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Mystique's shapeshifting is purely cosmetic, but I suppose Trask Industries could have developed it further, especially if they later got their hands on Rogue.
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CelticPredator posted:Actually, they are. Mystique can make 'claws' but they're no stronger than her own body. They may look like adamantium but they aren't actually adamantium. Which gets lampshaded immediately afterwards as Wolverine chops them off.
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Jun 12, 2014 16:18
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You see, that Magneto in the X-Men arcade game mysteriously not using any of his powers isn't really Magneto. Alas, that was Mystique.
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Jun 12, 2014 17:11
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I mean in games magneto shoots purple beams of magnetism so it's just all flashy magic theater.
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Jun 12, 2014 17:42
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WarLocke posted:Mystique can make 'claws' but they're no stronger than her own body. They may look like adamantium but they aren't actually adamantium. Which gets lampshaded immediately afterwards as Wolverine chops them off. So when Wolverine cuts those off and then she turns back into Mystique, shouldn't she be missing a body part or something?
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Jun 12, 2014 19:58
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Just in desperate need of some press-on nails until hers grow back. And a manicure.
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Jun 12, 2014 20:12
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WarLocke posted:Mystique can make 'claws' but they're no stronger than her own body. They may look like adamantium but they aren't actually adamantium. Which gets lampshaded immediately afterwards as Wolverine chops them off. She can make his bone claws though, probably improve on them actually.
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Jun 12, 2014 20:20
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Oh, I just remembered one of my favourite bits from this film. Where Beast asks Wolverine if he makes it in the future, and the answer is just "no".
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Jun 12, 2014 20:46
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Jay Dub posted:So when Wolverine cuts those off and then she turns back into Mystique, shouldn't she be missing a body part or something? I imagine they were actually really long cuticles or something (you know, like fingernails are made of). In the comics at least Mystique has been shown to be able to just ignore flesh wounds and the like.
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Jun 12, 2014 21:50
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I just imagine she's like a ball of clay, a bit of her got cut off but it was non-specific and she can pull mass from anywhere on her body to replace it.
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Jun 12, 2014 22:53
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And then eat a bunch of hamburgers to gain it back.
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Jun 12, 2014 22:58
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CelticPredator posted:Actually, they are. They aren't in at least one continuity. When they put power suppressors on him in House of M or Civil War or something, his claws still work, and he cites that a lot of people mistake his claws for powers.
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Jun 12, 2014 23:17
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He has natural bone claws stored in his forearms that are part of his mutation. The thing is though that his bones aren't just coated in adamantium, they're "molecularly bonded," which means they are for all intents and purposes artificial. So when he loses his powers Logan still has the metal claws, even if logically his natural claws would disappear. Also the last time he lost his powers his adamantium slowly poisoned his body, he had trouble moving from the weight and he couldn't stop the bleeding from his knuckles when he popped his claws.
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Supreme Allah posted:I just imagine she's like a ball of clay, a bit of her got cut off but it was non-specific and she can pull mass from anywhere on her body to replace it. Yeah, it really depends on how much you want to sperg about a power like that, but hypothetically speaking there's no particular reason why, say, her internal organs have to be in the same place as everyone else - Mystique is obviously not just a ball of goo like Odo from Deep Space 9 but she could probably rearrange things a little bit internally to make it harder for her to be outright killed. I like to use the scene after that Wolverine fight as evidence for this, where he's clearly stabbed her through the heart but she transforms into a security guard and manages to escape anyway. Harime Nui posted:He has natural bone claws stored in his forearms that are part of his mutation. The thing is though that his bones aren't just coated in adamantium, they're "molecularly bonded," which means they are for all intents and purposes artificial. So when he loses his powers Logan still has the metal claws, even if logically his natural claws would disappear. Again, this depends on what 'loses his powers' means, in context. His 'natural' bone claws would be additions/modifications to the normal human skeletal system, presumably with additional tendons and junk to actually move them in and out. I could see a comic-book case for having his healing ability 'shut off' without actually going in and altering large parts of his forearm scaffolding. Hell a mutation like that would probably have given Logan Popeye arms to begin with, to fit all that extra crap in there.
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WarLocke posted:Yeah, it really depends on how much you want to sperg about a power like that, but hypothetically speaking there's no particular reason why, say, her internal organs have to be in the same place as everyone else - Mystique is obviously not just a ball of goo like Odo from Deep Space 9 but she could probably rearrange things a little bit internally to make it harder for her to be outright killed. That's the dumbest explanation for Mystique's powers that I've ever heard. She clearly just shapeshifted the damaged heart into a healthy heart.
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Irish Joe posted:That's the dumbest explanation for Mystique's powers that I've ever heard. She clearly just shapeshifted the damaged heart into a healthy heart. She shapeshifts, she doesn't heal fast. After Magneto shoots her in the leg in DofP why doesn't she just shapeshift her leg into a healed one? 
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Jun 13, 2014 02:55
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Irish Joe posted:That's the dumbest explanation for Mystique's powers that I've ever heard. She clearly just shapeshifted the damaged heart into a healthy heart. This is how she managed to forgive Charles.
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Jun 13, 2014 02:55
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WarLocke posted:She shapeshifts, she doesn't heal fast. After Magneto shoots her in the leg in DofP why doesn't she just shapeshift her leg into a healed one? She won't learn that trick until the late 90s 
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Jun 13, 2014 12:52
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When she was impersonating Trask was she really shuffling about on her knees?
