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i know this is the pos but please dont troll, i really could use some good advice
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St Evan Echoes posted:what's the least terrible version control product that will integrate into vs2012? ahnksvn
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Jun 10, 2014 15:06
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i never understood vcs integration into an ide. what's the point?
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Jun 10, 2014 16:15
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i am awful and will go too long w out committing if i have to do more than click button and comment
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Jun 10, 2014 16:37
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i never understood vcs integration into an ide. what's the point? people are lazy i guess personally i don't trust any of it except maybe a checkout. command line is fine for small commits and for larger ones i'll just use sourcetree. speaking of which i've finally started using jira for the first time and based on the small time i've spent with it, i loving hate it compared to pivotal
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Jun 10, 2014 16:41
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double sulk posted:speaking of which i've finally started using jira for the first time and based on the small time i've spent with it, i loving hate it compared to pivotal jira is a bug tracker. over the years it has grown so many features, like a tumor, that people try to use it for everything. my current employer is using jira, the bug tracker, for:
guess which of these it's actually good at
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Jun 10, 2014 16:43
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:jira is a bug tracker. over the years it has grown so many features, like a tumor, that people try to use it for everything. current company uses it for deployment it should take about half a sec to kick off some automated file copy crap but no i have to spend like 5 minutes creating tickets, sub tickets, clicking button, waiting for someone o the other end to respond
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Jun 10, 2014 16:58
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i use redmine its p sw8 even though its ruby
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Jun 10, 2014 17:05
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Shaggar posted:ahnksvn we're using vault at my company haha it's pretty seamless tho
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Jun 10, 2014 19:07
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:jira is a bug tracker. over the years it has grown so many features, like a tumor, that people try to use it for everything. we have 6 systems for those 6 functions, is that better? the answer is no (because i have to use remedy sometimes)
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Jun 10, 2014 19:15
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:we have 6 systems for those 6 functions, is that better? remedy doesn't do a good job of any of those functions
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Jun 10, 2014 19:16
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luckily my interaction with remedy is minimal. from what i can tell ops has to use it a lot
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Jun 10, 2014 19:27
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i never understood vcs integration into an ide. what's the point? yeah whats the point of an integrated development environment? better to have a non-working text editor and a pile of poo poo piss scripts that don't work instead. that's the linux philosophy at work.
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Jun 10, 2014 19:29
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:jira is a bug tracker. over the years it has grown so many features, like a tumor, that people try to use it for everything. its good at all of them if you write the workflows. jira is pretty great. its super nice to be able to have a support ticket for a bug that is linked to a development ticket to fix it so everything is all nicely tied 2gether.
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Jun 10, 2014 19:34
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jira is as good as the effort you put into configuring it. if you have customized workflows/ticket types/etc for your process, ti's wonderful. if you use all the stock tools without any amount of thought to, "what do we actually need?" it's poo poo.
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Jun 10, 2014 19:37
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double sulk posted:people are lazy i guess I use some plugin that lets me just highlight code and blame or link to that code in github. That's really cool. I handcraft my bespoke commits on the command line, ofc.
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Jun 10, 2014 19:53
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Shaggar posted:yeah whats the point of an integrated development environment? Linux is the ide
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Jun 10, 2014 20:13
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HTML5 posted:we're using vault at my company haha it's pretty seamless tho haha I had to use vault before what a piece of garbage
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Jun 10, 2014 20:13
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Shaggar posted:yeah whats the point of an integrated development environment? i have intellij, i just find the vcs integration to be less-good than using git's lovely interface directly
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Jun 10, 2014 20:14
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intellij is bad
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Jun 10, 2014 20:18
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eclipse's subversion integration isn't the best, but its way better than intellij's. vs has the best subversion integration which I think is probably irony but im not sure.
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Jun 10, 2014 20:19
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ssh..shaggar was wrong??
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Jun 10, 2014 20:19
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Shaggar posted:eclipse's subversion integration isn't the best, but its way better than intellij's. vs has the best subversion integration which I think is probably irony but im not sure. it's impossible to gently caress up svn integration. svn is plumb simple git is v. difficult to use with the native interface. i don't find ide integration makes that problem better.
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Jun 10, 2014 20:20
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don't use git.
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Jun 10, 2014 20:21
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git was invented by Linux torvaldos so he and the rest of his open soresers could do commits while they were off in the 3rd world with no internet. its not meant for use by normal people in normal places where theres internet all the time.
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Jun 10, 2014 20:23
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Shaggar posted:git was invented by Linux torvaldos so he and the rest of his open soresers could do commits while they were off in the 3rd world with no internet. its not meant for use by normal people in normal places where theres internet all the time. ...nope
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Jun 10, 2014 20:24
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a gitiot abroad
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Jun 10, 2014 20:25
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Git? more like poo poo! lol
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Jun 10, 2014 20:28
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Citizen Tayne posted:Git? more like poo poo! lol how subversive!
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Jun 10, 2014 20:29
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i have intellij, i just find the vcs integration to be less-good than using git's lovely interface directly i think I'm the only one other than linus & the new git maintainer who prefers git cli. and the intellij vcs integration is very svn-focused. local history, shelve, changelists, these all make sense for an svn integration (poo poo changelists are an svn feature) but make no sense w/git. still, intellij gets the basic poo poo right like showing changed lines. i can live with using the cli for actual vcs operations
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Jun 10, 2014 22:38
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I use the git cli daily and I think it's terrible.
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Jun 10, 2014 23:15
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whats the git cli if you have to use more complicated git commands than git stash, git stash pop, git add ., git commit -m, git pull --rebase, and git push, you're making your life to complicated
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Jun 10, 2014 23:30
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i never understood vcs integration into an ide. what's the point? VS2013 tries to add value, there is a video where they show working on a project: receiving a bug then the IDE saves the workspace and creates a clean copy to checkout the release revision, fixes the bug and commits, then reverts to the old workspace. Shelveset it is apparently called. I guess its a visual git stash?
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Jun 10, 2014 23:35
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:whats the git cli haha yeah let's just not branch and merge
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Jun 10, 2014 23:36
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chmods please posted:haha yeah let's just not branch and merge i merge every time i do a git pull --rebase
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Jun 10, 2014 23:37
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and a branch every time i do a git stash
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Jun 10, 2014 23:37
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USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:i merge every time i do a git pull --rebase thats actually not a merge though
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:thats actually not a merge though that's why it's better
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git it totally unintuitive and its ridiculous the lengths people go to convince you "oh you just don't *get* the brilliance of it" but its actually quite poo poo for actual human beings, much like linus's other creation.
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