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jcschick posted:How the gently caress did I miss that? I gotta go back to Season 1 apparently. It's not told as a flashback, she just tells it to Watson.
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Pornstache is Nicky Sobotka from The Wire. Bam.
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Jun 10, 2014 16:30
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:it was a quick one off scene that was like 30 seconds long, in the grand scheme of things, its easy to forget That was one of the things I didn't like about Season 1. Later in the season, they started having inmates explaining in long, expository scenes why they were in prison, as if it were a budget saving measure or something. They did the same thing with Taystee and how she ended up back in prison after her release.
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Jun 10, 2014 16:34
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hcreight posted:That was one of the things I didn't like about Season 1. Later in the season, they started having inmates explaining in long, expository scenes why they were in prison, as if it were a budget saving measure or something. They did the same thing with Taystee and how she ended up back in prison after her release. Eh, I think there just wasn't a need to show those things. I want more Yoga Jones though. She's one of my favorites.
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Jun 10, 2014 16:54
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I think Jones' had to be done that way because it was important she was actually telling that to someone else.
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Jun 10, 2014 17:32
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Yeah, her backstory was used more to connect with Watson. I'm sure we'll see a proper flashback story in the future. And it'll be devastating.
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Jun 10, 2014 17:41
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AgentHaiTo posted:did we ever hear if the homeless crazy old lady they released on compassionate release died or not? I'd laugh if she crawled thru the rain gutter and came back. Like Caputo is just walking around, and there she is back in the cafeteria. I feel like she's gonna go crazy on the streets, get arrested and wind up back in the same prison. Really don't understand how nobody came up with any elaborate ways to get her sentence extended. Come to think of it, there was a line in the episode right before she was released that was like "She's a hundred years old! What are we gonna do? Slap more time on her sentence?" Really thought she was in for life.
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Jun 10, 2014 18:51
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I don't think I'd really mind if Piper got out but became a prison counselor because she's not really the meat of the series but you feel like you should at least try to have her around.
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computer parts posted:I don't think I'd really mind if Piper got out but became a prison counselor because she's not really the meat of the series but you feel like you should at least try to have her around. I want the series to end soon after Piper gets out. Apparently she's down to 8 months after two seasons, so that should get us another couple seasons. Netflix has done an awesome job in starting these shows — now I want to see whether or not they'll adhere to the usual American TV M.O. of running season after season, or if they'll be smart enough to call it quits once the show starts to run out of steam. Piper the Character doing anything other than publishing a book and making a TV series out of her visit just doesn't make sense to me. It's perfectly in line with her self-centered but ultimately well-meaning personality, and it happens to be what happened in real life to boot. EDIT: And now I know that the real Piper Kerman serves on the board of the Women's Prison Association and that she works as a communications strategist for nonprofits and I feel bad for blurring the lines a little bit too much between Piper the Character and Piper Kerman. Combed Thunderclap fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 20:43
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Rocksicles posted:Pornstache is Nicky Sobotka from The Wire. Whoa
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Jun 10, 2014 20:52
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The Golden Girl who cut her husband's dick off with a butcher's knife is my favourite character now. The way she delivered the line. 
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TinTower posted:The Golden Girl who cut her husband's dick off with a butcher's knife is my favourite character now. The way she delivered the line. And it wasn't even sharp.
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Jun 10, 2014 22:29
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TinTower posted:The Golden Girl who cut her husband's dick off with a butcher's knife is my favourite character now. The way she delivered the line. Which you know they're going to do, with how much more screen time they got this season than last. And it will be great.
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Just finished watching. My estimation of this entire season could be summed up in a gif of Joe "Sideboob" "Beer Can" Caputo's gleeful reaction to finding out about Fig's husband. That poorly-hidden, "TWO Christmases?!" look on his face was the cherry on top of a fantastic sundae of a scene. And you really can't have your character's sexually distant husband glance for more than two seconds at a hot male intern without letting the homosexual cat out of the bag. Not that I can fault Mr. Figeroa's taste, Gavin is adorable. This show is also excellent at demonstrating the difference between humanizing characters and making them more sympathetic. Fig is still a lovely hypocritical mess of a woman, but her dynamic with her husband revealed a lot. I think far worse of her husband than her, now. Yes, Fig is terrible with her embezzling and her thoughtless cruelty - but she's actually AT the prison, has to deal with it every day, and is risking HER career. Meanwhile, her husband has orchestrated the entire thing from an oblivious distance. drat. I am really, REALLY looking forward to learning more about Big Boo in season 3. I just love her so much. She's my favourite, or rather, at the top of a long list of favourites. As for Piper, I think she WAS integral to the show's success. She can be put on the show's posters and DVD covers and promotional materials as the blond, pretty, young, white, privileged (and thus "relatable") "protagonist" to reel in the "reg'lar folks" who normally bitch about political correctness and the "agendas" of literally ANY narrative that's not white/straight. She's the "just like us" Xander/Beecher character who suckers the Starbucks crowd into liking a show that has one of the most racially and sexually diverse casts going for it. She nets the privileged white viewer who (I've literally heard people say this out loud) would have dismissed the show as "being all about race, and thus boring/a bummer" without her, and now that the awesome writing and characters have them hooked, the writers are weaning Piper away from the main storylines. My main hope is that Piper's screen time comes closer to Boo's in the third season.