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Jun 13, 2014 12:59
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Maybe all the spare parts just stick out somewhere but invisibly? Actually, that's a point, can she just turn invisible?
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Jun 13, 2014 13:35
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You guys are thinking way too hard about mystique's powers. In one of the xmen cartoons she can split into multiple separate things like birds and reform, so...
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Mr. Flunchy posted:When she was impersonating Trask was she really shuffling about on her knees? She just got really dense on the inside, less hollow body cavity or something. I assume.
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Electromax posted:She just got really dense on the inside, less hollow body cavity or something. I assume. That's also how she impersonates big guys that are much larger than her, she goes hollow like a chocolate easter bunny! (I assume)
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Jun 14, 2014 00:45
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There are like three mutants in this film alone with the power to bend space and time. Mystique being able to make her body bigger or smaller is pretty prosaic compared to that.
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Jun 14, 2014 01:03
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If Raven can perfectly replicate a mutants dna, then logically (what?) she should be able to use their powers. If she becomes perfect clones of the person that is. Or maybe it's just cosmetic, and her dna and poo poo stays the same.
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Jun 14, 2014 18:01
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Even if she could, it is a long-running theme that most mutants need a lot of training to effectively use their own powers. They teach more than just math at the School for Gifted Youngsters -- like how to not explode yourself and everyone around you every time you sneeze.
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Supreme Allah posted:Even if she could, it is a long-running theme that most mutants need a lot of training to effectively use their own powers. They teach more than just math at the School for Gifted Youngsters -- like how to not explode yourself and everyone around you every time you sneeze. Yeah. Just because you are born with legs and arms doesn't mean you can instantly rock out on a pummel horse. Good point, I'm still confused about Mystique's powers. I always just thought they were cosmetic. Nothing more.
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Jun 14, 2014 18:23
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So do the comics say how most of the characters die in the future? Say, how does Beast die?
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Vegetable posted:So do the comics say how most of the characters die in the future? Say, how does Beast die? Beast is dragged from his home and murdered by a mob in 2015. According to this movie promo site. http://www.25moments.com/#!/moments/2015
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Jun 14, 2014 20:48
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Tommy 2.0 posted:Good point, I'm still confused about Mystique's powers. I always just thought they were cosmetic. Nothing more. But she cannot turn into Sunspot and set herself on fire. She can't turn into Kitty and phase through things. She can't turn into Xavier to read minds. She can't even turn into Toad and spit mucus because her own body doesn't can't produce that specific substance. If she had that level of control over her own biological nature she'd be...well, she'd be Apocalypse. And she's not; the way that this movie utilizes her powers to construct the new Sentinels requires a lot of hand-wringing -- if not outright saying "gently caress, just go with it" -- to work, is not the sort of thing she'd ever be used for in the comics.
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Mystique can copy peoples' bodies - but Magneto's powers, for example, are psychological. In First Class he's all tossing knives and bullets, and literally erects a submarine. It's all penetration, exacerbated by his desire for brutal revenge. Mystique can copy his appearance, but she doesn't have the same psychology. They underline this with the Romijn-Stamos cameo in First Class: Mystique can alter her body to be older, but she is still (psychologically) young. That's the whole point of her character: Prof. X pushes her to 'pass' as a woman, while Magneto encourages her to get all in-your-face and genderfuck. In X-men United, she finally ends up stuck in normal body (whether she wanted it or not) and that's why Magneto rejects her. In this film, the Future-Sentinels are pure, shifting appearance with nothing 'underneath' but the logic of Capital: Skynet. It's very literally the appropriation of Magneto's radical politics by the capitalist system. The Future-Sentinels can also control magnetism and shoot fire beams and whatever because they exaggerate the mutants' psychologies as well - to the point of madness. One adopting Magneto's power would unleash pure, uninhibited vengeance.
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Surprisingly this thread went thirty-three pages before SMG started making GBS threads his gimmick all over it. 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Mystique can copy peoples' bodies - but Magneto's powers, for example, are psychological. In First Class he's all tossing knives and bullets, and literally erects a submarine. It's all penetration, exacerbated by his desire for brutal revenge. Mystique can copy his appearance, but she doesn't have the same psychology. Lmao.
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Mutation is, in my opinion, a metaphor for minority identity.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Mutation is, in my opinion, a metaphor for minority identity. Whoa there, buddy. You are clearly reading way too much into this.
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Jun 15, 2014 03:01
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When Mystique refers to her human name as a 'slave name', it is a reference to slavery.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:36
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Oh hey, literally the *only* person I have on ignore on this entire website. Your Jerk Detected sure is fun.
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Jun 15, 2014 05:04
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DeathChicken posted:Oh hey, literally the *only* person I have on ignore on this entire website. Your Jerk Detected sure is fun.
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Jun 15, 2014 05:22
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Mystique isn't actually Mystique, she's Kunta Kinte morphed into Levar Burton morphed into Mystique, a transition representing the black slave's ascent from complete oppression into an enlightened era where they possess the same rights as a mutant woman. Speaking of, what's the difference - if any - between Mystique's power and that of someone like Morph?
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I'm so impressed by you putting SMG on ignore, please keep bragging about it.
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