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CommissarMega posted:Any more Skaven books apart from the Grey Seer Thanquol series? I love the furry little bastards. Hell, are here any more plans for more glorious Thanquol without that dumb dwarf-thing and man-thing interfering? Apart from Vermintide, there's also a new series about the events which lead to the Skaven taking over the Empire and botching the job so bad they ended up losing the war. (For the Empire, the war was so traumatic only fairy tales about rats getting drowned and memories about the horrible plague hitting them just before the invasion remained.) The three novels were written by the same author as Vermintide, if I remember correctly. The trilogy starts with Deadwinter.
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Libluini posted:The three novels were written by the same author as Vermintide, if I remember correctly. The trilogy starts with Deadwinter.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:01
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After suffering through 100 pages of Siege of Castellax, I don't think I could ever stomach the idea of reading something written by CL Werner again.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:34
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I don't think I've read anything Chaos post-Heresy that I enjoyed that wasn't Abnett.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:43
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I don't think I've read anything Chaos post-Heresy that I enjoyed that wasn't Abnett. You didn't enjoy the Night Lords by ADB? 
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Jun 11, 2014 19:46
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UberJumper posted:You didn't enjoy the Night Lords by ADB? Yeah, you shouldn't be allowed to post ITT until you've read that.
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SRM posted:After suffering through 100 pages of Siege of Castellax, I don't think I could ever stomach the idea of reading something written by CL Werner again. Maybe CL Werner can only write decently if he writes about Skaven?  (That said, Siege of Castellax bored me to tears so bad, I can't even remember anything about it anymore.)
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Jun 11, 2014 20:13
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I don't think I've read anything Chaos post-Heresy that I enjoyed that wasn't Abnett. ... Purge the Heretic.
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Jun 11, 2014 20:16
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One thing that gives me hope for BL is that all the new writers that they are adding seem to be fairly decent. ADB (he's been there several years now, but he still qualifies as part of the new guard, I think?), Wraight, French. The mediocre and/or terrible writers all seem to have been part of an old guard that mainly got/retained their jobs due to being part of a good ol' boys club at GW. At least, that's the impression I've gathered, let me know if I'm wrong.
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Jun 11, 2014 20:25
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UberJumper posted:You didn't enjoy the Night Lords by ADB? I haven't read it, so I wouldn't be able to say I enjoyed it. In general, most BL characterizations of Chaos are so ridiculous that I can't just wonder 'why hasn't this caved in on itself years ago?' Once I catch up on the HH novels (only need to finish Vulkan Lives...why...) I'll move onto Night Lords and hopefully book 2 of Pariah. Speaking of Vulkan Lives, what was Nick Kyme's background? The language he uses is so not-40k it's actually jarring. He wrote like a Modern Warfare book and replaced Smith, Adams, and Rogers with dumb Salamanders names and called it a day. I've never imagined a Space Marine saying 'we'll clean house' before but it strikes me as distinctly un-Space Marine.
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Jun 11, 2014 20:29
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Kyme's a hack, that's why the tone is entirely wrong. The only reason that he is published is that he's an editor at BL and a long time GW guy. That's it. There's no merit involved at all. His books are essentially vanity publishing.
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Oh, I knew he was a bad writer and I figured it was basically nepotism, but you'd think by now they'd be like 'well...you can write about...uh...the...Storm Lords, or something? And we'll let Aaron help you with the Salamanders'. I can get why he's published but you'd think they'd stop giving him actual poo poo to write.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I haven't read it, so I wouldn't be able to say I enjoyed it. In general, most BL characterizations of Chaos are so ridiculous that I can't just wonder 'why hasn't this caved in on itself years ago?' Amateur writer, got a few gaming articles and short stories published on magazines (namely white dwarf) as a teen, then got hired as layout designer for White Dwarf before becoming editor at Black Library, and from there by virtue of seniority he's been able to publish whatever the gently caress he wants. You really should just drop Vulkan Lives, you're wasting your time.
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Fried Chicken posted:... A series I wish we would get more books of. Despite the fact the characters where just taken straight from the Dark Heresy rulebook it was still a really enjoyable read because Mitchell does casual and friendly banter so well. Love to see more when the second edition of the series rolls around but I doubt that sadly.  JerryLee posted:The mediocre and/or terrible writers all seem to have been part of an old guard that mainly got/retained their jobs due to being part of a good ol' boys club at GW. Most of them I reckon, although I could've sworn Zhou was brought in from elsewhere. I know via the ICs that Guy Haley was brought in from outside of GW due to some other sci-fi stuff he had written.
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SRM posted:After suffering through 100 pages of Siege of Castellax, I don't think I could ever stomach the idea of reading something written by CL Werner again. His Mathias Thulmann Witch Hunter series was good. Maybe he's one of those guys that only shines when he's writing about a particular genre - in this case, Fantasy? I haven't read his 40K stuff, so I can't comment on it.
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Yeah, Werner is much better writing Fantasy than 40K. Not that his WHF stuff is that great, but it's at least readable.
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Cooked Auto posted:A series I wish we would get more books of. Despite the fact the characters where just taken straight from the Dark Heresy rulebook it was still a really enjoyable read because Mitchell does casual and friendly banter so well. Zhou won a fanfic contest of some sort, if I remember right.
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:There's Engine of mork Thanks for that - it was pretty much exactly what I was looking for. Short stories work best for Orks since I don't imagine they really have enough in the way of character conflict or complex personal plots to take up a novel.