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Well, I dunno about your sympathy for Fig. She hates her work and avoids it as much as possible. I think her husband is just an amplified version of her because he's even farther removed from risk and even more oblivious to the misery he's caused. But I found her a little sympathetic when she found out about her husband. It sucks to be cheated on, even if you are an over-privileged hateful bitch.
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the show wouldn't work without piper being the focus btw anyway seeya later
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AnimeJune posted:This show is also excellent at demonstrating the difference between humanizing characters and making them more sympathetic. Fig is still a lovely hypocritical mess of a woman, but her dynamic with her husband revealed a lot. You reminded me how much I LOVED the entire Fig storyline and her characterization. For starters, Alysia Reiner played her so intensely that awful as Fig was, she was always stealing the scenes she was in. But the dynamics of her character were also so deliciously complex. On the one hand, she's a woman who used to be without power — a secretary, even! — who has fought and won power; on the other hand, she's using it to crush the female inmates' spirits. On the one hand, she's crushing the inmates' spirits, on the other, she's typically doing so to further her own ambitions for power in a way we almost always see a man doing on TV. And then we see her outside of prison for the first time, and it all comes together. She's another woman being used by a man — her husband — even as she labors for and under the auspices of the invisible (male) Warden. She's implied to have been suddenly promoted to her post via sexual favors to the Warden, and does the same for Caputo when she thinks it'll save her. Her "embezzelment," as far as I can tell, is all kickbacks to male contractors for her husband's far more ambitious political career. Fig is her own jailor in a self-reinforced prison of a distinctly male design, even as she makes the lives of the women in her care as miserable as possible. She's victim and perpetrator, powerful and powerless. It's subversive as hell, and I can't believe this show got made. Thank you Netflix.
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I don't think there are any contractors. All those payments go directly to Fitzcorp which I believe is controlled by her husband, so their political campaign is being funded by money embezzled from the state. What's great is her husband keeps her going by saying how much they're gonna change the system when he becomes Governor.
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1st AD posted:I don't think there are any contractors. All those payments go directly to Fitzcorp which I believe is controlled by her husband, so their political campaign is being funded by money embezzled from the state. Hmm, I thought I remembered Fig chasing down a guy at the cocktail party in Episode 12 to donate to the campaign because of the kickbacks she had funneled to him. (Then he grabbed her rear end. ) Can't remember where exactly where in the episode that scene is. Fisher was a great foil to Fig in regard to the bigger system vs. system-changer conflicts: sometimes, there's just nothing you can do to change the system while you're part of it (...without getting canned).
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FitzCORP is controlled by that obnoxious fat guy at the party, who apparently takes a cut.
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hailthefish posted:FitzCORP is controlled by that obnoxious fat guy at the party, who apparently takes a cut. And all becomes clear. Mostly that binging the last four episodes of the show all at once at 1 AM is worth it, but isn't recommended.
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Not reading the thread too much because I'm only few episodes in, but I just wanted to say I'm sort of amazed at how good the casting was on the kid versions of Tasty and Crazy Eyes. The kid that played Tasty was just spot on, and Suzanne/Crazy Eyes could have been laughably bad but they pulled it off really well. Edit: I have a random question too. What is the current deal with the girl who is pregnant? I thought they set up pornstache to be the dad, but I guess the prison doesn't know? I'm kind of hazy about that part of the last season. I might be completely off base here.
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NESguerilla posted:Not reading the thread too much because I'm only few episodes in, but I just wanted to say I'm sort of amazed at how good the casting was on the kid versions of Tasty and Crazy Eyes. The kid that played Tasty was just spot on, and Suzanne/Crazy Eyes could have been laughably bad but they pulled it off really well. Don't spoil me! edit: no wait, spoil me He gets framed over it by the Latinas, he gets fired but the prison sweeps it under the rug because they don't want a public embarrassment, then Pornstache gets hired back by Fig because she didn't know about the scandal, then she fires him again when she finds out, but this time he gets arrested It set up what I thought was the most clever scene in the entire series: Mendez is so in love with Daya that he yells at the top of his lungs that he doesn't care if he goes to jail, he loves Daya and wants everyone to know about it. John is kind of put to shame because he's hiding the fact that it's really his baby and he doesn't have the courage to go to jail over Daya like Mendez does. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Just finished season 2. drat those last scenes were amazing. Overall I thought it was great but something about pipers story seemed off. She just felt so separated from the rest of the prison's events. Did she even have any scenes with Vee?
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Sankis posted:Just finished season 2. drat those last scenes were amazing. Yeah one very brief encounter in ep10 that I just saw. Not much there though.
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neongrey posted:Yeah one very brief encounter in ep10 that I just saw. Not much there though.
