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Marvel Adventures ruled, I wouldn't have minded if it had replaced the main line. I think Marvel Adventures Avengers was the strongest of the books, tho. Giant Girl was a great addition to the team and a lot more likeable and interesting than the Wasp ever was, and every character had great dynamics, especially Wolverine and Hulk.
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Jun 9, 2014 06:46
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Giant-Girl and Ant-Man from Marvel Adventures: Avengers were really charming, I wish they were the mainline versions of the characters. I quite liked Chat, and Emma as Silencer was pretty cool.
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Jun 9, 2014 07:01
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Deadpool posted:But enough about Spider-Man. To keep on topic with this thread I just caught up on the latest Punisher book. I'm digging it so far, anybody else have any thoughts on it?
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Jun 9, 2014 11:16
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Lurdiak posted:Yeah like 50% of what makes Chapter One so insulting is knowing that Byrne thought he was Officially and Permanently rewriting the character's early history, aka some of the best comics of all time. It's pretty lovely on its own, but knowing the sheer hubris of the writer makes it Super lovely. It's kinda lost some of its venom now that it's a forgotten failed experiment. The really hosed up part is him going out of his way to slam Ultimate Spider-Man years later. He claimed they were the same thing, and that it was unfair people liked it and not his. He also claimed that hardcores weren't the target audience so their opinion of the book did not matter.
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Jun 9, 2014 19:21
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He started slamming USM within 3 months of it's release. One of his favorite things to point out is that despite USM being a critical darling, Chapter One outsold it massively. And if you point out that you can buy a complete set of Chapter One for $3 and USM #1 runs $200+ he bans you from his forum.
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Jun 9, 2014 21:52
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Deadpool posted:I know they have ones loosely based on the cartoons now, but I've never read them because I don't much care for the cartoons. Are they just based on them in name only or are they like the old Adventures line? I don't really know what you mean by "in name only". You mean are they like the cartoons? It's hard to describe. I picked up one of the Avengers: EMH comics back when that show was on the air and it was kind of... mediocre. I honestly can't imagine the new comics based on the new cartoons being much better (being that they're all written by the same guy, Joe Caramagna). I think part of it could be the comic being hamstringed by being a tie-in to a show. Can't introduce a character to the Avengers comic if you don't have a reference for how the show is going to depict them yet, that kind of thing. So short answer to "are they like the old Adventures line?", no. Adventures was much better because it wasn't constrained to mimic a cartoon.
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Jun 9, 2014 22:45
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In other news, Dennis Hopeless continues to poo poo on the Runaways. Because apparently killing off characters and ruining the survivors wasn't enough for him.
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Jun 10, 2014 13:17
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gently caress Hopeless and gently caress Marvel for letting him poo poo on established characters from writers with more talent in a fingertip than Hopeless has in his entire body.
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Jun 10, 2014 19:08
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Sometimes I wonder if Hopeless doesn't have some sort of Jekyll/Hyde writing problem because I remember really liking Cable & X-Force but then I see poo poo like this and I think "Can this really be the same guy?" TwoPair fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 21:38
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It honestly feels vindictive. He's still pissed people didn't buy the last series and suck his dick for the tired "maybe it's you the audience who is the real bad guy" Funny Games bullshit.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:44
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Actually, it could be that some people actually like his books for some reason and he isn't writing them to get back at us since we didn't.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:45
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Senor Candle posted:Actually, it could be that some people actually like his books for some reason and he isn't writing them to get back at us since we didn't. One problem with that theory nobody liked Arena and nobody bought Arena.
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Jun 10, 2014 22:03
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SirDan3k posted:One problem with that theory nobody liked Arena and nobody bought Arena. You can be hyperbolic if you want but I personally know people who loved it.
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Jun 10, 2014 22:10
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The unprecedented crime of having a character last seen swearing to escape from a dimension escape from a dimension. I'm not a Hopeless fan at all but getting riled up about this, in particular, is a stretch. BKV left a very convenient loophole open for a future writer to bring Alex back. It's been seven years, he was going to pop back out of that white chamber eventually. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Jun 10, 2014 22:46
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Senor Candle posted:You can be hyperbolic if you want but I personally know people who loved it. It's not really hyperbolic. It had abysmal sales. You might have known people who loved it, but they were clearly a minority.
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Jun 10, 2014 22:54
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That's sort of a weird one to debate, since comics are pretty niche and sales are kinda hard to judge against how many people would actually buy the book. There's a ton of runaways fans, or at least enough vocal people to make it seem like it, but the threads on /co/ made it mostly sound like none of them actually buy comics anymore. So all you can really judge by is the fact the book bled thousands of readers issue after issue until it fell into the cancel range, and got canceled. We can pretend it didn't, but I'm pretty sure in early interviews they implied it would go far longer than it did. And I do kinda get a self-congratulating tone of "the book was great you're the dumb" from Undercover when it talks about events in Arena, but honestly it is kinda hard to remember what is even happening in Undercover. The book is so boring. Arena was terrible, but Undercover is just very average in spite of how it tries to be a very serious book. Satire has to feel punchy and being grimdark doesn't cut it.
