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Space Gopher posted:Boeing did pretty well on the civilian market with its C-5 competitor. So I hit Google and after I went "Oh yeah, that little known plane", I found this thing:    FrozenVent fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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FrozenVent posted:So I hit Google and after I went "Oh yeah, that little known plane", I found this thing: Both of those are out in Pima now, one at the air and space museum, and one on the bus tour of the Davis-Monthan Boneyard. Though they are both in bare aluminum and without engines right now. I love upper surface blowing jets. Just looks cool. Though this is the best.  AN-71 AEWR. USB jets, and a radome on top of the tail.
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benito posted:Is there any plan for a commercial airliner version of something like the Airbus A400M? Lockheed sold the L-100 (and might sell a L-100J based on the Super Herk), but that's less a "commercial airliner" and more "a civilianised Herk we sold to bush airlines, mining companies, and other crazy non-mil folks who need to get large bulky items in and out of short fields in remote areas." Closest thing I can think of would be the Electra, but that was a civ design that was then modified to a military purpose. Captain Postal and hobbesmaster hit on the main reasons why a military trash hauler will never make that great of a true airliner, they're just designed for different purposes. Space Gopher posted:Boeing did pretty well on the civilian market with its C-5 competitor. lol Kind of proves the point though because the 747 as built had some pretty big design differences from the original CX-HLS competitor that optimized it for airline service. iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Space Gopher posted:Boeing did pretty well on the civilian market with its C-5 competitor. Boeing's C-5 competitor never entered production. Pan Am however said "Hey boeing get rid of all that military crap and we'll buy a ton" and the result was the 747.
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Slo-Tek posted:
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Only plane I can think of that started life as a military cargo plane and had a (somewhat) successful civilian adaptation is the C-97 Stratofreighter/ the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser And remember that the C-97 itself was adapted from the B-50, which was really just an up-engined B-29
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Slo-Tek posted:Gonna give this a shot today http://www.slrcfa.com/wordpress/ a B-36 half the size of a 172 would fly on .10's and have unlimited vertical performance. :-)
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Spanish Eurofighter crashed earlier today, pilot did not survive: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27768001
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A happier Eurofighter story: http://imgur.com/gallery/ewUqxSs e: although Moron Base... what a name simplefish fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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It's amazing what Spirit will pay parts when they're AoG
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rscott posted:It's amazing what Spirit will pay parts when they're AoG Given what cancelling flights/chartering replacement aircraft costs, added to additional unplanned parking fees, it is rare for any price not to be accepted. My employer spent $120K on buying a single part, and a smaller but noticeable chunk of cash in getting it hand-couriered from the US to the UK, instead of waiting two more days for one from elsewhere for loan/repair cost only - and it was still worth it. My previous employer outright purchased a Learjet 45 for flying around AOG parts/replacement crews/engineers a couple years back. Apparently they've bought/leased a second Learjet since then. It was easily worth it. I've also seen the odd towing incident which ended up with a $1M+ parts bill. Apparently horizontal stabiliser ribs and spar sections are pretty drat expensive when there's only one available worldwide...
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rscott posted:It's amazing what Airlines that balk at a $500 part during a heavy check will gladly pay $5000 for that same part later on if it means keeping their revenue flights up and on time. It's crazy.
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I remember being yelled at that I didn't get a log page in quick enough that resulted in an $24,000 charter to bring an EPR transmitter from MSP to STL. And I did have the log in, they ignored it.
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rscott posted:It's amazing what Spirit will pay parts when they're AoG I always wonder how much money changes hands when a part we need goes from 90 day lead time to showing up on the receiving shelf the next day, luckily lately we have spare engines and such to rob sub assemblies off of to get the plane flying again
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My favorite non-routine job card on quick turns was always R&Ring major airframe components and assemblies that were still airworthy, but leased from FinnAir. Sure, we can do an engine inlet duct swap in forty-five minutes. No sweat. Inner trailing edge flap with no hoist or crane, and only two hours? Of course, no problem. Idiots.
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Every so often I am reminded that there's a crazy dude in Portland living in a 727 http://www.airplanehome.com/  Shine on crazy dude living in your aeroplane balanced on a pile of pallets and wood.
