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born on a buy you: Aug 14, 2005; Odd Fullback
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Shaggar posted:

those guys are actually cheating on their taxes. that's not the same as "loopholes"

the loophole is that after a certain point the profit from cheating is more than the punishment for cheating

# ? Jun 7, 2014 07:18

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# ? May 10, 2024 01:19

Zaxxon: Feb 14, 2004; Wir Tanzen Mekanik

who is KPMG?

# ? Jun 7, 2014 07:26

theadder: Dec 30, 2011

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the 1%, the hoi polloi

this means common people

# ? Jun 7, 2014 11:26

theadder: Dec 30, 2011

so what im saying is gas

# ? Jun 7, 2014 11:26

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

p.s. are u.k. rental cars just really expensive? i'm accustomed to like $100/day

i dunno, i can't drive

quote:

from what i can tell london is half the country

no it's just a city unto it's own, a bit like nyc

# ? Jun 7, 2014 11:46

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

theadder posted:

this means common people

yes, in this context the 1% are the common rabble

can't let the bond traders and doctors get into the same tax dodges as old money and billionaires, it just wouldn't do!

# ? Jun 7, 2014 17:28

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

the only loophole is that you're able to take effectively unlimited amounts of tax deductions

cap it to a certain % of your taxes and all of the issues magically go away

# ? Jun 7, 2014 18:47

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

yeah, you could establish a minimum income over which you have to pay an alternative tax

# ? Jun 7, 2014 18:52

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

if you have enough money that you are saving or investing 95% of your money we should just tax you on all of it unless you spend it in americann small businesses in which case you dont get taxed on any of it

# ? Jun 7, 2014 19:05

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

computer parts posted:

the only loophole is that you're able to take effectively unlimited amounts of tax deductions

cap it to a certain % of your taxes and all of the issues magically go away

for little people this is true. we could stop your doctor or whatever from dodging taxes this way, and we do, via amt

the big boys have elaborate mazes of trusts and shell corporations to shuffle losses around and avoid tax. and there are shitloads of loopholes.

# ? Jun 7, 2014 19:49

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

this doesn't matter much for 300 miles. hell, car rentals in the u.s. often have gas included for free. it's just not that big a deal, because people don't drive rentals that far.

where are you renting b/c I've never had a rental that did that

they've taken to offering to let you pay for the 'full' tank it comes with at some microscopic discount but that's a sucker's game unless you bring it back with the light on or close to

# ? Jun 7, 2014 20:03

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

P.s. The last time a rich man risked jail for his "defensible position" was when KPMG got uppity and started selling "defensible position" letters to regular schmucks, mere millionaires instead of aristocrats

The irs was ok with vanderbilts cheating on their taxes. They were mos def not ok with the 1%, the hoi polloi, borrowing their tactics

KPMG ate it hard

willie....

# ? Jun 7, 2014 20:04

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

fritz posted:

where are you renting b/c I've never had a rental that did that

they've taken to offering to let you pay for the 'full' tank it comes with at some microscopic discount but that's a sucker's game unless you bring it back with the light on or close to

it started w/ zipcar but there are several of these firms now w/ all-inclusive pricing

# ? Jun 7, 2014 20:11

theadder: Dec 30, 2011

bring back lf so its not in here

# ? Jun 8, 2014 11:37

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

p.s. are u.k. rental cars just really expensive? i'm accustomed to like $100/day

i rented a car in london last fall and it was like Â£260 per day, no gas included. but that was because it was a business trip so my company was picking up the tab for me to drive a luxury sedan. they had some for like Â£70 per day or so iirc

e: no wait i think after all the fees and gas etc i paid £463 to rent it for 22 hours

fart simpson fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Jun 8, 2014

# ? Jun 8, 2014 15:49

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

MeramJert posted:

i rented a car in london last fall and it was like Â£260 per day, no gas included. but that was because it was a business trip so my company was picking up the tab for me to drive a luxury sedan. they had some for like Â£70 per day or so iirc

e: no wait i think after all the fees and gas etc i paid £463 to rent it for 22 hours

A,AL260 per day sure sounds like a

# ? Jun 9, 2014 16:37

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Bloody posted:

A,AL260 per day sure sounds like a

i know that the "l" is british pounds, but what are the two "a"s?

# ? Jun 9, 2014 16:50

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

prefect posted:

i know that the "l" is british pounds, but what are the two "a"s?

character encoding getting hosed up as usual

# ? Jun 9, 2014 16:51

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Bloody posted:

A,AL260 per day sure sounds like a

sounds like a what?

