialist agenda plus Green environmental issues. But Greens environmental policies still resonate better with a more diverse voter base so it is still pushed harder than other parts of their platform. This notwithstanding there are individual policies where the Greens are campaigning hard on: eg The ALP jumped ship to the Liberals on boats giving the Greens the entirety of the left on that issue- which is good for politics because it highlights that there is more to being a Green than the environment.
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Senor Tron posted:The problem is that as a casual staff member there is very strong incentive to not rock the boat at all if you think your employer will see you as a trouble-maker. This, also an odd story on people going from casual to full time, at a company I once worked for a full time employee asked if she could go casual again, after being off sick on and off for an extended period of time. She was made casual again, as per her request, and promptly fired. To this day, I cannot work out why anyone would think asking to go casual, after having made yourself somewhat noticable in the work place, would be a great idea.
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The watermelon argument relies on a belief that the Greens are keeping their non-environmental policies a secret. They aren't, anyone who's interested can easily access them on the Greens website. Their non-environmental policies aren't even close to communism anyway.
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Hypation posted:But Greens environmental policies still resonate better with a more diverse voter base so it is still pushed harder than other parts of their platform. [Citation Needed] If I didn't delete the Greens emails after reading them I would dig up the last year's worth, pretty sure about three quarters of them are about social issues such as the cuts to welfare and asylum seekers.
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open24hours posted:The watermelon argument relies on a belief that the Greens are keeping their non-environmental policies a secret. They aren't, anyone who's interested in them can easily access them on the Greens website. Their non-environmental policies aren't even close to communism anyway. By red we mean socialist not communist. By keeping a secret - well what percentage of the electorate actually reads the websites of the parties? Most people are very begrudging and apathetic when it comes to any form of political engagement and take what's given to them reduced to a 6 second sound byte. If you are sufficiently engaged to research a party and their platform then the usual advertising is not going to influence you.
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norp posted:[Citation Needed] Handouts and printed material are designed for engaged voters. TV spots are designed to make the broad electorate engaged. Here are two TV spots from the Greens 2013 Federal Campaign: http://greens.org.au/watch-video The first is an attack ad referencing three areas of government - people, workplaces and the environment. This elevates the environment to the same level as people and workplaces. (It also went on about absolute power. - which is a great UK version of House of Cards) The lower one listed four policies: The first was clean energy over climate change - the seminal Green Policy. The broad socialist agenda was disposed of in 6 seconds out of the 30 second spot: Care not cuts, for higher education. That's it with the broad social issues. It then finished the 30 second spot with 10 seconds on wedge issues of boats and gay marriage.
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Hypation posted:By red we mean socialist not communist. Hypation posted:By keeping a secret - well what percentage of the electorate actually reads the websites of the parties? Most people are very begrudging and apathetic when it comes to any form of political engagement and take what's given to them reduced to a 6 second sound byte. Hypation posted:If you are sufficiently engaged to research a party and their platform then the usual advertising is not going to influence you.
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With Murdoch around, who in the Greens even needs to try and keep a policy secret?
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Hypation posted:(It also went on about absolute power. - which is a great UK version of House of Cards) 
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^^^^  Hypation posted:absolute power. - which is a great UK version of House of Cards
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Hypation posted:Gillard was another one ... Oh that's just a slightly different shade of red.  quote:The Liberal Party's watermelon rhetoric was about calling out the Greens for using their environmental credentials to gain votes for a much wider and more profound socialist agenda that they were not spruiking to the general electorate.  The Greens are using the environment to steer the sheeple towards com..SOCIALISM without them knowing. The average bloke doesn't understand they want to make a licence to punt, get in the way of making millions of dollars, and mess with your investment properties.
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Don't trust the greens guys, they say they care about the environment but really they just care about people! After a good post dude why go back to digging a rhetoric hole?
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open24hours posted:So can we start accusing the Liberals of being red on the inside because they support certain socialist policies? No because when we do it, it is in the furtherance of the blueness of individual liberty. open24hours posted:That's irrelevant. The information is available for those who wish to access it, unlike certain other parties. 'Getting the message out' and making people engaged is very hard. You simply cannot give someone a message if they don't want to hear from you or are not interested in listening. For that reason you need to advertise values etc not policy to make people interested enough to engage. This is the purpose of the 6 second fluff pieces. By the time you are engaged, those will not work because you want to know the detail. ie the advertising is different because it serves a different purpose.
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A UK version of a US version of a UK show?