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Sankis posted:Just finished season 2. drat those last scenes were amazing. Just at the intake I think, and they didn't speak. edit oh and episode 10 apparently oh when vee forces her to give up the phone it isn't surprising since she lives in the suburbs, not the ghetto, and works in electrical, where vee dumps people she doesn't want to see. Stereotype fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Jun 11, 2014 09:01
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Steve Yun posted:Don't spoil me!
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Steve Yun posted:Don't spoil me! Ah. I can live with the spoiler. I legitimately thought I remembered what happened in season one incorrectly after that scene in the library and was wondering if I needed to watch the first season again.
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Lycus posted:I'm pretty sure Fig knew back then, and she was the one that wanted to sweep it under the rug. The pregnancy just made it impossible to cover up anymore. Ahh poo poo you're right.
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Steve Yun posted:It set up what I thought was the most clever scene in the entire series: Mendez is so in love with Daya that he yells at the top of his lungs that he doesn't care if he goes to jail, he loves Daya and wants everyone to know about it. John is kind of put to shame because he's hiding the fact that it's really his baby and he doesn't have the courage to go to jail over Daya like Mendez does. Well, Mendez didn't quite have a choice in going to jail: he was already being led away in cuffs when he professed his love publicly. But the implication about John still stands, yes.
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bubblelubble posted:Well, Mendez didn't quite have a choice in going to jail: he was already being led away in cuffs when he professed his love publicly. But the implication about John still stands, yes. Especially since he literally asked Daya if what she wanted was for him to stand up and shout that he loves her and its her baby and she said yes and he said he couldn't because he'd go to jail. Or maybe she asked him if he'd do that. I can't remember exactly, just that Daya and Bennett talked about Bennett doing that and Bennett refused and then a few episodes later, Mendez does it.
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So, the show isn't the best written, it seems to telegraph its moves waaaaay too early. The way everything wrapped up at the end of season 2 was a little too Scooby Doo. It leans a little too heavily on the flashback crutch to do its character building. It has trouble making Piper's storyline interesting when the Vee vs Red plot was happening at the same time. But what this show has going for it is that it makes me open up my mind a little about other people. There are people from all walks of life on this show, and almost all the characters have gone through high points and low points, moments when they listened to the angel on their shoulder and sometimes when they listened to the devil. Overall, the show just makes me want to be more open-minded towards people and their situations.
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I liked how little Piper was in it this season. Flawed, yep, better than last season, absofuckinglutely
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Steve Yun posted:Well, I dunno about your sympathy for Fig. She hates her work and avoids it as much as possible. I think her husband is just an amplified version of her because he's even farther removed from risk and even more oblivious to the misery he's caused. There's the first scene in the hotel when she says, "A husband fucks his wife once in a while" (paraphrasing) and I thought she was being sarcastic. And then there's the post-coital scene where the husband says, "Well I held up my end of the deal, it's your turn." But I guess not! Oh well! Gavin is still adorable.
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AnimeJune posted:Honestly, though, until I saw her crying, I actually thought she was AWARE that her husband was gay. Like, the moment dewy-eyed Gavin stepped in I knew the husband liked dudes but for a couple of episodes I was pretty convinced they were in a mutually-agreed-upon marriage of convenience - Mr. Figeroa gets a beard, and Mrs. Figeroa gets political connections and a baby. The situation seemed wholly in line with Mrs. Fig's character of doing less than aboveboard things for power and influence. No, I think you're definitely right - she definitely knew about his sexuality. But it still sucks to see your husband making out with someone else. It probably made it a whole lot more real to her.
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At least Gavin didn't go full Frank-and-Meechum, there's a plus.
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Here's the plotline I'm anticipating the most: Caputo's got to be out as assistant warden, right? In his first two days there are two escaped prisoners (one of whom nearly flattens a gaggle of nuns as she escapes), and he finds out the guard he trusted to have his back is really the one who knocked up Diaz. I'm guessing we finally get to meet the warden (can't wait to see who they cast), and then I trust he's going to bring in someone to really crack some skulls among the staff and inmates.
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skaboomizzy posted:Here's the plotline I'm anticipating the most: Why are you tagging speculation? I would personally want Caputo to stick around a little longer. They've set him up as a guy who pathetically needs affirmation, and it would really be interesting to see that dynamic play out while he's running a women's prison.
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The finale made Caputo one of my favourite characters, easily. I hope he sticks around for the duration. One thing I didn't understand though, why didn't Vee just kill Red? I thought the whole point of showing the RJ plot alongside their thing was to show that she'd rather take a fucker out (after pretending to reconcile with them) than let them have their way. So how does putting her in hospital for a few weeks, letting her see her attacker and making an enemy out of the whole prison accomplish that? Red comes back in a month or so and they fight again, surely? I mean, Red tried to strangle her. And I don't mind that they made Vee a straight up irredeemable villain. Even The Wire has one dimensional bad people every now and then. The stories that happened around her and the impact she had on the prison were far more interesting than her character, and it wouldn't have worked if they tried to shoehorn some sympathy in for her. Half the show's running time is spent making these characters sympathetic, we can go one whole character without that, surely. stev fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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