# ? Jun 9, 2014 17:09

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

MeramJert posted:

i rented a car in london last fall and it was like Â£260 per day, no gas included. but that was because it was a business trip so my company was picking up the tab for me to drive a luxury sedan. they had some for like Â£70 per day or so iirc

e: no wait i think after all the fees and gas etc i paid £463 to rent it for 22 hours

so basically what's going on here is a character encoding problem

some idiot typed a UTF-8 UK pound sterling sign which is U+00A3, two bytes, 0b11000010 0b10100011

some idiot took these bytes to be Latin-1 (or one of its derivatives), in which case they represent two characters: a capital A with a circumflex followed by a UK pound sterling sign

then some idiot transcoded the Latin-1 into UTF-8 again, in which we have two characters occupying four bytes, U+00C3 U+00A3 = 0b11000011 0b10000010 0b11000010 0b10100011

and finally some idiot took those four bytes and interpreted them as Windows-1252 (a Latin-1 derivative), in which encoding they represent four characters: a capital A with tilde, a single low-9 quotation mark, a capital A with a circumflex and a UK pound sterling sign

at least one of these idiots is user MeramJert

# ? Jun 9, 2014 17:23

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

i blame awful.app

# ? Jun 9, 2014 17:26

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

i deal with ebcdic on a daily basis so this is basically how i relax

# ? Jun 9, 2014 17:27

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003; Can't post for 4 hours!

qntm posted:

i deal with ebcdic on a daily basis so this is basically how i relax

lol owned

# ? Jun 9, 2014 17:28

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

ebcdic is the character encoding with three separate characters for "carriage return", "line break" and "new line"

# ? Jun 9, 2014 17:31

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

if you put an ascii string through a ascii-to-ebcdic converter 484,330 times it becomes ascii again

# ? Jun 9, 2014 17:34

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

C code:

if (letter >= 'A' && letter <= 'Z') {
  num = letter - 'A';
}
else if (letter >= 'a' && letter <= 'z') {
  num = letter - 'a';
}

ebcdic is the reason why this code doesn't work

# ? Jun 9, 2014 17:37

men with puns: Feb 8, 2010; Young Orc

qntm posted:

i deal with ebcdic on a daily basis so this is basically how i relax

# ? Jun 9, 2014 17:44

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

qntm posted:

so basically what's going on here is a character encoding problem

some idiot typed a UTF-8 UK pound sterling sign which is U+00A3, two bytes, 0b11000010 0b10100011

some idiot took these bytes to be Latin-1 (or one of its derivatives), in which case they represent two characters: a capital A with a circumflex followed by a UK pound sterling sign

then some idiot transcoded the Latin-1 into UTF-8 again, in which we have two characters occupying four bytes, U+00C3 U+00A3 = 0b11000011 0b10000010 0b11000010 0b10100011

and finally some idiot took those four bytes and interpreted them as Windows-1252 (a Latin-1 derivative), in which encoding they represent four characters: a capital A with tilde, a single low-9 quotation mark, a capital A with a circumflex and a UK pound sterling sign

at least one of these idiots is user MeramJert

dang

# ? Jun 9, 2014 18:04

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

yeah apparently the android forums app has encoding issues, who could have guessed

# ? Jun 9, 2014 18:07

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

MeramJert posted:

i blame awful.app

MeramJert posted:

yeah apparently the android forums app has encoding issues, who could have guessed

so is it awful.app or awful.apk

# ? Jun 9, 2014 19:59

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

i thought i had ipad posted that at first, but I thought harder and later remembered it was posted from my android phone, so awful.apk it was

# ? Jun 9, 2014 20:14

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

mysql is probably set to its happy default of latin/swedish case insensitive encoding

# ? Jun 9, 2014 20:37

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

my stepdads beer posted:

mysql is probably set to its happy default of latin/swedish case insensitive encoding

well i can type a pound �

edit: and it looks ok to me.

# ? Jun 9, 2014 20:46

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

my stepdads beer posted:

mysql is probably set to its happy default of latin/swedish case insensitive encoding

was the inventor swedish?

# ? Jun 9, 2014 20:47

zeekner: Jul 14, 2007

MeramJert posted:

i thought i had ipad posted that at first, but I thought harder and later remembered it was posted from my android phone, so awful.apk it was

character encoding for the forums is pretty much 'here be dragons'

forums don't accept utf-8 directly, if you force it it'll munge it internally and generate that kind of jibberish. the accepts header specifies iso8859, but that's wrong because it actually expects win1252.

afaik, the only reason unicode works on the forums is everything is encoded in html-escaped characters at some point. it's terrible, the third party apps work around it but weird poo poo pops up

e:
here's the text the forums returns for a reply in chinese:

code:

&#22902;&#27833;&#24656;&#24598;&#20804;&#30340;&#35299;&#37323;&#30495;&

:radium:
it's actually double-encoded too "& amp ;#22902;"

zeekner fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Jun 9, 2014

# ? Jun 9, 2014 21:35

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

it doesn't surprise me remotely that at least two of the other idiots are radium

# ? Jun 9, 2014 22:11

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

why can't it be whoever wrote vbulletin, I mean why the heck would radium dabble into unicodes

# ? Jun 9, 2014 22:14

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Symbolic Butt posted:

why the heck would radium dabble into <noun>

# ? Jun 9, 2014 22:23

jesus WEP: Oct 17, 2004

what's the least terrible version control product that will integrate into vs2012?

# ? Jun 10, 2014 11:10

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Stringent: Dec 22, 2004; image text goes here

St Evan Echoes posted:

what's the least terrible version control product that will integrate into vs2012?

git is the best version control product but I dunno about the rest of your question

# ? Jun 10, 2014 13:38

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