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oxbrain posted:If only he'd had two guns. If only he'd had proper threat assessment training.
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If only those poor shooters had had more guns. Wait...
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Republicans posted:Yeah, he could have stopped the shooter and proven Wayne LaPierre right. Has that ever happened? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious how often a mass shooting has been stopped by a vigilante with a gun.
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TheBalor posted:Has that ever happened? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious how often a mass shooting has been stopped by a vigilante with a gun. No. There's some question about that mall shooter who might have seen a permit holder with his gun out right before he capped himself, but that's thin evidence. It's actually prompted some discussion among the more honest members of the community. A few folks are climbing down from the paladin sheepdog bullshit because it obviously has no basis in reality. It's simply not a scenario anyone has figured out how to deal with, let alone random permit holders.
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TheBalor posted:Has that ever happened? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious how often a mass shooting has been stopped by a vigilante with a gun. The seattle college guy was stopped by pepper spray (instead of a gun) last week iirc. Guns aren't needed.
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TheBalor posted:Has that ever happened? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious how often a mass shooting has been stopped by a vigilante with a gun. Well I went back and for with a dumbfuck who cited this argument: http://ccwvslaw.org/item/1332 But it's pretty loving stupid and the guy specifically chose to ignore the FBI standard for what constitutes a mass shooting of 4 victims and used 5 so he would reach the conclusion he wanted.
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BraveUlysses posted:Well I went back and for with a dumbfuck who cited this argument: That article uses some pretty nonstandard definitions, and the site as a whole seems to be a hodgepodge of gun rights propaganda, bitcoin advocacy, and dog-whistle racism (i.e. "Why Do Blacks Advocate Gun Control" with a conclusion that it's because Blacks are a. uneducated, and b. "trying to act like white liberals"; or "Short-Circuiting the Monkey Dance" where a stereotypically Black mugger waves his arms and beats his chest in a "genetically-programmed ritual".) What else can you say?
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Kaal posted:That article uses some pretty nonstandard definitions, and the site as a whole seems to be a hodgepodge of gun rights propaganda, bitcoin advocacy, and dog-whistle racism (i.e. "Why Do Blacks Advocate Gun Control" with a conclusion that it's because Blacks are a. uneducated, and b. "trying to act like white liberals"; or "Short-Circuiting the Monkey Dance" where a stereotypically Black mugger waves his arms and beats his chest in a "genetically-programmed ritual".) What else can you say? Yeah its a terrible website but to be fair to the dumbfuck he was using the original source material. It's still a piss poor analysis and yes that website is horrible.
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TheBalor posted:Has that ever happened? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely curious how often a mass shooting has been stopped by a vigilante with a gun. http://www.somethingawful.com/news/concealed-carry-renfest/1/ Although this is a comedy article, it is still one of the ways to describe this. I think there have been mass shootings interrupted by armed citizens, but I think in almost all of those cases, A) there was already victims and B) the armed citizen was an off-duty officer or someone with training. The idea that Joe Schmo, gun enthusiast with a concealed weapon is going to somehow see the shooter ready to shoot and quick draw and kill him before he can start shooting, seems to be a really unlikely fantasy.
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glowing-fish posted:http://www.somethingawful.com/news/concealed-carry-renfest/1/ Not really sure how (A) is relevant. If the data did show many instances of armed citizens stopping an in-progress shooting I know I'd be compelled that there's at least valid argument to be made.
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The best idea in a chaotic shooting situation: untrained people pulling out their guns to return fire.
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In the Giffords shooting, there was actually a CP holder who was aiming and ready to shoot, however, he realized he had no idea who was who and decided against any action. Thank god, because the guy he thought was a problem was really a good guy tackling the shooter.
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Jun 12, 2014 04:32
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Stanos posted:The best idea in a chaotic shooting situation: untrained people pulling out their guns to return fire. As clearly demonstrated by laser tag arenas and paintball parks nationwide.
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Jun 12, 2014 07:32
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Sort-of-political but Jean Enersen is retiring as news anchor of King5 after doing it for 42 years. She was the first female anchor in Seattle (and possibly first in the country for a permanent female news anchor). I've always liked her but I'm seeing some backlash with commentors saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out" type comments. Was she controversial in some way?
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seiferguy posted:Sort-of-political but Jean Enersen is retiring as news anchor of King5 after doing it for 42 years. She was the first female anchor in Seattle (and possibly first in the country for a permanent female news anchor). I've always liked her but I'm seeing some backlash with commentors saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out" type comments. Was she controversial in some way? Woman, not insanely and overtly conservative like Susan Hutchison.
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Jun 12, 2014 18:42
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Ladies and gentlemen, our new deputy mayor, the former president of the Downtown Seattle Association. Spoils system at its finest.
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seiferguy posted:Sort-of-political but Jean Enersen is retiring as news anchor of King5 after doing it for 42 years. She was the first female anchor in Seattle (and possibly first in the country for a permanent female news anchor). I've always liked her but I'm seeing some backlash with commentors saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out" type comments. Was she controversial in some way? Speaking of sudden retirements, Steve Scher announced over Facebook at ~ 11:30pm Friday that he's left his position at KUOW. I don't really blame him, that "IT'S A NEWS MAGAZINE" programming is total bullshit.