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MrYenko posted:My favorite non-routine job card on quick turns was always R&Ring major airframe components and assemblies that were still airworthy, but leased from FinnAir. Glad to see planning departments are the same the world over.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Every so often I am reminded that there's a crazy dude in Portland living in a 727 http://www.airplanehome.com/ quote:"Humanity's current challenge is to devise efficient means and methods to economically site essentially complete retired jetliners as homes, making them much more commonly available. An elegantly executed project using an intact jetliner (except sans engines) is urgently needed to provide a compelling model which can be easily emulated. My dream is to accomplish this with the Airplane Home V2.0 project, ideally using a Boeing 747-400ER, hopefully starting in earnest within less than one year. Skimming the giant wall of text which follows, he appears to be serious about this. 747 hulks will save glorious Nippon from future tsunamis because what could be a better lifeboat than an airliner, and he shall be so famous and desired that he'll be able to have his fantasy waifu dance for him on their wings.  Hope he's getting some mental health care, 'cause he's deep in some kind of delusional belief system.
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BobHoward posted:Skimming the giant wall of text which follows, he appears to be serious about this. 747 hulks will save glorious Nippon from future tsunamis because what could be a better lifeboat than an airliner, and he shall be so famous and desired that he'll be able to have his fantasy waifu dance for him on their wings. This is what happens when you watch The Last Flight of Noah's Ark just one time too many
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Wow, that is incredible to read. How quickly it goes from "This is a good idea" to "THIS IS THE BEST IDEA" right into "GLORIOUS NIPPON  " is great.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Every so often I am reminded that there's a crazy dude in Portland living in a 727 http://www.airplanehome.com/ I drove out to get a view of it but it's so far back from the road and in trees you cannot see even a bit of it.
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FAA approves first commercial drone use: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27785538
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SyHopeful posted:I drove out to get a view of it but it's so far back from the road and in trees you cannot see even a bit of it. Shame, I'd love to know if those big fan grills he's installed in the starboard wing are for A/C or something else (I guess I could email him, but he seems pretty crazy)
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They look like they're plumbed in to something so I'm guessing solar water heaters, like this but home made ghetto style  e: christ I didn't realise the image was that big thanks android app Rude Dude With Tude fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:They look like they're plumbed in to something so I'm guessing solar water heaters, like this but home made ghetto style Looks like it, I found a pic on one of his updates (14-mar-2003) where you can tell they're just coils of hose, which is kind of disappointing, I had a mental vision of it being some really awesome home-made A/C, but oh well.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:They look like they're plumbed in to something so I'm guessing solar water heaters, like this but home made ghetto style Is that really? Oh. Indian company. Still might want to rethink the swastikas if they ever want to export those...
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Of some vague relevance to this thread: I decided today that I'm going to start studying and gaining experience towards my aircraft maintenance engineer's license. So in three years or so, I might well be fixing a plane near you (hopefully not too near you)!
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...or we'll know who to blame when a stab breaks off or a turbine throws a blade. 
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Granted the 727 house guy might be a little crazy, but I can't be the only one here who dreams of having a yard full of airplanes, right? Hell, here in Ohio there're at least two dudes I know of who have fulfilled that dream, plus of course the late, legendary Walter Soplata
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Didn't see this posted, but looks like there was crash involving a student pilot and instructor at that other flight school in DAB. http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/plane-crash-reported-daytona-beach-intl-airport/ngHhH/
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For you million milers out there. Bored guy makes a music video by himself while stuck in McCarran overnight. http://gawker.com/man-trapped-overn...dium=socialflow
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I saw a strange-looking aircraft today and wonder if you guys could id it by description: twin pusher turbo prop with a blocky canard on the front, about the size of a typical business jet.
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EightBit posted:I saw a strange-looking aircraft today and wonder if you guys could id it by description: twin pusher turbo prop with a blocky canard on the front, about the size of a typical business jet. Either a Beechcraft Starship  or a Piaggio Avanti  .
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That's probably about it. The Piaggio would be much more common. Though since Avantair folded I haven't seen an Avanti in a while.
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It was probably an Avanti; it had a normal-looking vertical stabilizer, at least. I stop to catch my breath on a hill that is under the approach and takeoff routes for SAT when I'm riding solo or the dirt trails are too muddy and get to see lots of stuff coming and going.
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I was trying to figure out what plane it was I flew on ages ago and perhaps the thread can help. It was Canadian regional (airline long since acquired by air canada) twin turboprop high wing. The interesting thing is the square fuselage profile. I thought it might be a dornier 228 but it looked a little different, especially in the nose. It was a really boxy looking plane. I remember getting on the plane and everyone chose to sit at the back and the plane did a wheelie until the steward asked some folks to distribute the weight around 
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A Shorts? Doesn't seem like it'd have an issue standing on its tail though... It was just the first boxy airplane I thought of.
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YES! That is exactly it. Wow, got it in one. Cool! Thanks.
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Yes! Finally I get one. Also on my recent CRJ-200 flight, passengers were asked to move for weight and balance. Those little regionals run into that from time to time. EDIT: Also now I'm going through all of American Eagle's old turbo prop fleet. Here's another boxy one, the Casa 212: 
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