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 I can't tell if this Terminator has hosed up proportions or if it's so spot on with how it would look on someone that size that it just looks silly when rendered correctly. SRM posted:After suffering through 100 pages of Siege of Castellax, I don't think I could ever stomach the idea of reading something written by CL Werner again. Is it that lovely? I have it sitting on my book shelf waiting for me to get around to it, but you're not making me reach for it any faster.
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It looks off; think about how wide his shoulders would have to be for them to end up anywhere that made sense under the armor. Pretty cool looking though. edit: actually a second glance means it may be closer to right than I thought, if you realize the shoulderpads are all armor and look at the arms under them. 
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I don't think I've read anything Chaos post-Heresy that I enjoyed that wasn't Abnett. McNeill's Storm of Iron is pretty good, albeit in a bolterporny kind of way. Less characterization, more being  as gently caress.
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AndyElusive posted:
It's off; head's too big for how bulky terminator armor is supposed to be..
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:Oh, I knew he was a bad writer and I figured it was basically nepotism, but you'd think by now they'd be like 'well...you can write about...uh...the...Storm Lords, or something? And we'll let Aaron help you with the Salamanders'. It's weird because I think he's actually ADB's editor. It's amazing how lovely his writing is though. The Salamanders are one of the more interesting chapters being really one of the only 'good guys' in the game and they're completely wasted on Kyme. The short snippet from Helsreach about the Salamanders did more to characterise them than the four or five books Kyme's written on them so far.
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Nephilm posted:It's off; head's too big for how bulky terminator armor is supposed to be.. If this were accurately proportioned, the head would be the size of a speck of dirt on your screen.
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A more important question, is why does a Deathwing terminator seem to be in gold?
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Kegslayer posted:It's weird because I think he's actually ADB's editor. It's amazing how lovely his writing is though. The Salamanders are one of the more interesting chapters being really one of the only 'good guys' in the game and they're completely wasted on Kyme. The short snippet from Helsreach about the Salamanders did more to characterise them than the four or five books Kyme's written on them so far. What's weird about it? Writing well is not easy. It takes a lot of constant practice. If anything, the fact that he splits his time doing multiple jobs is a good explanation as to why he isn't as good at it.
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Being heavily exposed to decent writing and the process behind it for years, you figure some skill would've rubbed off on him by now.
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I failed out of community college because repeated blows to the head made it difficult for me to focus or remember things and I am 95 percent convinced I can produce better writing than Nick Kyme
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I failed out of community college because repeated blows to the head made it difficult for me to focus or remember things and I am 95 percent convinced I can produce better writing than Nick Kyme Eh. About the same level, really. Less dull though!
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yeah well i have an excuse, your move nick kyme
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Fried Chicken posted:What's weird about it? Writing well is not easy. It takes a lot of constant practice. If anything, the fact that he splits his time doing multiple jobs is a good explanation as to why he isn't as good at it. I can understand if he's not good at writing prose but his storylines and characters are dreadful. It's his job as an editor to fix stuff like that so I find it weird he can't edit his own material for poo poo.
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Maybe all he does is fix typos.
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Nephilm posted:Maybe all he does is fix typos. I've seen more than a few in BL books, so apparently he can't even do that.
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Oddly enough, I really liked his fantasy Honourkeeper book. Maybe the dwarf personality is so strong that the book writes itself.
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AndyElusive posted:Is it that lovely? I have it sitting on my book shelf waiting for me to get around to it, but you're not making me reach for it any faster.
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SRM posted:It's loving dire. I had to put it down a few times because, even for BL, it's aggressively stupid. It's full of Iron Warriors who don't know how Iron Warriors fight, then act surprised when they're told what they're supposed to do. Characters kill their own men then complain that they don't have enough men to fight. I regularly had to reread sentences to follow along with what was being said, because it was so badly written. The book's a disaster. It's the only BL novel I've never finished, and that says a lot considering that I read the Ultramarines omnibus and a lot of lovely old short stories. Wow, this pretty much explains it. CL Werner wrote Siege of Dreary Axe like a Skaven novel, with Skaven replaced by Iron Warriors. No wonder the book was so boring, Iron Warriors simply lack the charm of those little devils! 
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I know Nick Kyme is no Dan Abnett or ADB but I did find the Salamanders books enjoyable. Heck I'd say he's even decent compared to some of the other putrid poo poo I've read from BL.
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Libluini posted:Wow, this pretty much explains it. CL Werner wrote Siege of Dreary Axe like a Skaven novel, with Skaven replaced by Iron Warriors. No wonder the book was so boring, Iron Warriors simply lack the charm of those little devils!
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The Necromunda books also give more insight in regular live, although is is more specific to Hive City life. I think there are 3 omnibus' available that contain all the books. First and third one are Necromunda, and the second one is about Kal Jerico. There are also a two book series about rogue traders: Rogue Star and Star of Damocles, written by Andy Hoare. There are some mixed opinions about them, but I personally quite enjoyed them. Not even sure if they ever re-released these in ebook form so you might have to hunt them down in person. On the subject of hard to find books about rogue traders, Eye of Terror by Barrington J. Bayley is by far my favorites. Ever wondered what life is like inside the warped reality of the Eye of Terror, wonder no more. Creepy, freaky and just plain weird this book is amazing. Dan Abnett seems to write more from a human perspective in most of his books, as they are Imperial Guard centric, so most of his Gaunt's Ghost's novels feature civilian life in one way or another (although always in a combat theater or later on, occupied territories)
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:It looks off; think about how wide his shoulders would have to be for them to end up anywhere that made sense under the armor. This artist at DeviantArt designed power armor around the human form. 
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