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Hypation posted:No because when we do it, it is in the furtherance of the blueness of individual liberty. Hypation posted:'Getting the message out' and making people engaged is very hard. You simply cannot give someone a message if they don't want to hear from you or are not interested in listening. For that reason you need to advertise values etc not policy to make people interested enough to engage. This is the purpose of the 6 second fluff pieces. By the time you are engaged, those will not work because you want to know the detail.
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Hypation posted:the centre of this thread is out in Water-mellon land.  Hypation posted:Gillard was another one ... Oh that's just a slightly different shade of red. Well it's no wonder you believe the Greens are socialists that if you think Gillard's government was in any way red and not milquetoast social democracy Hypation posted:The Liberal Party's watermelon rhetoric was about calling out the Greens for using their environmental credentials to gain votes for a much wider and more profound socialist agenda that they were not spruiking to the general electorate. The only way you could possibly see the Federal Green platform as being a "socialist agenda" is if the word socialist has lost literally all meaning. The Australian Greens are at best a social-democratic party, and frankly if it weren't for the influence of the NSW Greens it would barely even be that. You're of course welcome to point out what Green policies involve collective ownership of productive resources and not simply just regulation of capitalism? Or I guess not, because last time you tried to systematically analyse the Green platform you seemed to be dipping into the Socialist Alliance platform for half of it. I WISH the Federal platform was more socialist. It's not, and it's something we in NSW are fighting hard. Quantum Mechanic fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Keep the tears flowing Turnbull Liberal. You support climate change, but your party secretly wants to sweep the issue under the rug so they can continue to sell minerals for a pittance. You are a hollowed out watermelon stuffed with coal.
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Hypation posted:No because when we do it, it is in the furtherance of the blueness of individual liberty. If you think the LNP give a crap for individual liberty, you're in for a shock. Also, people who talk about needing "individual freedoms/liberty" are usually wanting it because they want to gently caress over someone in some way that isn't currently within legislative guidelines. How exactly does being socialist limit your freedoms, aside from being a money greedy shitheap?
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Under a liberal government, people now have the freedom to not afford medical care. That sounds like more liberties to me.
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Under a liberal government, you're free to villanise people based on their gender, religion, sexuality, race and culture.
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ShoeFly posted:A UK version of a US version of a UK show? Sorry. Couldn't resist. For those who don't know: House of Cards is book 1 of a UK novel trilogy: House of Cards, To Play the King and The Final Cut. Set in the UK and made into a UK and then a separate US TV series. Absolute Power on the other hand was meant to revive the comedy of Yes Minister etc from the perspective of a UK government PR firm. ie they are both dystopian piss-takes on politics but from different angles.
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I wish the Liberal party actually were about individual freedoms. I want a pellet gun.
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Hypation posted:Gillard was another one ... Oh that's just a slightly different shade of red. The greens are a capitalist party. Their policies follow the Keynesian school of economics rather than the Friedman "free market" bullshit, but they are a capitalist party first and foremost. http://greens.org.au/policies/corporate-governance "Decision-making processes in publicly listed companies that ensure informed and comprehensive participation by shareholders." Thats the opposite of socialism.
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Mr Chips posted:Socialism in Australia in 2014 is using market-based economic solutions to solve things like climate change. Meanwhile, the party of business and free markets prefers to take money from tax payers and give it to polluters, in exchange for...no binding undertaking to reduce emissions. Capitalism and Socalism are on a march to the centre otherwise no one gets elected - this is true of progressive liberals around the world too. Hypation posted:Oh really?
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Tokamak posted:Keep the tears flowing Turnbull Liberal. You support climate change, but your party secretly wants to sweep the issue under the rug so they can continue to sell minerals for a pittance. I'm going to have to remember that watermelon line, because its loving incredible.
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Didn't you guys know literally all politics is on a spectrum of Capitalism and Socialism, diametrically opposed monolithic Proper Nouns, and hence anything that is not a move towards more pure Capitalism is, by definition, Socialism? That's why Keynesianism and regulation are Socialism. Welfare, too, that's also Socialism.
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It's me, I'm socialism.
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Personally I'm a dragonfruit, kind of pink with green tendrils on the outside, but inside I'm very white and filled with tiny seeds. Also, my chickens are merely biding their time until they can cut me open and eat my delicious innards.
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Highly amusing MSM newsCrikey posted:News Corp goes after Mail Online. News Corp has served a legal letter to the Daily Mail Australia's legal team after accusing the British tabloid implant of plagiarising its content. The key victims, News Corp claims, are its tabloids, including the Daily Telegraph, according to this report in sister publication The Australian. Oh the schadenfreude.
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