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Jun 10, 2014 23:02
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Codependent Poster posted:It's not really hyperbolic. It had abysmal sales. You might have known people who loved it, but they were clearly a minority. And? Let's not kid ourselves, there are load of series here which a bunch of us love and which had abysmal sales, does that mean those books were awful and hated too?
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Jun 10, 2014 23:14
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Runaways drew in a lot of non-regular comic buyers who, like sane people would, got frustrated with comic shops and stopped buying monthlies. There's a vocal outcry but it never shows up in the numbers because the loudest just don't buy comics. I'm not a big fan of Runaways actually, Arena was just such a blatant failed artistic statement with poo poo writing and Hopeless attempt at martyrdom afterwards is as annoying as it always is. "The audience only wants violence and death! *movie/show/book project fails* How dare the audience not conform to my ideas about the failings of society, they're all against me!"
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Jun 10, 2014 23:22
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Codependent Poster posted:It's not really hyperbolic. It had abysmal sales. You might have known people who loved it, but they were clearly a minority. I do enjoy the idea that Dennis Hopeless is sitting around reading BSS going "I'll show you guys, I'm going to write AN EVEN SHITTIER COMIC, THAT WILL SHOW PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET! I MIGHT JUST LITERALLY poo poo ON THE PAGE AND SEND THAT IN NEXT MONTH, THAT WILL SHOW THEM ALL!"
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Jun 10, 2014 23:25
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Senor Candle posted:You can be hyperbolic if you want but I personally know people who loved it. People loved the clone saga, what's your point? There is at least one person who loves everything that exist, doesn't make it suck any less. (I am the guy who likes the clone saga, but it sucks nonetheless)
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Jun 10, 2014 23:28
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I know lots of people who liked Arena just fine.
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Edge & Christian posted:Exactly, much like the tiny minority of dummies that care/cared about poor-selling pieces of poo poo like Superior Foes of Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Spider, Young Avengers, Secret Avengers, Avengers Academy, Sentinel, Runaways, etc. This is why Spawn is still probably the best comic book of the past thirty years. It's funny that you included books like Young Avengers and Captain Marvel on this list when yeah, there were a lot of people who thought those were terrible too. Even people on this very board. So let's not just limit it to sales, but general reactions and reviews and the majority of opinions that say the book sucked too.
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Jun 10, 2014 23:36
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Codependent Poster posted:It's funny that you included books like Young Avengers and Captain Marvel on this list when yeah, there were a lot of people who thought those were terrible too. Even people on this very board. A lot of people on here seem to believe that Dennis Hopeless is personally and deliberately making GBS threads on them by personally and deliberately taking their favorite characters and personally and deliberately making a lovely comic with them in it. This is amusing and insane. I don't even like Avengers Arena that much, though I do like Kev Walker's art. That puts it into a category of books like Hawkeye and Nextwave in having pretty nice art and some dumb out of character stuff on the writing side, but fewer loud angry internet fans ride or die for Roger Stern's Avengers compared to Runaways or whatever, so no one cares. But considering the "general reactions and reviews" on this site and really Team Comics Internet in general, sales are probably the last thing anyone should bring to a quality argument. Also people enjoy being outraged on behalf of marginal characters they love. Pretty sure if someone wants to do a good Runaways book or hell I don't know, are there still actually Darkhawk fans? I bet you can revamp Darkhawk in five years regardless of whatever Dennis Hopeless wrote to deliberately ruin your day because he has a blood vendetta against you and he just gets so loving mad people don't think he's a genius and he's going to get you, get you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 10, 2014 23:48
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I never read Avengers Arena or Undercover but I liked his Cable and X-Force series and was sad when it was canned and replaced with the one we have now.
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CharlestheHammer posted:People loved the clone saga, what's your point? Lets not forget their is someone on this very site who buys two copies of Red Hood and the Outlaws and also buys anything with Jason Todd.
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Jun 10, 2014 23:50
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Edge & Christian posted:or Children's Crusade, because those books sold really well, so they're obviously better than anything else you can name. Man that would have been great. But yeah, the argument goes all weird. I still kinda feel like rate of decline is a reasonable number to point to the success of a book. Deadpool posted:I never read Avengers Arena or Undercover but I liked his Cable and X-Force series and was sad when it was canned and replaced with the one we have now.
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Spiderdrake posted:I still kinda feel like rate of decline is a reasonable number to point to the success of a book.