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Thanatosian posted:Ladies and gentlemen, our new deputy mayor, the former president of the Downtown Seattle Association. She was decent at her "job" and far less plutocratic than some people liked to paint her as. A decent choice for what has always been a patronage position.
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double-post for relevant news: O'Toole: Get More Cops to Live in Seattle, Improve Police Technology, and Create Accountability for Reform Resisters quote:Kathleen O'Toole, the presumptive next police chief of Seattle, didn't hit anything out of the park last night at a South Seattle public hearing—for example, she didn't declare that SPD's police unions are political enemies to be forced, rather than bargained with, into making much-needed reforms. For more reading, check out the links contained in the article about pro-repression union officers being appointed to top positions by Murray and the 'good' cops in charge of the Doritos at Hempfest being pushed out the door by said appointments.
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quote:Some 80% of current SPD officers live outside Seattle. You should have to live in the place you are empowered to ruin lives and kill people in. It would change the internal monologue of the actors immediately. (Not the same as, but related to, always-on wearable duty cameras.)
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Jun 12, 2014 23:11
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I've mentioned this in other places but I used to study at the starbucks next to the downtown police station and the cops that came in were literally always talking poo poo about Seattle. They have zero pride for the place they serve. It really made me depressed to overhear their conversations, so much so that I started actually going to a different coffee shop.
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Jun 12, 2014 23:41
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Anyone who is paid enough to live in Seattle but chooses instead to commute in is, in my opinion, too dumb to be trusted with any important decisions up to and including matters of life and death.
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Jun 12, 2014 23:42
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FRINGE posted:I have no current thoughts as to how to do this in a way that doesnt have drawbacks, but my thought is that this should be illegal. That would seem hard in places like San Francisco, at least minus rent control.
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Jun 12, 2014 23:42
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It's coded into a pig's mentality to want to live in the suburbs. They'd rather barbecue in Covington and commute for two hours every day.
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SedanChair posted:They'd rather barbecue in Covington and commute for two hours every day. Well of course, taxpayers pay for their commute if they get to take the cruiser home.
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Jun 13, 2014 01:15
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Maybe cops don't want their families attacked by associates of the criminals they arrest. Just a thought.
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Animal-Mother posted:Maybe cops don't want their families attacked by associates of the criminals they arrest. Just a thought. Real concerned about all this crime and stuff. Going to move to Kent.
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Animal-Mother posted:Maybe cops don't want their families attacked by associates of the criminals they arrest. Just a thought. If you care enough to hurt a LEO's family, you care enough to drive an extra hour-plus outside of the city limits. This IS a thing in jury duty- people who live in the neighborhood of someone involved in the case ask out for that reason- but people in jury duty are not members of the police force, by and large.
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Animal-Mother posted:Maybe cops don't want their families attacked by associates of the criminals they arrest. Just a thought. Real life is a Steven Seagal movie, that happens.
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SedanChair posted:Real life is a Steven Seagal movie, that happens. Even if it never happens, a cop is still going to want their family nowhere near the criminals they're interacting with on a regular basis.
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Jun 13, 2014 02:47
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Who cares what they want if it's driven by fears with no basis in reality? They need to be a part of the community. They can always live in Ballard or Cap Hill.
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Animal-Mother posted:Even if it never happens, a cop is still going to want their family nowhere near the criminals they're interacting with on a regular basis.
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Jun 13, 2014 06:23
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SedanChair posted:Who cares what they want
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Animal-Mother posted:They do. They have concerns about the well being of their families. Cops are human beings, believe it or not. I live in a suburb of Seattle. Not a huge town, but it has a decent population. My street has 4 police officers living on it, 1 of which is retired, all worked/working at the local station(which is only 3 blocks away). As long as I have lived here, no one has attacked these officers. Why would Seattle be any different? What's so scary about the citizens of Seattle where officers have to fear for their families? (Maybe they fear retribution for constantly killing defenseless people, which maybe they could stop? But to each their own I suppose)
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Animal-Mother posted:They do. They have concerns about the well being of their families. Cops are human beings, believe it or not. Is Seattle that much more dangerous than Boston where this is apparently already a requirement (hence the person who used to work there wanting to import the idea here.)
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reignonyourparade posted:Is Seattle that much more dangerous than Boston where this is apparently already a requirement (hence the person who used to work there wanting to import the idea here.)
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Seattle's property crime is also much more distributed than Boston's violent crime. In Boston, you pretty much just have to avoid certain neighborhoods. And as counter to that, to my knowledge, Seattle doesn't have bad neighborhoods in the same way Boston does. Seems like kind of a wash unless you're living in the cheapest parts of either.
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Yet another warning by the Wash. State Supreme Court that our congress is in contempt for not raising enough funds for education. Are they ever going to be jailed for it? They'd figure out a solution pretty quick if so. Maybe they could *gasp* create an income tax! (Yeah right  )
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Animal-Mother posted:They do. They have concerns about the well being of their families. Cops are human beings, believe it or not. Yeah and white supremacists have concerns about being their jobs being taken, but their concerns HAVE NO BASIS IN REALITY. So who cares. Get it?
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