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Edge & Christian posted:Exactly, much like the tiny minority of dummies that care/cared about poor-selling pieces of poo poo like Superior Foes of Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Spider, Young Avengers, Secret Avengers, Avengers Academy, Sentinel, Runaways, etc. This is why Spawn is still probably the best comic book of the past thirty years. Oh yeah that's defiantly it. He's reading this very site because we are so important. His response is in fact directed only at me and not the craploads of other people giving him poo poo for Arena and Undercover on the internet. Nobody ever responds to the internet, it's doesn't have some vast influence on anything, just a bunch of nerds on message boards like it was in the 90's forever and ever.
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SirDan3k posted:Oh yeah that's defiantly it. He's reading this very site because we are so important. His response is in fact directed only at me and not the craploads of other people giving him poo poo for Arena and Undercover on the internet. Well, John Byrne does....but gently caress that guy.
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Why doesn't Tony hook Cap up with a War Machine suit? Wouldn't Captain America be like the best drat Iron Man, shooting tactical smoke grenades and flash bangs all over the place and up in the air orchestrating the battle? I get why they probably would never do this in the main universe, but they should have at least done it in Ultimates for a while.
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Why doesn't Tony hook Cap up with a War Machine suit? Wouldn't Captain America be like the best drat Iron Man, shooting tactical smoke grenades and flash bangs all over the place and up in the air orchestrating the battle? I get why they probably would never do this in the main universe, but they should have at least done it in Ultimates for a while. What a great idea! 
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SirDan3k posted:Oh yeah that's defiantly it. He's reading this very site because we are so important. His response is in fact directed only at me and not the craploads of other people giving him poo poo for Arena and Undercover on the internet. Nobody ever responds to the internet, it's doesn't have some vast influence on anything, just a bunch of nerds on message boards like it was in the 90's forever and ever.  "s then maybe he's responding to those people. I know Dan Slott is a petulant child who searches for his own name and has passive aggressively responded on my blog and on Twitter, but even then I don't pretend that anything he wrote in his book was in response to me/the Internet at large. I guess it's possible that Avengers Undercover is a massive burn where he doesn't care about telling a story or pleasing his editor or getting a paycheck or doing anything but just STICKING THE GODDAMN loving KNIFE INTO THOSE INTERNET MOTHERFUCKERS WHO CARE ABOUT GAY OL' RUNAWAYS. Or maybe you don't think that? I got sarcasm whiplash.
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Rhyno posted:What a great idea! Welp, that looks terrible. It's amusing to me that whoever designed that must have considered making the costume look like Iron Patriot's amazing design, which is essentially just Iron Man in Red Silver and Blue, and went "nah I think I'm going to do better than that, I have this SuperPro homage I want to do ..". Maybe it's more in character for Steve Rogers to have the worst looking Iron Man armor. So, what ends up happening? What's the rationale for him not just suiting up from then on out? I tried googling but this ends up retrieving pages of blogs reporting the same Iron Patriot movie news from a year ago
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I think it was because he was paralyzed or something.
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The serum was breaking down in his system and he was losing the use of his body slowly. First he used this weird suit thing  He put on the other suit when his body started failing. Then when he was at death's door the Red Skull had him kidnapped and gave him a complete blood transfusion (the Skull was living in a cloned body of Steve Rogers).
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Why doesn't Tony hook Cap up with a War Machine suit? Wouldn't Captain America be like the best drat Iron Man, shooting tactical smoke grenades and flash bangs all over the place and up in the air orchestrating the battle? I get why they probably would never do this in the main universe, but they should have at least done it in Ultimates for a while. Because that worked well for him when he did it with Spider-Man. I don't think Iron Man gets along that great with people lacking a certain amount of moral flexibility, in terms of funding an incredibly expensive battle suit that likely requires constant maintenence and I doubt Cap would trust the same. Also consider two issues ago Avengers featured Cap punching Tony Stark in the face.
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Jun 11, 2014 05:40
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Rhyno posted:First he used this weird suit thing Are that pouches in front of his chest painted with the sides of the star? Also why would the Red Skull give him a blood transfusion?
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Schneider Heim posted:Are that pouches in front of his chest painted with the sides of the star? The Skull needed him for his plan to regain the Cosmic Cube. Hitler's "soul" was inhabiting the cube and the Skull needed Cap to kill him so he could use the Cube's full powers. It's Mark Waid's first Captain America story and it's awesome.
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Edge & Christian posted:I guess it's possible that Avengers Undercover is a massive burn where he doesn't care about telling a story or pleasing his editor or getting a paycheck or doing anything but just STICKING THE GODDAMN loving KNIFE INTO THOSE INTERNET MOTHERFUCKERS WHO CARE ABOUT GAY OL' RUNAWAYS. Maybe just maybe he can do all of that at the same time like some kind of fully realized human being with multiple motivations to their thoughts, feeling, and actions. Or he's just a complicated script writing program with the dial set to poo poo.
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